Radical's Radical Kingmaker { ASSASSINS WIN SOME RADICAL TIMES }

[RadicalRat]

I might have found a Koopa replacement.

SlickWylde post here if you accept.

 

[SlickWylde]

Sure, I'm down for a game!

 

[RadicalRat]

Sure, I'm down for a game!

Nice! I'll extend the deadline to Sunday to accomodate the change.

 

[Spak]

Is he replacing Koops or Generic?

 

[#HBC | J]

More than likely Koops since Generic hasn't requested a replacement fully yet.

Anyways, time to respond to some things.

 

[RadicalRat]

Slick is replacing Koops.

 

[#HBC | J]

#HBC | J I'm in a rush right now, so just a quick post, but about my Zalak read:I'm not scum reading him due to meta, but I'm not town reading him due to meta. I 100% see how he comes off as honest and new, asking questions all the time, and seems pretty genuine. But based on Meta I know he can do that as scum. So there's no town points for him just for seeming confused. Has he done anything to be pro-town?

But more to the point, you say you don't see the mal-intent. But what has Zalak done this game but attempt to avoid the execute and fan the flames? There's no voting, there's no bandwagons or momentum to build. The only thing a scum could do in this scenario is try to avoid being executed himself while trying to make everyone else look bad in the hopes they're executed.

This is all that Zalak has done the entire game. Is there a bandwagon or push he hasn't supported? Does any of his reasons for supporting them make sense? Is it consistent? Is he really trying to scum hunt, or is he just hoping to defend himself from his execute (he already told us he was appealing to spak) and trying to push everyone else down the toiler?

Reading this post, I am actually beginning to see where you and Gheb are coming from. I may be giving Zalak a bit more of leeway then I do any other player because of the fact that his play, to my opinion *not meaning to be offensive*, is incredibly anti-town. He makes a big deal out of the smallest thread and clogs the thread with not very much in-depth analysis, but more wild tangents.

Zalak has not really been doing much in terms of being "pro-town" or scum-hunting. You and Gheb put it eloquently by saying that he is just fanning the flames of other situations especially with his most recent one with me where he tries to force that my "wording" is damning in that sense.

I used to be his strongest town-read (besides his Koops town-read cuz lol) and now I'm a scum-read out of nearly nowhere after a conversation between you and I where it was mainly just a questioning of motives behind why I asked my question and why I was concerned with your alertness all of a sudden.

However, to flip the coin, Zalak is a very self-preservation player where he does just move along from things haphazardly and to a very vicious manner. I would say Zalak has moved down from a town-lean to an actual null read and someone that I would gain information from being lynched. I would even be so inclined to say that a Zalak execution would be the most beneficial lynch toDay and the fact that my strongest town-leans (although my mind is telling me to be wary) Sang and Gheb both want Zalak dead for toDay. Combined with you who is a perplexing slot because you are starting to look better in my eyes due to your responses to me, I feel that there is just something missing here.

Zalak looks like a 50/50 slot where I can see the town flip coming from him, but I could also see the scum-flip from him because although his play does not mirror our last game together it does have some concerns that mirror my initial pegging of him early. I'm just not as confident this time around because it could just be Zalak.

Consider myself backing the Zalak execution push from you 3 toDay and would actually prefer it as the lynch for toDay from Spak especially over inactive Generic and Slick will be posting now more than likely so we can get a read.

However, if Orbo does not come in and wow me shortly, he can be lynched as well.

 

[#HBC | J]

That's my initial concern regarding lynching Zalak.

This could just be Zalak being Zalak. I know this is a terrible mindset to have, but it is a valid concern I am having because it frightens me from lynching him so early on in the game on D1, but if we did as such, it would help us more in the long run than it hurting us with leaving such a questionable, metaphorical time bomb in the game where it could kick us in the rear later.

I would also say this, I am beginning to worry about Sparky. Although I initially had good vibes regarding him, I am beginning to question if he is too passive especially as the King. I mainly say this because I dislike how Zalak has been almost pandering to Sparky at certain chances of the game whereas originally I thought it was just flavor stuff, but Zalak has been just appealing to Spak.

Sparky just needs....to do more. Especially as the King. I do not know how to word what I am meaning to say, but I will say that Sparky has gone onto my "List of Concerns" for now.

 

[SlickWylde]

Greetings.

SlickWylde.exe has been initiated, and I have chosen my next vessel host, which was Koopa.

While I'm not the best at skimming, I did my best to look over the last 10 pages.

There is one name that pops up when I think of the word scummy.

That name... is Zalak .

He has backpedaled multiple times, and changed stances quite easily. I don't like his posting. Not. One. Bit.

A playstyle I've noticed from him is essentially this:
Accuse someone really loudly, make an all caps post saying "WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK??" (To try and look like he's contributing) and then sharing some kind of meta theory of why someone is scummy. He also tends to post message after message after message in a row, which strikes me as a desperate ploy to control the thought process of the thread.

I will keep reading and give my thoughts on others in an hour or so.

 

[#HBC | J]

So far we have nearly everyone agreeing on Zalak being a good lynch candidate for toDay. (Sang/Gheb/Maven/Myself/Slick/Orbo(?)/Sparky) The only person who hasn't said they are okay with Zalak going is Generic is M.I.A.

Well this made a turn.

 

[Orboknown]

Winding down from the railhead bull****e ive been at all week. Ill try to get to this tonight but i might push it back till tomorrow morning (four day weekend wahoo

 

[Zalak]

let's put the pitchforks DOWN, mates.

#HBC | J I'm in a rush right now, so just a quick post, but about my Zalak read:I'm not scum reading him due to meta, but I'm not town reading him due to meta. I 100% see how he comes off as honest and new, asking questions all the time, and seems pretty genuine. But based on Meta I know he can do that as scum. So there's no town points for him just for seeming confused. Has he done anything to be pro-town?

I think you guys are exaggerating how nooby and confused I am. I had the big mess up with Koopa, but I haven't just been aimlessly asking questions. I'm asking a lot of people a lot of questions because it's still early game, and I haven't decided who scum is yet.

But more to the point, you say you don't see the mal-intent. But what has Zalak done this game but attempt to avoid the execute and fan the flames? There's no voting, there's no bandwagons or momentum to build. The only thing a scum could do in this scenario is try to avoid being executed himself while trying to make everyone else look bad in the hopes they're executed.

this has not been a very fruitful day investigation-wise, but as it stands, my lynch list would go

#1 Generic
#2 Orbo
#3 Maven (Might actually switch Maven and Orbo. Maven gives me worse vibes, but I don't feel I can fully justify them, HOWEVER Orbo's spot is mostly based on inactivity, and the fact that I think his lynch might give us more info.)

my strongest Town read is J. This might be some kind of secret ninja trick of his, but he gives me an incredibly different vibe than he did in Gheb's mini, in which I became immediately suspicious of him. I haven't seen him doing anything anti-town so far in this game.

Sang gives me good vibes, and has been posting good content, so town lean.

Gheb is still null to me, and I feel like people are kind of giving him an easy ride.

What do you mean no voting? I HAVE IN FACT VOTED. I've also been asking people questions, particularly the less active players.

Also, I wasn't even particularly afraid of being lynched until just now, when everyone suddenly turned on me. I kept defending myself not because I was afraid of getting lynched, but because it's the townie thing to do. If someone is suspicious of yoy, and they're not confirmed scum, you defend yourself honestly to clear things up. That's the mindset I had. (I also figured if I avoided questions, people would start to scum read me. There's no reason for me to not defend myself is what I'm saying.)

This is all that Zalak has done the entire game. Is there a bandwagon or push he hasn't supported? Does any of his reasons for supporting them make sense? Is it consistent? Is he really trying to scum hunt, or is he just hoping to defend himself from his execute (he already told us he was appealing to spak) and trying to push everyone else down the toiler?

The only BANDWAGON I recall supporting is Generic's. YES Do any of them not make sense? If you have an example of a reason that didn't make sense, I'd love to try clearing things up. SAME WITH INCONSISTENCIES. I'd really appreciate it if you could be more specific, cuz idk how to defend myself from a vague accusation like that.

The whole appealing to Spak thing was from when I was being accused of the same thing over and over, by different people, and wanted to make it clear why I wasn't responding to them individually. I did NOT shut down any new accusations against me, and whenever anyone had a question or me, I answered.

I'm being critical of people because I don't want to let anything slip by me. Maybe I should filter a little more than I have been, but it's not like I'm pushing for a lynch on everyone.

I used to be his strongest town-read (besides his Koops town-read cuz lol) and now I'm a scum-read out of nearly nowhere after a conversation between you and I where it was mainly just a questioning of motives behind why I asked my question and why I was concerned with your alertness all of a sudden.

I DID NOT SAY YOU WERE A SCUM READ. I just said I had my eye on you.

However, to flip the coin, Zalak is a very self-preservation player where he does just move along from things haphazardly and to a very vicious manner.

I was pretty darn focused on lynching my enemies in that last game, also protecting my mafia buddies.

Reading this post, I am actually beginning to see where you and Gheb are coming from. I may be giving Zalak a bit more of leeway then I do any other player because of the fact that his play, to my opinion *not meaning to be offensive*, is incredibly anti-town. He makes a big deal out of the smallest thread and clogs the thread with not very much in-depth analysis, but more wild tangents.

but without me, where would we be?? moving at 1mph :/

ALSO THAT'S NOT EVEN TRUE. Is your only example of a wild tangent my accusation against you? Man, you've been playing this game for over 5 years. I HAVE to be critical of you, or you'll be able to get the slip on me when you play scum. It wasn't even a wild tangent. It was a couple posts, and my responses to your counter-points made sense.

He has backpedaled multiple times, and changed stances quite easily. I don't like his posting. Not. One. Bit.

A playstyle I've noticed from him is essentially this:
Accuse someone really loudly, make an all caps post saying "WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK??" (To try and look like he's contributing) and then sharing some kind of meta theory of why someone is scummy. He also tends to post message after message after message in a row, which strikes me as a desperate ploy to control the thought process of the thread.

I will keep reading and give my thoughts on others in an hour or so.

I DON'T WANNA BE THE SELF-META GUY BUT.... I post too much in every game. It's a bad habit of mine. Also I think it must be stated that in the game you played with me, I was trying as much as possible to act like I do as town. Asking what others think is my way of making sure I don't let people sink into the shadows, which is something I tend to do when I focus too much on one slot.

 

[SlickWylde]

let's put the pitchforks DOWN, mates.
I DON'T WANNA BE THE SELF-META GUY BUT.... I post too much in every game. It's a bad habit of mine. Also I think it must be stated that in the game you played with me, I was trying as much as possible to act like I do as town. Asking what others think is my way of making sure I don't let people sink into the shadows, which is something I tend to do when I focus too much on one slot.

That might very well be true, my friend. But when I lift my nose and whiff, the smell of bloodshed enters from your direction. I have seen what seem like incriminating posts from you, and have not seen anything that looks like genuine town interest.

As I gaze upon the city and ponder, I will share my thoughts:

#HBC | J Is extremely difficult to read. The fact that he's experienced makes it hard to pin point his intentions. I have noticed a playstyle change from him, he has been more agressive this game. What that means, I don't yet know.
(That same thing could be said for me this game, I suppose. But that's because I'm still working through some neural interface network issues)

Orboknown - I have not seen anything that I found very interesting. I believe it is more of a case of him being busy, as opposed to attempting to survive as scum.

Maven89 - I find myself agreeing with most of what he has said.

@*GenericHandle* - I really dislike his argument on page 5.

Spak - I find his lack of faith (commitment) disturbing...

@Gheb_01 - I find his posts on the first few pages to be very intelligent and pro town.

If you were to hold a poison goblet to my head, I would say this...

My soul would not be crushed if Zalak were to be executed today. My spirits would not fall if Spak were to be executed tomorrow.



*This is my new "Mafia persona", I'm not trying to sound smart lol

 

[Zalak]

Liking that post if only for the mafia persona....

I really not sure I get what you're saying. What's the post that seems most incriminating to you?

 

[SlickWylde]

I forgot about @SangfroidWarrior - My apologies. I have no opinion of him at the moment.

 

[Orboknown]

You amuse me^

 

[SlickWylde]

Liking that post if only for the mafia persona....

I really not sure I get what you're saying. What's the post that seems most incriminating to you?

I wish there was one specific post I could point to, as I would have a much stronger case against you.

I believe I disliked many of your posts on pages 3, and 6. I understand that everyone changes their mind, and throughout the game I may even change my mind... but I don't find your switch from Spak seeming guilty, to seeming innocent, seemed legitimate. J seemed to defend him, and then you switched your stance, as if you were afraid of J, and that bothers me.

As of now, my accusation is purely based on a gut feeling, so I will not continue to pursue it, unless asked by others.

 

[#HBC | J]

Slick, you're the first person to not come into the thread and have a town-feel on Sang. Could you go more into what you feel regarding her slot?

Mainly because I would love a different PoV of her considering she seems to have been defaulted to everyone's "That one town-read I have". And you seem to have that PoV.

 

[Zalak]

I think I've shown that I'm not afraid to stand against J though.

I opened my mind on my Spak read because I remembered hearing that he played really passively in a recent townie game of his. He's still mostly null for me though, and I still think he's playing a little too passively for a king.

 

[#HBC | J]

I wouldn't say you are afraid of me, however, I will say you seem to be more sensitive and more "licking your wounds" from the last time we battled.

Slick is correct in saying that your approach to dealing with me this game is different. You do seem more wary of me this time around.

 

[Zalak]

I wouldn't say you are afraid of me, however, I will say you seem to be more sensitive and more "licking your wounds" from the last time we battled.

Slick is correct in saying that your approach to dealing with me this game is different. You do seem more wary of me this time around.

The difference is in the last game, I decided you were scum very early on. In this game, you have given me mostly good vibes so far, so I've decided to listen more to what you're saying. I just wanna point out, that I rumbled with you constantly because you were a werewolf, and I wanted you dead.

 

[#HBC | J]

I don't think it came across that way to anyone, but that's neither here nor there.

Regardless, I'm moving on from this.

 

[Zalak]

But that's how it happened. Anyone who cares and doesn't believe me is free to check out the mafia chat from Gheb's game.

if it's neither here not there, why did you point it out?

 

[SlickWylde]

Slick, you're the first person to not come into the thread and have a town-feel on Sang. Could you go more into what you feel regarding her slot?

Mainly because I would love a different PoV of her considering she seems to have been defaulted to everyone's "That one town-read I have". And you seem to have that PoV.

I would love to go into more detail. My reason for my null opinion on her is that she is the only person I see posting, that I have not encountered before. Though some of my interactions with users here have been extremely brief, it still allows me to gain insight into their play-style.

With Sang, I can't remember a single post she's submitted. Nothing caught my attention. To me, that means she's either a very conniving villain, hiding in plain sight, or a very intelligent townie, not getting attention on herself. Either way, I find her slot to be quite the enigma. (Or the 3rd option is that I'm just not observant).

I'm not going to give someone a free pass when they haven't put themselves in danger by posting a good amount. It's easy to seem innocent when your post count is 1 or 2 posts per day.

 

[#HBC | J]

Intersting analysis. What do you make of those who do have her as their strongest town-read? I find it funny because you say nothing has caught your attention/nothing you can remember, but quite a few people have said the opposite (Mainly being Myself/Gheb/Zalak to name a few)

Her opinions to me stand out more than over half the player list so I would also like to know who does stand out to you in knowing their reads.

 

[#HBC | J]

But that's how it happened. Anyone who cares and doesn't believe me is free to check out the mafia chat from Gheb's game.

if it's neither here not there, why did you point it out?

This isn't about proving "who is right" regarding Gheb's game. There are different opinions that are had as to what happened.

And if we're being fair here; Slick is the one who pointed out first that you were acting different, not me and I just chimed in on the conversation.

 

[#HBC | J]

Zalak, let's not continue this line of conversation. I am growing a tad bored with it. Let's move onto something actually that would help with reads.

I can't recall exactly who you want to die for toDay. So, who is the solution to be lynched if not your slot? Who dies toDay? I want a definitive answer on one name only. So I'll ask this again for emphasis, who dies?

 

[Zalak]

Zalak, let's not continue this line of conversation. I am growing a tad bored with it. Let's move onto something actually that would help with reads.

I can't recall exactly who you want to die for toDay. So, who is the solution to be lynched if not your slot? Who dies toDay? I want a definitive answer on one name only. So I'll ask this again for emphasis, who dies?

am i allowed to detail my struggles in choosing before I pick my final answer, or must I only list ONE NAME?

 

[#HBC | J]

Why should it matter to detail your struggles? I mean, one person must go and so far everyone's writing down your name without detailing their struggles (well, I have, but I digress)

Just give me a definite answer of one person who dies toDay and keep it concise/succinct. If I were to give a limit, no more than a paragraph please?

 

[Zalak]

That's a tough one, but my answer is still Generic. As much as I'd love to hear more from him, he's still the most scummy, and the person I have the least amount of doubts about.

 

[Zalak]

It should also be noted that if Generic flips scum, I'd like to look at Gheb's slot.

 

[#HBC | J]

Then the statement moves to this.

Why should we lynch Generic, who is inactive, over you who is here and well, everyone literally agrees on? Also why would Gheb be your target if Generic flips scum? That makes very little sense to me.

 

[Zalak]

Then the statement moves to this.

Why should we lynch Generic, who is inactive, over you who is here and well, everyone literally agrees on? Also why would Gheb be your target if Generic flips scum? That makes very little sense to me.

Gheb is the one who has defended Generic the most.

Because I haven't really been acting anti-town. I've at least been trying to move the game forward. I still don't fully understand how I got myself into this situation. Was it just the Koopa thing? That was a mistake, yeah, but I don't think it makes me scum. LIKE, WHAT MOTIVE COULD I POSSIBLY HAVE TO TOWN READ KOOPA WITHOUT PROVIDING AN EXPLANATION AS SCUM? Maybe if Koopa were my partner, but Slick here is pretty clearly trying to get me killed right now. Is it because I'm actually pointing out my problems I have with people's plays? I feel like some of you are just trying to throw me into the worst light possible.

I didn't want to bring this up, because I felt like it gave me an unfair advantage, but I was the first one to confirm my role, meaning I would have been first king if we used the original system. I was willing to throw myself out there and become the #1 spotlight role. There's a chance I would have done this as scum too, but idk if I'm really THAT gutsy.

Spak

Am I still #1 on your lynch list? What troubles you most about my slot right now?

 

[Spak]

Spak - I find his lack of faith (commitment) disturbing...

Fair enough, but would you be as sure of yourself if you had the blood of an innocent townsperson on your hands?

I would also say this, I am beginning to worry about Sparky. Although I initially had good vibes regarding him, I am beginning to question if he is too passive especially as the King. I mainly say this because I dislike how Zalak has been almost pandering to Sparky at certain chances of the game whereas originally I thought it was just flavor stuff, but Zalak has been just appealing to Spak.

He has been following the layout that Generic set for his opinion on how the game should be laid out quite a few pages ago. I have no control over how he handles interactions with me.

Sparky just needs....to do more. Especially as the King. I do not know how to word what I am meaning to say, but I will say that Sparky has gone onto my "List of Concerns" for now.

Play King as you wish, and I'll play King as I wish. I kinda wish I didn't have to have college apps done by this weekend, but such is life.

I've been reading a lot and agree that Generic lynch today is out of the question. The reason he drew so much suspicion in the first place is because it was early and we had very little to go off of, the effects of which were exaggerated and then he drew more suspicion whenever he had a lot of IRL stuff at a time where he seemed to be stuck in a corner. If he can adequitely defend himself on Sunday, I'd be willing to dismiss his early game shortcomings (then again, it probably won't be my decision on Sunday).

I'd be fine with a Zalak lynch today, but would be a bit concerned about J thread control (like what happened last game). He doesn't seem to be forcing it and manipulating as much this game (he's actually a town read in my opinion), but it could be scary if he actually is scum (unless Sang becomes more active and Gheb isn't NK'd).

That's a tough one, but my answer is still Generic. As much as I'd love to hear more from him, he's still the most scummy, and the person I have the least amount of doubts about.

Could you please tell me why Generic is more scummy than you?

Gheb is the one who has defended Generic the most.

True, but he merely pointed out how small the offence really is; as you said earlier in the thread, not going 80 MPH and tunneling a slot is

Maybe if Koopa were my partner, but Slick here is pretty clearly trying to get me killed right now. Is it because I'm actually pointing out my problems I have with people's plays? I feel like some of you are just trying to throw me into the worst light possible.

Don't play the "Is it because I'm actually pointing out problems in people's plays" card; people have been doing that all game. Also, the push against you was already pretty significant by Slick's first post, so you could have been trying to separate yourselves so that if one got caught, the other wouldn't perish.

I didn't want to bring this up, because I felt like it gave me an unfair advantage, but I was the first one to confirm my role, meaning I would have been first king if we used the original system. I was willing to throw myself out there and become the #1 spotlight role. There's a chance I would have done this as scum too, but idk if I'm really THAT gutsy.

The first King could also possibly set the way the role is handled the rest of the game. I think Scum could REALLY use that to their advantage, and yes, you are that gutsy.

Am I still #1 on your lynch list? What troubles you most about my slot right now?

Right now, your backtracking, willingness to throw other people under the bus to die another day, and general tone towards this game right now is giving me a scum vibe. I wish Generic could come back, but we can deal with him Sunday. Gheb, Sang, and J are all pretty strong town reads for me at this point, Slick appears to have good intentions at the moment (but no solid read yet), I'm townie (and also not a candidate for today's execution), RR is a host, Orbo has been fairly inactive but he says he'll get to it soon (which I'll call him out on if he's not more active tomorrow), and you and Maven (which by the way, where did he go?) are my only two considerations for today. In addition, I am a King of the People and would like to carry out their will as long as I agree, and I agree that you're definitely a possible scum suspect.

 

[Zalak]

Could you please tell me why Generic is more scummy than you?

His accusations felt very rushed and misguided to me. I didn't feel he was reading carefully at all, and got the vibe that he was just trying to up his post count. It just seemed like he was more focused on throwing together a post that looked legit than he was on actually finding scum. UNFORTUNATELY, that's all I've really seen from Generic, and it left me getting scummy vibes off of him.

Don't play the "Is it because I'm actually pointing out problems in people's plays" card; people have been doing that all game. Also, the push against you was already pretty significant by Slick's first post, so you could have been trying to separate yourselves so that if one got caught, the other wouldn't perish.

You've played on a scum team with me, and you know I try my absolute best to keep everyone on my team alive, myself included. I don't think I would do that as scum if I only needed to convince one person of my innocence to stay alive. Not saying you'd be easy to trick, but I think I'd go for it. Losing a mafia member on D1 would be a huge detriment to the scum team. I'm all about that #absolute victory.

The first King could also possibly set the way the role is handled the rest of the game. I think Scum could REALLY use that to their advantage, and yes, you are that gutsy.

FAIR ENOUGH. I can't say that occurred to me though. I figured scum would wanna hold back on being the king, unless they were really gutsy.

Right now, your backtracking, willingness to throw other people under the bus to die another day, and general tone towards this game right now is giving me a scum vibe. I wish Generic could come back, but we can deal with him Sunday. Gheb, Sang, and J are all pretty strong town reads for me at this point, Slick appears to have good intentions at the moment (but no solid read yet), I'm townie (and also not a candidate for today's execution), RR is a host, Orbo has been fairly inactive but he says he'll get to it soon (which I'll call him out on if he's not more active tomorrow), and you and Maven (which by the way, where did he go?) are my only two considerations for today. In addition, I am a King of the People and would like to carry out their will as long as I agree, and I agree that you're definitely a possible scum suspect.

Okay, here's something I wanna point out real quick...

If I were scum trying to throw other people under the bus, why did I say I wanted Gheb to die when J asked? If I were just trying to save myself, I would have looked to see who you were most likely to lynch in place of me, and said I wanted Maven dead. I didn't though, I said Generic, because I feel Generic is scummier as it stands right now.

I also really don't get where this whole Zalak is throwing people under the bus thing came from!

Maven was due to genuine concern, and the fact that I was asked. I think we can all agree that Generic is at least a little shifty. And how can you say my accusation against J is me throwing him under the bus?? I didn't even say he was a scum read, I just pointed out a problem I had with his accusation against Maven.

BASICALLY... If I'm trying to throw people under buses, why am I not pushing Maven?

 

[Spak]

Maven was due to genuine concern, and the fact that I was asked. I think we can all agree that Generic is at least a little shifty. And how can you say my accusation against J is me throwing him under the bus?? I didn't even say he was a scum read, I just pointed out a problem I had with his accusation against Maven.

BASICALLY... If I'm trying to throw people under buses, why am I not pushing Maven?

I was actually talking about you trying to throw Generic under the bus and get him killed, and tunneling his slot to the death.

His accusations felt very rushed and misguided to me. I didn't feel he was reading carefully at all, and got the vibe that he was just trying to up his post count. It just seemed like he was more focused on throwing together a post that looked legit than he was on actually finding scum. UNFORTUNATELY, that's all I've really seen from Generic, and it left me getting scummy vibes off of him.

Care to elaborate?

You've played on a scum team with me, and you know I try my absolute best to keep everyone on my team alive, myself included. I don't think I would do that as scum if I only needed to convince one person of my innocence to stay alive. Not saying you'd be easy to trick, but I think I'd go for it. Losing a mafia member on D1 would be a huge detriment to the scum team. I'm all about that #absolute victory.

That's true.

I know you are a good scum and keep cool under pressure, you think people don't have anything to go off of unless it's SUPER convincing or a slip, and I'm less sure of you being scum as we talk. With that said, I know you were the same way in Gheb's JR and have heard you were crazy townie until the end in Crazy Auction where you were pretty much mod-confirmed, and I've never actually seen a townie Zalak. Additionally, you've had some of the most interactive conversations with other players so far in the game and you seem very invested (like in every other game). Your flip would give us valuable information, but you are a large asset lost if we're wrong about your allignment. At this point I'm still not willing to consider anyone else but you and Maven, but I'd like Maven89 to actually come and give his opinions on the situation we find ourselves in before I say anything else.

 

[Zalak]

I was actually talking about you trying to throw Generic under the bus and get him killed, and tunneling his slot to the death.

OH

well i feel silly. I didn't even realize I was tunneling Generic. When I talked with Gheb about Generic, I was actually more concerned with the way Gheb was defending him than the fact that he was defending him. I didn't like the way he used to word "argument" to describe Maven and my interaction, and I felt like he was saying because Maven wasn't an easy target because he was "winning the argument", when IMO, it was a pretty good opportunity for scum to jump in and accuse Maven of strawmaning.

Care to elaborate?

I guess my main problem is his accusations didn't feel truthful. He rushed in and made a post against Maven and me, but it didn't line up very well with what was going on. That left me getting a bad vibe from Generic. I feel like a townie would have spent more time making sure they knew what they were saying.

also, this really bothered me

Zalak seems rather over defensive, flustered even, uncharacteristically. Maven didn't really do much to him in the way of dangerous accusations. Over defensive Zalak is scum Zalak.

I just don't follow the logic at all. If you're dead set on not lynching Generic though, I'd like to wait for him to get a chance to defend himself before we talk about him too much more, if that's cool. I wanna hear a defense... STRAIGHT FROM THE SOURCE.

 

[Maven89]

Spak do you not believe I'm made my opinions on the matter clear already? You seem to be talking about me as if my last several posts never happened

 

[Spak]

Spak do you not believe I'm made my opinions on the matter clear already? You seem to be talking about me as if my last several posts never happened

I seem to be talking about you as if you haven't been active since Slick joined the game or Zalak had his most recent round of defenses. I know what your opinions were 24 hours ago, but a lot has happened today and I want to know if any of your opinions have changed. It's a valid question since I'm trying to determine who is scum, but based on your response, I assume you haven't changed your mind about anything?

(P.S. Off to bed, and I'll probably post the execution in the afternoon rather than late at night because I'm gonna be out part of the night)

 

[Zalak]

the suspension is killing me

ANYWAYS, I am 100% definitely still town, and I hope to not die tomorrow. If I die though, I'd like ya'll to look into Gheb a bit. also generic and maven of course, I just figured ya'll would look into them regardless.