Maven89
Smash Master
...is it really?
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What exactly is odd about it?This is an odd interaction...
When exactly did Sang say that? Also do you have any idea who this other person is?You can't be shocked that you are up for a lynch considering Sparky, Zalak, Myself, Sang, and I think one other person have said you are a possibility for a lynch.
Zalak : You really gotta work on your skimming dude.I mostly wanna look at Zalak, Maven, and Koopa more. Unfortunately, since Generic is not here at the moment, we can't really discuss him too much. Zalak is just so confusing to me and I really want to figure it out. Maven seems way too... I think "coast-y" is how J put it, which I agree with. He comes in with some inputs and then just leaves without making anything of note.
I didn't see how Zalak could find value in that discussion at all, and wondered if he was just bringing it up in the hopes someone else would run with it. I didn't see any other reason someone would even bring up something like that. That's my point there. I didn't catch Zalak's first post where he intially said he wasn't advocating it, but the post I just quoted is not based on him advocating it but just on him bringing it up. IHonestly Zalak I find even talking about possibly...not talking about the assassins to be one of the scummier suggestions I've seen put into the beginning of a game. Like there's no way to play mafia without discussion
Just gonna point out this is J's very first post, and he comes in telling us to stop talking about the only thing that's brought up discussion while at the same time complaining that other people aren't doing that.On that note and considering the only thing being drawn is "How to play this game", we really need to move away from talking about that and focus on what other players are saying and doing. Focusing on the set-up when it's pretty clear and easy to get from the OP/Set-up that we are supposed to do.
Almost everything regarding set-up or "what do" posts have been entirely null so far sans the recent stuff with Zalak. People need to stop hiding and come out and play already.
On a re-read, I actually like this post right here. I suggest people re-read it because it makes quite a bit of sense.I don't mind being questioned. I have nothing to hide. The "lie" you caught me in is nothing more but a twisting of words on your part. "Investigation into/the death of" I've played a bit of mafia on this site, and a lot on other sites. It's quite obvious Spak would not kill anyone, off one post from a null slot, on page 5. Language like that, however, serves to apply pressure, without any actual danger of a hasty execution. I made cases against them instead of asking questions for two reasons: first, they're going to respond to the case I made. No reason to question, when I made the post partially to demonstrate what I meant about making cases directly at the king (that being the second reason). I wasn't looking for any reads specifically, other than gauging their respective reactions, and spurring discussion. And, hey, now we're discussing things! For better or for worse, my slot is no longer null, and neither is yours.
This was a bad postI'm actually fine with executing Generic right now
This is a good post, and you're right. Based on this, if Generic was scum it'd make Zalak way more likely to be scum.I find that unlikely. It was pretty clear - to me anyway - that in the discussion between Zalak and yourself, you had the better arguments. Looking at the amount of "likes" you've received for some of your posts and the general support you got I'm sure I'm not the only one who felt that way. You're basically saying that scum!Generic would use that scenario to lynch you when Zalak would be the easy target to go for. I'm not really seeing that as a likely thing.
I feel morbid, but literally any of 6 slots in my mind can go and I wouldn't really feel too upset.
Cause you said you'd be fine with 6 people dying but then didn't tell anyone who they were and despite talking about Generic you didn't seem to really care about it.Maven89 : I'll answer your question if you can give me a valid reason to rank them for a D1 read's list. The way I look at it, most of D1 is a crapshoot unless something inherently obvious happens. People know that I dislike Generic especially since I am the one who began the push on his slot and brought attention to his play.
Why would you include me on that list, but not Koopa when you just mentioned how little he'd posted?Finally Koopa comes in and attributes nothing new to the thread content and I'm just sitting here wondering what his goal is. The most notable thing I can recall is him just syaing that "newbies can change" and that is true, but I don't get why he said that.
I'm not going to rank my reads, but these are where people stand currently. If I was King for toDay, I would lynch one of Generic/Orbo/Maven (order doesn't matter). Generic because he has all the signs of a good D1 lynch with a great opportunity to flip scum. The other two because I do not like the vibes they are sending off currently.
I honestly don't believe this at all and feel like Zalak made it up on the spotI don't wanna get too into this, because I now understand the issue with discussing who the kingmaker might be, but
1. That is the reason. I figured Koopa was new, so he wouldn't really know the capabilities of the other players very well. On top of that, he wouldn't have any reference point for how the other players usually act, so they might be tougher to read for him.
2. The logic I used was more based around the question who would pick Spak than who would Koopa pick. Upon thinking about it more, there are plenty of players who would want to pick you, either because they think you'd make a good D1 king, or because they wanna cover their tracks as the kingmaker.
3. Okay, I just wanna begin by saying, I don't think that actually makes you a worse player than me or anything. You were super busy during that game, and didn't have time to focus on it. If you were a worse scum player though, that could be a good reason to pick you, because you'd be easier to read. It wouldn't make you a bad king at all.
this whole koopa thing was a big mistake of mine though, and i'm not trying to say it was good play at all. I'm just explaining my thought process.
What?okay so I realize I never actually responded to this. I get where you're coming from, but I kind of disagree. first of all, if you look at it, he went after both of us, he just picked maven as the #1 most scummy. his reasoning for picking Maven was cuz Maven was supposedly strawmaning it up, which is a pretty valid interpretation of that exchange. i'm not saying he was intentionally strawmaning, and i'm not saying he wasn't, but it would be pretty easy for a third party to come in and say, "man, I don't like Zalak, but LOOK! is this a STRAWMAN FROM MAVEN?" and it wouldn't look that bad for the third party, because honest or not, maven made a pretty big misinterpretation of my idea. clearly, it didn't work out too well for Generic, but i could understand the thinking behind such a play. also, people may have agreed with Maven about how bad and POTENTIALLY SCUMMY my idea is, but no one was jumping in and saying "alright, Zalak is probably scum because of this".
It wasn't really much of an argument between Maven and me though. I feel like everyone is trying to turn this into a Zalak vs Maven fight fest. I love fighting, but that's not something I wanna be a part of right now. Also, I'm with Maven in the sense that Generic's actions don't seem to be guided by truth. Like, ever since his post about J and I fighting, he's been throwing out some posts that I really do not see the logic behind.
#HBC | J
what is that you like about Spak??
alright, well if you'll go back and look, he pretty clearly tried to put both Maven and me in hot water, based on, in my opinion, false reasoning.
This meaning generic operating with false logic. If Generic is intentionally not playing truthfully, and trying to twist things, I would guess that Generic tried to put Maven in hot water because he thought it would be easy. Probably because everyone was posting opinions about the interaction between me and mav at the time, and it was kinda the hot topic.
LIKE, IF HE WAS INTENTIONALLY BEING SNEAKY V.S HIM NOT PAYING ATTENTION
wrong thread LMFAOI'll start where I left off. I'm missing about the last two pages which I'll get to next but I just wanted to get the quotes I had out.
I didn't see how Zalak could find value in that discussion at all, and wondered if he was just bringing it up in the hopes someone else would run with it. I didn't see any other reason someone would even bring up something like that. That's my point there. I didn't catch Zalak's first post where he intially said he wasn't advocating it, but the post I just quoted is not based on him advocating it but just on him bringing it up. I
Just gonna point out this is J's very first post, and he comes in telling us to stop talking about the only thing that's brought up discussion while at the same time complaining that other people aren't doing that.
On a re-read, I actually like this post right here. I suggest people re-read it because it makes quite a bit of sense.
This was a bad post
This is a good post, and you're right. Based on this, if Generic was scum it'd make Zalak way more likely to be scum.
Cause you said you'd be fine with 6 people dying but then didn't tell anyone who they were and despite talking about Generic you didn't seem to really care about it.
Why would you include me on that list, but not Koopa when you just mentioned how little he'd posted?
I honestly don't believe this at all and feel like Zalak made it up on the spot
What?
But now you're saying you understand what he was going on, and that it was based on truth?
Yeah I still find it odd you'd bring up my slot as the inactivity lynch when I actually have done stuff, I started out with overall discussion about how we should use the king and brought up Zalak's point. Clearly this is very little but I'm very curious why you would want me dead over Orbo/Koopa who have clearly done less?That's who I was mentioning. I guess that makes sense. Otherwise, you seem to have either null or scum-reads, could I get any town-leans so far?
Maven89 : I've explained my dislike of you has been mainly centralized around your coasty play and you've done almost nothing this game besides well....being here? A lot of other people have made mention of this, but what makes you question the dislike now? In fact, you are probably everyone's 2nd pick for toDay's lynch.
Do you find it scummy?It's odd because you haven't really responded/nor said anything till I brought up the possibility of you being a compromise lynch which makes me think that you are only posting for self-survival. It's something that makes me scratch my head because why now/why just the hypothetical instead of literally tons of people listing you as #2, but as soon as someone brings you to possibility as a #1 maybe, you come in questioning.
Okay, but there's a problem I have with this. J, you listed Sang as someone who had listed Maven as a potential lynch for today, when in reality, she only said she'd like to investigate Maven. Those two are not the same thing. Additionally, I asked you if you had any idea who this mystery person was, but you ignored that part of my question completely. I'm beginning to think you were just grasping at straws in order to stretch the list of people who wanted Maven dead as much as possible. I don't like untruthful play like this, and I feel it is inherently scummy. Maybe you just don't think there's a significant difference between wanting to investigate someone and wanting them dead...Well yes, there is a game reason because skimming is something that you want to avoid and most of your questions can usually be answered by reading the thread more in-depth. This conversation would not have been a thing if you just slowed down in mafia games.
It wasn't a snide comment, but more of a suggestion because I would like to help you grow as a player even though this isn't a newbie game. It's quite literally my job as the mod to create an open environment with learning experiences for all for the community to remain strong and healthy.
That were aspects of what Generic said that I kind of agreed with, but for the most part, I felt like Generic was way off.But now you're saying you understand what he was going on, and that it was based on truth?
I've played scum Zalak before, and he came off as the most honest, confused townie I've seen. And he was caught in the end because we didn't look at the gut but just at what he was actually saying and posting and talking about. I believe that should be done here.What?
idk what to tell ya man. I jumped to conclusions. I get that you're worried, but what motivation would I have to do and say all that as scum??? what would throwing Koopa out there as a town read do for an assassin Zalak??? I guess I probably can't change the way you feel about that post, but it was a legit major goof up by me.I honestly don't believe this at all and feel like Zalak made it up on the spot
oh yeah, also sorry I kinda overreacted to this post tbh. I still stand by my reasons as to why it feels scummy to meI must be missing something because I don't know where I upset you, but I apologize.
I'm extremely lost.
Alright.
Oh, look. Townie things.
Tako logic: I'm confirmed town, listen to me. Here we have mod confirmed town, saying what...?
This is bad and gives us more information. It's a guessing game of "am I alive because doc fear or because rake is town?" Because Rake is town.
Yeah.
Eyup
Oh look confirmed town doing things
mhm.
Now, I'm going to tackle that really big push on Rake in its own post. If anything involving Rake and his scumminess happened outside of that, bring it to my attention.
I have time to make a small post here, but not to read it. I'm prioritizing your game over this one because I'm up-to-date. Sorry.However, I will be completely honest that I am a bit miffed that Generic is posting in my game yet refuses to post in here. He said he could not respond until Sunday, but he can continually post in other threads?
I understand being busy and also that game is farther along than this one, but to say you can't even make a small post is just making me tap my foot in a rapid manner.
You include Sang as evidence for why Maven shouldn't be at all surprised that he is up for a lynch. Maven has not been best friends with Sang for 8-9 years, and what matters is whether or not Maven should have registered that as meaning he was on her lynch line.You can't be shocked that you are up for a lynch considering Sparky, Zalak, Myself, Sang, and I think one other person have said you are a possibility for a lynch.
This is an odd interaction...
I'm not saying I'm 100% sold on J being scum, but I want to say this is suspiciously similar to the way you acted towards me last game.I'm not grasping at straws and what you saw wasn't scummy and just...well you.
There's a bit of a different implication there though. Generally, when someone says they'd like to look at someone, that means they're unsure of them. However, when someone lists someone as a possible lynch, that usually means they're straight up ready to go ahead with that lynch if it's convenient. I dunno about Maven, but I get two completely different meanings from the two statements.You are way too excitable when if you read closely, I said those named had Maven as a possibility. This includes Sang on wanting to investigate Maven since she clearly stated his name above others and made a point to say that she would like to look at him.
So was this an error of yours, or is it just Maven and I failing to interpret Sang's post correctly? I kinda feel like you're giving me mixed messages.Not every word-slip is a "Phoenix Wright" moment and is actually just human error. That's what happens in life.
I'm probably making your actions seem a lot harsher than they were, but it seemed to me like a lot of your play regarding me in that game revolved around convincing the town I had no idea what I was doing. That on top of sneakily bending truths, and later into the game, directly opposing my accusations, but it just seems similar. Sorry, I'm not trying to say you're a bad person, or that you were being mean, I'm just trying to say they way you're acting now reminds me of the way you acted in the last game.I am not dissing you at all as a person, that's a form of bullying and I do not stand for that so stop saying I do such things because this is the second game in a row you try and tarnish my character. I did not beat you last game through "belittling you" and "taking away your voice". That is just incorrect and I am not making this a Gheb Mini 2.0 and nipping this here.
SpakIs it really gonna come down to this? Let's at least hear some ideas where Generic's flip is gonna lead us. I think the people who just want to execute him for whatever reason owe us that much.
I wish you the best of luck on your midterms.Hey guys, I'm really sorry to say this, but I'm going to try to replace out of both games I'm in.
At the time I thought I could handle two games, but college has definitely proven that because you're free for one day does not mean you'll be free the next. I can't really handle one at the moment because of midterms.