RadicalRat
Smash Journeyman
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The way I see it, we already have a small game, so unless you have a replacement in mind, I don't feel it fair to kill you over a single day.
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Radical's Radical Kingmaker { ASSASSINS WIN SOME RADICAL TIMES }
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Koops and Orbo are non-existant in this game and I kind of dislike Orbo coming in here and not getting that he hasn't commented on anything when there is quite a bit of information on every slot sans Koops. Sang said she is busy and won't be here for a bit. Meanwhile everyone else has posts of note.
Orbo, to join in on Sparky's question. What do you make of Generic specifically? How do you feel on Maven v. Zalak?
Feelings of "..." when Generic won't be responding for a while.
Orbo, to join in on Sparky's question. What do you make of Generic specifically? How do you feel on Maven v. Zalak?
Feelings of "..." when Generic won't be responding for a while.
Why though?
Maven89
Smash Master
What he's saying is out of sync with what is happening with the game, he came off very strong in his post yet the second he realized people were going to question it he dialed it back, not by suggesting he had made a mistake but instead by claiming what he said wasn't important. It didn't seem to be him defending himself as much as him insisting that we should just ignore it.
At first I wasn't sure if my post was coming off in a way I didn't intend, but everyone else chiming in and not seeing what he's seeing, plus his recent posts, make me fairly confident that he's making it all up.
I don't think I'd just execute him right now if I was king, but it's possible.
At first I wasn't sure if my post was coming off in a way I didn't intend, but everyone else chiming in and not seeing what he's seeing, plus his recent posts, make me fairly confident that he's making it all up.
I don't think I'd just execute him right now if I was king, but it's possible.
Maven89
Smash Master
I don't feel like my post to Zalak was strong enough to warrant that response from the scum team, if anything I'd take it to be more likely Zalak was town and Generic, knowing I was wrong in this scenario, believed he could use that to lynch me.
Maven89
Smash Master
But that's wifom and overall I don't think there's that much there to make a connection, plus I don't even really have a scum lean on Zalak yet. I just thought bringing up the possibility of not talking about who the assassins were was really scummy and wanted him to explain it more. If someone like you or Gheb brought that up I'd consider it very scummy, I dunno what to really think about Zalak bringing it up though.
SangfroidWarrior
Smash Journeyman
(I'm running on so little sleep that I don't even think I got a full sleep cycle, so bear with me. it's gonna be a little scattered.)
As to notes of me being relatively inactive, I do check the thread sometimes, I just don't have the time to actually post a lot. If you have anything you want me to answer or if you want my input on something specifically, just tag me in it and I'll get to it ASAP.
I honestly think the whole Maven v Zalak thing is being read into way too much. I understand that it's basically the only thing to go off of right now (besides Generic) but, to me, it just seemed like a case of misunderstanding what the other person said, and it escalated from there. It also didn't seem like too much of a thing until other players went off of it (namely, I think Maven only made like two posts in response to Zalak answering my question while Zalak made many that were used as springboards for later discussions). This is a null interaction, IMO.
Speaking of, @Generic, how did you get that Maven was more likely to be scum from that encounter? I know that you somewhat explained it, but I don't really understand the logic. Maven's questions, while I personally believe were a bit misdirected or based on a misunderstanding (at least in the sense that I think he misunderstood Zalak's point), I don't get anything else from that.
I'm not exactly sure how I feel about Generic currently, but that goes for my feelings about the entire playerlist.
Also, @Maven, what do you mean you'd be fine with executing Generic now and then saying later that you wouldn't if you were king? This seems very counter-productive, and also very similar to what Generic did previously with regard to your slot and you v Zalak.
As to notes of me being relatively inactive, I do check the thread sometimes, I just don't have the time to actually post a lot. If you have anything you want me to answer or if you want my input on something specifically, just tag me in it and I'll get to it ASAP.
I honestly think the whole Maven v Zalak thing is being read into way too much. I understand that it's basically the only thing to go off of right now (besides Generic) but, to me, it just seemed like a case of misunderstanding what the other person said, and it escalated from there. It also didn't seem like too much of a thing until other players went off of it (namely, I think Maven only made like two posts in response to Zalak answering my question while Zalak made many that were used as springboards for later discussions). This is a null interaction, IMO.
Speaking of, @Generic, how did you get that Maven was more likely to be scum from that encounter? I know that you somewhat explained it, but I don't really understand the logic. Maven's questions, while I personally believe were a bit misdirected or based on a misunderstanding (at least in the sense that I think he misunderstood Zalak's point), I don't get anything else from that.
I'm not exactly sure how I feel about Generic currently, but that goes for my feelings about the entire playerlist.
Also, @Maven, what do you mean you'd be fine with executing Generic now and then saying later that you wouldn't if you were king? This seems very counter-productive, and also very similar to what Generic did previously with regard to your slot and you v Zalak.
Zalak
Smash Lord
Maven89
I just want to clarify again, I did not intend to call your post aggressive originally. It was just something I noted in my mind like "hm, he kinda just ignored my question, this feels kinda aggressive". I only stated that opinion because J asked me if I had any opinions on you. I might have asked you to answer my question though.
I'm totally with you on his posts being out of sync with what's going on, but what about that exactly seems scummy to you?
I think I have a strong town lean on 1-2 slots. Sadly, neither of them are discussion people for toDay so it doesn't help with the lynch for Sparky.
We need the pile of Generic/Koopa/Orbo to post in order to progress the game further, in my honest opinion. I feel I am getting a grasp of what this game is looking like.
We need the pile of Generic/Koopa/Orbo to post in order to progress the game further, in my honest opinion. I feel I am getting a grasp of what this game is looking like.
Zalak
Smash Lord
I'm actually not worried about him at all in comparison to other slots.
What do you make of Sang? To me, she seems the most expressive in her views that actually make logical sense. Although no scum-reads are coming from it, she explains the why behind it.
What do you make of Sang? To me, she seems the most expressive in her views that actually make logical sense. Although no scum-reads are coming from it, she explains the why behind it.
Zalak
Smash Lord
I like that Sang isn't jumping onto any wagons based on minor suspicious activity. I get the vibe that she wants to avoid having us all run into a hardcore push against townies without thinking about it. If anyone being investigated turns out to be scum, that all changes, but I feel like if Sang were protecting a scum partner, she would try to redirect the attention instead of just trying to get everyone to take a step back and reassess the situation. I've never played with her before though, so she could just be a very subtle and sneaky scum player. Her stances have been very very neutral so far, which bothers me a little, but because we're still early in the game, I can excuse that for now. I've gotten town vibes from her so far, but it's still early, and I don't wanna write anyone off yet.
Zalak
Smash Lord
oh, and which slots are you worried about most right now, J?
Not to throw unnecessary F.U.D., but Sang is a scary player haha. I agree on the town-vibes though from early on.
I would say that Generic worries me, but there's something about this push that feels off from my other pushes I do so I'm skeptical. I would say Orbo/Koopa worry me because they are non-existent.
Then the pile of Gheb/Maven/You is a null lump while I am liking Sparky/Sang.
I would say that Generic worries me, but there's something about this push that feels off from my other pushes I do so I'm skeptical. I would say Orbo/Koopa worry me because they are non-existent.
Then the pile of Gheb/Maven/You is a null lump while I am liking Sparky/Sang.
I find that unlikely. It was pretty clear - to me anyway - that in the discussion between Zalak and yourself, you had the better arguments. Looking at the amount of "likes" you've received for some of your posts and the general support you got I'm sure I'm not the only one who felt that way. You're basically saying that scum!Generic would use that scenario to lynch you when Zalak would be the easy target to go for. I'm not really seeing that as a likely thing.
Zalak
Smash Lord
It wasn't really much of an argument between Maven and me though. I feel like everyone is trying to turn this into a Zalak vs Maven fight fest. I love fighting, but that's not something I wanna be a part of right now. Also, I'm with Maven in the sense that Generic's actions don't seem to be guided by truth. Like, ever since his post about J and I fighting, he's been throwing out some posts that I really do not see the logic behind.
#HBC | J
what is that you like about Spak??
Pretty sure you've missed the point because that's not what I'm doing.
That's well established by now.
Zalak
Smash Lord
alright, well if you'll go back and look, he pretty clearly tried to put both Maven and me in hot water, based on, in my opinion, false reasoning.
Just his level of activity, really. It's so different from how I would act as a king. I suppose we are two very different people though. Upon re-reading, I get slightly better vibes from him. His joke - investigation ratio seems slightly off, but I've never played a game with town Spak, so that might be normal, also I'm not sure I'm actually in the position to accuse people of too much memeory.
What bothered me at first was how quickly his push on me faded, but looking back, that interaction seems like a pretty normal miscommunication + resolution.
I see him viewing the thread a lot though, but I don't see him posting all that much content. If I'm going based on pure inactivity though, he's definitely not the #1 offender there.
Sorry, my phone says that I'm viewing the thread even if my screen is locked (if my browser is a current task), so sometimes people think I'm online when I'm really not.
Anyways, I have a test/quiz every day this week and my NC State application is due on Sunday, so I won't be posing a lot during school hours. I'd give reference to RoDGames if you want a look at town me, but I refuse the urge to self-meta. I've been trying to be as unbiased of a king as I can and I think my activity level has been decently good (50 posts, more than Rosa by the end of D3 of Gheb's game), plus I have no clue what I'm supposed to be doing as King lol.
I agree that Generic has been looking suspicious (and homework johns don't help), but hopefully he can muster the time to attempt to defend himself so we have more content to analyze and dig into. I'm getting good vibes from Sang and Gheb's play right now and Generic either got caught in a bad situation and has too much pride to admit it (getting himself in a deeper hole) or slipped and hoped burying it would help it go unnoticed. I am noticing his playstyle (amount of liking posts, post regularity, post content, attitude towards the game, etc.) seems to have differed between this and the last game. Two points of data can make a line, but it's crazy inaccurate and I don't think anyone on these boards know what Scum Generic looks like.
Anyways, I have a test/quiz every day this week and my NC State application is due on Sunday, so I won't be posing a lot during school hours. I'd give reference to RoDGames if you want a look at town me, but I refuse the urge to self-meta. I've been trying to be as unbiased of a king as I can and I think my activity level has been decently good (50 posts, more than Rosa by the end of D3 of Gheb's game), plus I have no clue what I'm supposed to be doing as King lol.
I agree that Generic has been looking suspicious (and homework johns don't help), but hopefully he can muster the time to attempt to defend himself so we have more content to analyze and dig into. I'm getting good vibes from Sang and Gheb's play right now and Generic either got caught in a bad situation and has too much pride to admit it (getting himself in a deeper hole) or slipped and hoped burying it would help it go unnoticed. I am noticing his playstyle (amount of liking posts, post regularity, post content, attitude towards the game, etc.) seems to have differed between this and the last game. Two points of data can make a line, but it's crazy inaccurate and I don't think anyone on these boards know what Scum Generic looks like.
Zalak
Smash Lord
so if this was intentional, generic clearly isn't afraid to go after maven because he thinks he's an easy target.
This post doesn't make any sense to me. What do you mean by "this" and where do you get the idea from that he considers Maven an easy target?
Zalak
Smash Lord
This meaning generic operating with false logic. If Generic is intentionally not playing truthfully, and trying to twist things, I would guess that Generic tried to put Maven in hot water because he thought it would be easy. Probably because everyone was posting opinions about the interaction between me and mav at the time, and it was kinda the hot topic.This post doesn't make any sense to me. What do you mean by "this" and where do you get the idea from that he considers Maven an easy target?
Orboknown
Smash Hero
Im gonna get to tjis tonight
Sorry guys
Sorry guys
Zalak
Smash Lord
LIKE, IF HE WAS INTENTIONALLY BEING SNEAKY V.S HIM NOT PAYING ATTENTION
Orboknown
Smash Hero
Only sith speak in absolutes
does that make him scummy, or just misguided?Mafia has precious little to do with fairness though. I mean, I'll have to accept your answer but I think your thought process behind the whole thing is flaws. If you're given the power to bypass a town's ****tyness then compromising on it is the wrong approach.
the paper trailnof seeing where peoples heads are at in a (maybe not convrete cuz kingmaker but paper mache model at least) manner helps in a later Day
Orboknown
Smash Hero
Yeah I'm scraping this put. Kinda mfeel like garbage but i said id do it so i am
Orboknown
Smash Hero
Why did you ask maven specifically here?I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR EVERYONE ELSE'S OPINION ON THAT THOUGH.
What do you think of the risk I mentioned? Do you think it's that big a deal?
whats even the point of saying this...
Like
Theres no benefit to saying this as its such an obvious, empty thing.
Orboknown
Smash Hero
Dislike generics ****non p5 but gheb and j hashed that over already
Zalak
Smash Lord
It's something I considered doing at first, so I worried others might have as well
because I had already gotten a negative reaction from him about my idea, but he hadn't made a stance on whether or not the risks were a big deal
Orboknown
Smash Hero
I'm gonna hit p6 and anything new tomorrow. I have to be up early to do **** and i already feel like (expletive)
Maven89
Smash Master
I didn't say I wouldn't, I said I wasn't sure if I'd do it now if I was king. Without votes it was my way of expressing my scum reads in a strong manner.
Maven89
Smash Master
Also at the time I didn't realize the mafia had a nightkill and thought this game was only going to have executes.
That would be dumb because then we could roleclaim and have a group of confirmed townies for the rest of the game.
But why would he think that going after Maven is easier than going after you? You've seen how the argument went. How people were siding with Maven's points over yours ... yeah, the argument between you two is not a big thing in itself but if Generic wanted to go after who he perceived as the easier target I still think he would've gone after you and not Maven. You get where I'm coming from?