Radical's Radical Kingmaker { ASSASSINS WIN SOME RADICAL TIMES }

[Maven89]

I didn't really look at the flavor and thought the kingmaker was randomized every day based off possibly having a random king day 1 and so yeah, I was thinking this was just going to just be executes

 

[Orboknown]

Koops and Orbo are non-existant in this game and I kind of dislike Orbo coming in here and not getting that he hasn't commented on anything when there is quite a bit of information on every slot sans Koops. Sang said she is busy and won't be here for a bit. Meanwhile everyone else has posts of note.

Orbo, to join in on Sparky's question. What do you make of Generic specifically? How do you feel on Maven v. Zalak?

Feelings of "..." when Generic won't be responding for a while.

generic sucks. Not as a person, but as a slot.
I like maven more than zalek
I also like gheb and sang so far

Also at the time I didn't realize the mafia had a nightkill and thought this game was only going to have executes.

geez i wanna call this a townslip

 

[#HBC | J]

Orbo, you're odd this game.

Keep posting thoughts though. So far the only thing that I see of relevance in the vein of something new would be you saying you like Gheb which hasn't been brought up yet.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I don't think I'd put it beyond scum!Maven to fake such a "slip". Not that I see much of a reason to read him as scum right now but I wouldn't treat that 'incident' as anything other than null.

Wondering if Spak has any tendencies at this point. As for my opinion, I think executing Zalak seems like a solid plan.

 

[TheKingofKoopas]

Going back to read everything now.

 

[#HBC | J]

I feel morbid, but literally any of 6 slots in my mind can go and I wouldn't really feel too upset.

 

[Maven89]

Could you rank them for us?

 

[TheKingofKoopas]

I worry that when someone states who they think the baddies are, and they get it right, the assassins will want to kill them before they can become king. trying to figure out if they killed them because they were right, or if they killed them to frame the people the victim voted for would be WIFOMy. basically, it becomes easier for the assassins to kill off threats to them, unless the assassins are agreed to be bad by more than a couple of players.

Don't like that. Even though everyone already said this looks like it has scummy intent, I don't like how much you were reinforcing the fact that "the pros outweigh the cons" and how this is just something up for discussion. Seems like you were creating something to fall back on.

I'm just trying to think of a way to give the villagers more of a voice. I worry about what might happen when the scum players only need to convince the king of their innocence to survive. I guess I just have to have faith in our kings.

If the kings do anything rash against the popular opinion, they're gonna have to deal with an uprising the next day.

Regarding structure: I am very strongly against any form of voting. Fite me irl.

Rather, I would propose a courtroom-esque model. The king can ask questions, do whatever, etc, as can other players to each other. However, I would submit that we, the non-kings, should make our case/arguments to the king, in an attempt to persuade him or her. Then, at the end of the day, the king will kill who he thinks is most likely scum -- of course, if you don't suck, the case you made to the king will influence his decision. The advantages to this are numerous, but they all boil down to us getting more information in one way or another.

That's some Phoenix Wright stuff right here. Don't see anything wrong with this structure at all, liked.

 

[TheKingofKoopas]

So page 4 and onwards, I find Gen to be the most scummy simply because of his contradictory logic. I wouldn't mind a Gen lynch if he doesn't post or get replaced by the end of toDay.
Zalak has a scum lean because of his actions early game that I already stated.

In response to those using meta to the new players from Gheb's mini, take heed that most of them, including myself, have stated that we're trying to improve our gameplay. We're going to play differently simply because we're improving or trying new things.

 

[Orboknown]

Orbo, you're odd this game.

Keep posting thoughts though. So far the only thing that I see of relevance in the vein of something new would be you saying you like Gheb which hasn't been brought up yet.

yeah d1 is weird for me this setup, theres a lot i really dunno how to process without votes and shiz so far. I should be a lot better off d2.

I don't think I'd put it beyond scum!Maven to fake such a "slip". Not that I see much of a reason to read him as scum right now but I wouldn't treat that 'incident' as anything other than null.

Wondering if Spak has any tendencies at this point. As for my opinion, I think executing Zalak seems like a solid plan.

Yeah, fair. Its just weird for me to have a scum!macen say that he assumes something isnt there thats a fundamental of mafia games

 

[Zalak]

Wondering if Spak has any tendencies at this point. As for my opinion, I think executing Zalak seems like a solid plan.

I feel like you guys are kind of just hounding me because of an unconventional plan I suggested thinking about early on. I really don't know how to defend myself outside of saying that? I was just trying to figure out a way to solve the problem of the assassins being able to pick off the people they don't want to become kings. If you have any questions, or additional accusations I'll answer/defend against them, but if not, I'm gonna focus on hunting scum until our king decides I need to defend myself again.

Don't like that. Even though everyone already said this looks like it has scummy intent, I don't like how much you were reinforcing the fact that "the pros outweigh the cons" and how this is just something up for discussion. Seems like you were creating something to fall back on.

I understand this actually, but the reason I didn't post my idea in detail at first is because I was hesitant to give the scum players any ideas, which I now realize is silly, because of course they're going to consider that when choosing their targets. I posted the initial super vague post in order to remind myself what I was afraid of, and what might happen if I'm right about a scum player, but no one else thinks the player is scum. When Sang asked, I was like "well I guess there's no harm in asking the others how they think we should approach this". Hopefully that explains my motivations for the entire thing.
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Generic not being able to post is a huge bother, because he might actually have some kind of good defense for his actions, but if he doesn't he's easily the #1 most scummy for me right now. His play has been totally off.

I have one super strong town lean, but I feel like if I tell you guys, you're gonna try to get me lynched on the grounds that my reads are FAKE, so I'm gonna keep it secret until I can justify it a little more.

actually no, nvm, it's koopa.

J gives me town vibes, but I know from experience he's a pretty dangerous player. I like his content though, and he seems eager to move the game forward, so town lean.

Sang gives me town vibes, but I am very apprehensive to actually call her a town read/lean, especially with what little content she has posted.

the rest of the players are pretty much null for me.

~ Gheb ~

could you gimmie some reads other than your scum read on me? or who do you think we should be investigating today, assuming I am already dead?

also, it would be nice to get this info from everyone else too.

 

[Zalak]

TheKingofKoopas

Do you consider yourself a guy I should be trusting?

 

[Orboknown]

Can you explain the koops love to the best you can

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Well, I generally agree with J that there's a whole bunch of slots that I wouldn't shed a tear over if they were to be executed. A lot of people with disappointing input [both in quantity and quality] - Orbo, Koops, Generic, Zalak ... and that's just off the top of my head. Honestly, I don't even wanna start thinking about the possibility that all of these people could be town because that'd be pretty terrible.

I feel like you guys are kind of just hounding me because of an unconventional plan I suggested thinking about early on.

There's also the problem that you post a lot but say little in the process. Playstyle or not, you've basically flooded the whole thread with posts so far yet I don't see how any of what you posted really helped to progress the game in a way that's even remotely constructive. So many post yet so little content and no clear pushes ... I can't be the only one who has an issue with that? I mean people like Sang have only a fraction of your post count but I don't feel like you have given us more to work with than them.

 

[Zalak]

It's mostly just a feeling I get, also a couple other things.

One such thing being he seemed extremely apprehensive in Gheb's Jungle Republic Game.

I MEAN... look at his first post.

I'll admit Generic seems the most suspicious right now. Could be inexperienced with the game, but he's said he's played Mafia before on other forums.

FOS: *GenericHandle*

he's bandwagoning, but he's also creating a way out for himself. This was his first post.

while in THIS game, he seems a lot more confident to me, and a lot less worried about being lynched.

There's also the problem that you post a lot but say little in the process. Playstyle or not, you've basically flooded the whole thread with posts so far yet I don't see how any of what you posted really helped to progress the game in a way that's even remotely constructive. So many post yet so little content and no clear pushes ... I can't be the only one who has an issue with that? I mean people like Sang have only a fraction of your post count but I don't feel like you have given us more to work with than them.

You do realize the majority of my posts in the beginning of the game were me trying to figure out how to best go about playing in the kingmaker setup? Later down the road, I pointed out how Spak has spent a lot of time on this considering how much he has posted, but I can't really go much further down that avenue without waiting to see if Spak will start posting a bit more. I very clearly don't like Generic's slot, and would love to push him, but unfortunately, he's said that he's going to be gone for the test of toDay, so there's not much I can do about that either. I've stated the players that I like, and I've stated my problems with the players that I'm worried about.

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Well, I generally agree with J that there's a whole bunch of slots that I wouldn't shed a tear over if they were to be executed. A lot of people with disappointing input [both in quantity and quality] - Orbo, Koops, Generic, Zalak ... and that's just off the top of my head. Honestly, I don't even wanna start thinking about the possibility that all of these people could be town because that'd be pretty terrible.

I asked ye who you think we should be investigating assuming I'm already dead, and this really isn't an answer to that question. If we are to actually progress in this game, then you need to start thinking about the possibility that some of these players are town. Are you trying to say that these players are too bad to warrant an investigation or something?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Sometimes ... when I read through your posts ... I don't feel like we speak the same languange.

I'll get into your stuff tomorrow. It'll probably be easier to make sense out of it when I'm not tired af but on first sight half of the stuff you post reads like it's completely beside the point I'm trying to make.

 

[Zalak]

REST of toDay*

 

[#HBC | J]

God this game is going to be really hard for me.

I am liking both Sang and Gheb and that's a problem because those two are the scariest slots this game for me because of their ability to make me like them and also appear really towny when they are scum. They can live for toDay's purposes, but I am biting my lip a bit at the notion of me feeling too strongly about their slots this way. Sang is incredibly logical, but entirely too null (since I know she has stronger opinions then she is letting on for the sake of not wanting to become too much in the limelight D1 @SangfroidWarrior I see your game) and Gheb is more vocal than I'm used to which is intriguing, but I agree with pretty much everything he has said (and he's agreed with me as well)

Zalak seems to maybe be town due to his playstyle/tone being different then Gheb's game where it was really evident if he was scum from D1 whereas here I just think he doesn't understand what is going on fully in the thread. I mean, his strongest town read is Koopa? That makes 0 sense. Like if people with small post count that could be considered towny the only one that comes to mind is Sang because of her content is more viable then that of Koopa/Orbo (or as Gheb said, a huge chunk of the game)

Maven is too coasty for me currently and I dislike that fact. There is nothing notable from Maven besides the earlier stuff with Zalak which got the game going, but other than that he's just a background member this game.

Maven89 : I'll answer your question if you can give me a valid reason to rank them for a D1 read's list. The way I look at it, most of D1 is a crapshoot unless something inherently obvious happens. People know that I dislike Generic especially since I am the one who began the push on his slot and brought attention to his play.

I am regretting, though, calling Generic out so early because of the fact that everyone has pretty much scapegoated and said "Yeah, Generic is bad looking" which makes me ponder regarding if what I pointed out was directly scummy or just bad play from Generic's part which is a feasible option as well. To also consider the fact that Generic also got lynched for similar actions while albeit scummy to most slots, Generic's playstyle is that of naturally being scummy (in my eyes). I am hesitant on lynching him especially since we still have 4 days of discussion.

Sparky is not really doing anything lately as king, but I have liked his tone and don't find anything to disagree with what he has done. He's a naturally passive player so that makes me lean more towards having him as town. However, his slot is not one I am focusing on because there is 0 I can do about him for any reason toDay.

Orbo's posts to me have been hollow as hell and that's strange because I can read Orbo incredibly clearly from memory and in this game there is a fog surrounding his slot which makes me lean towards him more likely being scum and using his passive scum-game in this early dayphase to hide under the radar.

Finally Koopa comes in and attributes nothing new to the thread content and I'm just sitting here wondering what his goal is. The most notable thing I can recall is him just syaing that "newbies can change" and that is true, but I don't get why he said that.

I'm not going to rank my reads, but these are where people stand currently. If I was King for toDay, I would lynch one of Generic/Orbo/Maven (order doesn't matter). Generic because he has all the signs of a good D1 lynch with a great opportunity to flip scum. The other two because I do not like the vibes they are sending off currently.

 

[Orboknown]

Ps
Tomorrow and thursday are gonne be busy as **** during the day and i make no promises about posting at night.

 

[#HBC | J]

I'm not going to push my agenda too hard, but any slot that isn't Myself, Sang, or Gheb (and maybe Zalak) can go for toDay's sake.

That means Generic, Koopa, Orbo, and Maven can die for toDay's lynch and I will not bat an eye.

 

[Zalak]

Spak

*Bows to the king*

oh great king, what do you think of Koopa? Do you think you understand why I think he's town?

 

[#HBC | J]

Could you explain why you like Koopa in a reason that does not involve meta from Gheb's Mini-Mafia?

 

[Zalak]

Okay, something just occurred to me, and I am less sure about Koopa now. He still gives me good vibes though. My #1 reason for liking his slot is kinda fading.

 

[#HBC | J]

I dare ask this...but why?

 

[Zalak]

Could you explain why you like Koopa in a reason that does not involve meta from Gheb's Mini-Mafia?

I assumed he was the kingmaker at first. I thought he was the most likely to pick Spak as the king. Now that I think about it a bit more though, I realize any one of you could have some kind of reason to pick Spak. That was just the reaction I got when I saw Spak was picked as king.

 

[#HBC | J]

Why are you searching for who the kingmaker is? That's inherently bad to try and sniff our PRs because it brings attention to their slot.

There is a plethora of reasons as to why any slot can be picked as King for D1, but for clarity's sake please refrain from outing who you think is a PR.

 

[Zalak]

Yeah, that's why I was being so vague earlier. Upon thinking about it a bit more, I realized I really had no idea who the kingmaker was, so I decided to explain myself.

 

[Orboknown]

.....
Wooowwwwww zalek

 

[#HBC | J]

I mean, it's sad but this derp on Zalak's part makes me think he is more likely to be town.

However, I am glossing over his posts from now on considering this is just silly at this point. 2 strikes so far of "..." posts.

 

[Orboknown]

What was his strike one iyo

 

[#HBC | J]

Him saying Maven was being aggressive and attacking his slot when it was far from it.

This whole "I thought Koopa was town because he could have been Kingmaker" is strike 2.

After 3 strikes, I will probably just become numb to his slot and if he were to be lynched/killed it wouldn't phase me that much.

 

[Zalak]

Him saying Maven was being aggressive and attacking his slot when it was far from it.

I admit that aggressive is a bit of a strange choice of word, but the way he shifted that conversation still feels off to me. It felt a little too weird to be a simple misunderstanding between us, and I wish he would have answered my question in addition to telling me he thought my idea was scummy.

 

[#HBC | J]

Can we have a bit more input from our King of the day Spak because we are all just kind of throwing names out and we need to know if they are being considered/where the lynch is looking like going for toDay. Plus other reads regarding other players would be swell too.

I'm out to class/gym/rehearsal for the evening so I won't be around till either late tonight/tomorrow, but I would like some posts to come back to.

 

[Spak]

Wondering if Spak has any tendencies at this point. As for my opinion, I think executing Zalak seems like a solid plan.

Lay out in one post why you think a Zalak kill today would be a good idea; I'm a very hesitant of killing anyone yet (or saying that we should kill anyone, unless they had a scum slip) because we have so much time left in the day and since the game only started three days ago..

I'm gonna focus on hunting scum until our king decides I need to defend myself again.

Consider anyone in the game as "needing to defend themselves" when they are approached with a question. I don't want my AP Stat to hold back conversations, and question dodging is NEVER a good strategy. (Not aimed at anyone, just a general statement for clarification).

Generic not being able to post is a huge bother, because he might actually have some kind of good defense for his actions, but if he doesn't he's easily the #1 most scummy for me right now. His play has been totally off.

I agree with this, but I'm not sure if I'll still agree with this by the time I get to the end of the page (haven't looked at it yet lol)

One such thing being he seemed extremely apprehensive in Gheb's Jungle Republic Game.

I MEAN... look at his first post.



he's bandwagoning, but he's also creating a way out for himself. This was his first post.

while in THIS game, he seems a lot more confident to me, and a lot less worried about being lynched.

It could be that he's getting better at the game... It tends to happen, and I would expect him to learn from previous experiences.

You do realize the majority of my posts in the beginning of the game were me trying to figure out how to best go about playing in the kingmaker setup? Later down the road, I pointed out how Spak has spent a lot of time on this considering how much he has posted, but I can't really go much further down that avenue without waiting to see if Spak will start posting a bit more.

I'm at over 50 posts and already explained why I'm not posting as much as I'm viewing.

I very clearly don't like Generic's slot, and would love to push him, but unfortunately, he's said that he's going to be gone for the test of toDay, so there's not much I can do about that either. I've stated the players that I like, and I've stated my problems with the players that I'm worried about.

So his inactivity at a super convenient time to get pressure off of himself isn't scummy to you?

Are you trying to say that these players are too bad to warrant an investigation or something?

Where in blue blazes did you get that from?

Spak

*Bows to the king*

oh great king, what do you think of Koopa? Do you think you understand why I think he's town?

Not really.

Can we have a bit more input from our King of the day Spak because we are all just kind of throwing names out and we need to know if they are being considered/where the lynch is looking like going for toDay. Plus other reads regarding other players would be swell too.

I'm out to class/gym/rehearsal for the evening so I won't be around till either late tonight/tomorrow, but I would like some posts to come back to.

Sorry, but marching band kept me until like 5:30. I'm considering Zalak, Maven, and Generic (especially Generic) for today's lynch, and a raised brow to Orbo (he's safe for the moment, but his play has seemed different than the Orbo I've come to know in the other games I've played).

Also, in case this wasn't already clear, do NOT let the kingmaker be claimed. Does that end the game with Mafia winning since there would be no more day kills, or would it go to normal Mafia?

 

[Spak]

*The kingmaker being killed, not claimed

 

[Spak]

Also, I'd like to note that Zalak and Generic have been doing the most backtracking so far this game. Seems like they might be worried about something about them being exposed.

 

[Zalak]

Also, I'd like to note that Zalak and Generic have been doing the most backtracking so far this game. Seems like they might be worried about something about them being exposed.

I'm more worried about goofing up and getting into a situation where I am going 80mph down the wrong road. ONE OF MY BIGGEST FLAWS IN MAFIA, is I kinda tend to go all or nothing, so I wanna try to avoid doing that this game.

 

[Zalak]

actually, I think a new kingmaker is picked when the kingmaker is killed.

 

[Spak]

I'm more worried about goofing up and getting into a situation where I am going 80mph down the wrong road. ONE OF MY BIGGEST FLAWS IN MAFIA, is I kinda tend to go all or nothing, so I wanna try to avoid doing that this game.

Yeah, but avoiding going down the wrong road and backtracking whenever asked about something or after being pressured are two different things.

 

[Zalak]

Yeah, but avoiding going down the wrong road and backtracking whenever asked about something or after being pressured are two different things.

which instances of zalak backtracking bothered you the most? i feel like you're exaggerating a little bit.