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[Teczer0]

Oh I see, thanks.

Well off the top of my head Falco's nuetral air comes to mind.

His nair?... really?

Well I can only think of falco's f-tilt atm and I'm not even sure if thats a good poke.

Then again I don't play

 

[Inui]

Que?? Como estas?? lol!!

For the first one, I don't know exactly what you mean by pokes, but obviously his walking chaingrab is his best factor due to it's inescapability and damage, no question.

Frame advantage from a silent laser?? Wtf is that?? lol, I don't need to know that **** to kick a$$ as already shown. If it would make me a better player I would like to learn this.

Frame advantage pretty much explains itself.

ROFLMAO YOU DON'T KNOW ANY REAL FIGHTING GAME TERMS

His chaingrab is not a poke. A poke would be his jab or f-tilt, for instance.

Frame advantage doesn't even exist in Smash. Can you explain what it really means, though?

Spam is flippin amazing, there are very few people who were able to take a tourney set from him in both Melee and Brawl. But honestly, I don't think it's impossible for any NJ ranker ranked below him.

I don't think it's possible for anyone below me to beat Kashif.

 

[Emblem Lord]

How is it that Teczero knows more about your main then you do Keitaro.

WTF!!!!

 

[Keitaro]

I've always been one to not know fighting terms or find out about techniques late, ya'll should already know this

 

[_Yes!_]

Eh don't worry about it keit, I dunno any of those words either, besides pokes and iasa frames. Smash is the only fighting game i got competitive in.

 

[Eazy23]

Its not to say that knowing these terms is what makes you a good player. It just shows that you have taken a mature approach to the game and getting better. Keitaro obviously does pretty well regardless of what he knows and doesnt know. However, if he were to take the time and change his mentality towards the game, his natural talent(which has gotten him where he is in brawl and melee) coupled with his new mentality would result in a much better player.

This is what I've been trying to say for sometime. Having actual knowledge on the basic principles of smash or any fighter would help def help you in your knowledge of match ups and would provide a more realistic approach to the game.

Im not bashing you Keit or anything, I'm actually impressed that you've gotten as far as you have in both game with limited knowledge. But I see much more potential in you, so you should def take the time to actually KNOW what is going on. Gimmicks will only get you so far, and will really only work against players who arent actively thinking.

 

[Crizthakidd]

is falcos best poke his AAA ?

silent lazers give zero lag and can be followed up by boost upsmash?

i was answering ELs questions in my mind before i thought about it and saw keitaro didint know wtf its so funny. i dont know anything beyong the top chars. is knowing ALL the characters extra benefit?

 

[Keitaro]

Falco's AAA is punishable by a grab after the first and second hit actually. Atomsk has punished me for it so many times that I rarely use it now.

I get what you saying Eazy. You've always said that I tend to not learn things like matchups and basic techniques but I'm trying. I just need to do more smash research.

 

[Pierce7d]

btw, I'm pretty sure Silent Laser does have frame advantage. Just sayin.

EDIT: I read the last page. I think it's +3 frame advantage

 

[Teczer0]

How is it that Teczero knows more about your main then you do Keitaro.

WTF!!!!

LOL

Yeauzzz I know more about brawl falco than Keitaro XD.

I'm either amazing or Keitaro fails.

Or both

 

[_Yes!_]

Tec0 is so good, he should play brawl fo realz... xD tec0 is the new brawllover

 

[Teczer0]

Tec0 is so good, he should play brawl fo realz... xD tec0 is the new brawllover

LOL........

I do play brawl fo realz =D

I can play "Run and Shield with the Penguin"

 

[BUM163]

Bx weekly thread updated in regards to the crew war. check it out.

 

[Keitaro]

LOL

Yeauzzz I know more about brawl falco than Keitaro XD.

I'm either amazing or Keitaro fails.

Or both

lol, quiet you!!

I'll mm any Falco player in Falco dittos except Teh Spamerer cause he cheats.

 

[Eazy23]

Sure I accept.

 

[Keitaro]

Aight, well I wanna do it with Spam again because I think I may be able to cg better this time. Best of 5's!!!!

 

[Inui]

btw, I'm pretty sure Silent Laser does have frame advantage. Just sayin.

EDIT: I read the last page. I think it's +3 frame advantage

Something in Smash has legit frame advantage?

 

[teh_spamerer]

Something in Smash has legit frame advantage?

How about EVERYTHING in Smash 64?

Then there's other stuff like multishining. If Fox is multishining your shield at the fastest possible speed, there is only a single frame when you are not in shieldstun between each shine. Theoretically you have a frame to act. However, you cannot punish it with anything. You can't roll because unless your roll is invincible on Frame 1 you'll get hit, you can't jump out of shield(shine out of shield hits on frame 5 cuz first four frames are spent on JCing it) Maybe Bowser can, I don't remember when he's invincible though his up b might just clank with the next shine.

Falco's multishining done at the fastest possible speed gives you 2 frames to act after one shine hits before the next. That's better though poor Foxy doesn't get I frames on his roll until frame 4.

 

[Magus420]

Then there's other stuff like multishining. If Fox is multishining your shield at the fastest possible speed, there is only a single frame when you are not in shieldstun between each shine. Theoretically you have a frame to act. However, you cannot punish it with anything. You can't roll because unless your roll is invincible on Frame 1 you'll get hit, you can't jump out of shield(shine out of shield hits on frame 5 cuz first four frames are spent on JCing it) Maybe Bowser can, I don't remember when he's invincible though his up b might just clank with the next shine.

That only applies to the 1st shine which is grounded. When you shine in the air to JC shine you need to fall for ~4 frames before you touch the ground and can jump/shine again. While you can't roll between 1 & 2 if done perfectly, you can roll between any of the ones after that.

Falco's multishining done at the fastest possible speed gives you 2 frames to act after one shine hits before the next. That's better though poor Foxy doesn't get I frames on his roll until frame 4.

Same thing here. They can roll. Falco's shine has **** for range anyway, so they could most likely roll away even in your example with just 2 to act, because while they don't actually get invincibility until the 4th they do move away during the startup.

 

[ZoSo]

Wait, you actually leave the ground during a JC Shine?

Magus, I was really looking forward to meeting you at the last biweekly and you didn't go.

 

[teh_spamerer]

That only applies to the 1st shine which is grounded. When you shine in the air to JC shine you need to fall for ~4 frames before you touch the ground and can jump/shine again. While you can't roll between 1 & 2 if done perfectly, you can roll between any of the ones after that.

Fox Multishining:


1 Shine, Hitlag
2 Hitlag
3 Hitlag
4 Hitlag
5
6
7 Start Jump
8
9
10 Airborne, Shine, Hitlag
11 Hitlag
12 Hitlag
13 Hitlag
14
15
16 Land, Start Jump
17
18
19 Airborne, Shine

It looks like between the second and the third shine there is only one frame where they aren't in shieldstun.

Same thing here. They can roll. Falco's shine has **** for range anyway, so they could most likely roll away even in your example with just 2 to act, because while they don't actually get invincibility until the 4th they do move away during the startup.

Falco's Multishining


1 Shine, Hitlag
2 Hitlag
3 Hitlag
4 Hitlag
5 Hitlag
6
7
8 Start Jump
9
10
11
12
13 Airborne, shine, Hitlag
14 Hitlag
15 Hitlag
16 Hitlag
17 Hitlag
18
19
20 Land, Start Jump for repeat
21
22
23
24
25 Airborne, Shine, Hitlag

Same thing here . Except , poor Falco can't multishine unless he's on top of them.

 

[Magus420]

That info is incorrect. JC shine cycles take 8 frames with Fox, and 10-11 including hitlag. The only way it's faster is if you are going up a steep slope. If you try to rejump at the times listed there you will mid-air jump.

@Zoso: I haven't really had the extra money to get to much of anything recently that isn't close by =/

 

[teh_spamerer]

That info is incorrect. JC shine cycles take 8 frames with Fox, and 10-11 including hitlag. The only way it's faster is if you are going up a steep slope. If you try to rejump at the times listed there you will mid-air jump.

I thought when you JC shined you didn't actually leave the ground.

 

[Magus420]

You shine on the 1st air frame but you still lift off the ground from the jump at the same time. If it worked like that where it prevented you from going upwards entirely for that frame you'd also be able to horizontal wavedash on flat ground as well.

 

[teh_spamerer]

You shine on the 1st air frame but you still lift off the ground from the jump at the same time. If it worked like that where it prevented you from going upwards entirely for that frame you'd also be able to horizontal wavedash on flat ground as well.

It takes longer than six frames to land if you shine on the first frame of jumping? That's fawken weird.

 

[Ryan-K]

 

[Magus420]

3 - Jump Startup
1 - Shine (if it hits then 3 or 4 instead depending on how stale it is)
3 - Fall
1 - Touch Ground
(repeat)

 

[Pierce7d]

Since we're getting technical, what you're describing is not a frame advantage, but a frame trap anyway. Since your opponent actually does get +1 frame, you do not get frame advantage. It is a frame trap though, because your opponent can't do anything in 1 frame. Many moves in Brawl and Melee have frame traps, I would just imagine that multishining is the best one, and can virtually be considered frame advatage, because hey, who's keeping score anyway?

 

[teh_spamerer]

3 - Jump Startup
1 - Shine (if it hits then 3 or 4 instead depending on how stale it is)
3 - Fall
1 - Touch Ground
(repeat)

Wouldn't that mean Fox's multishining has 2 frames when you're not in hitstun between each shine? That's still enough, mirite?

@Pierce - I never said it was frame advantage.

 

[Teczer0]

Wouldn't that mean Fox's multishining has 2 frames when you're not in hitstun between each shine? That's still enough, mirite?

@Pierce - I never said it was frame advantage.

Where are you?

I wanna CG with Pichu too .

 

[Crizthakidd]

when u perfect shield something in brawl is there anything the opponent can do that will beat ur attack or grab out of shield? lol maybe its my slow reaction time or i think too slow on deciding whats the best attack i should have it planned beforehand but theres very few times where i KNOW ima perfect shield something.

like mks upair. is there a way to perfect shield 3 of them in a row?? awlays happens on BF and im just want frame data on how fast shields drop before u can do something O.o

 

[teh_spamerer]

Where are you?

I wanna CG with Pichu too .

You should probably bring your Melee disc to college and not just Brawl if you want to CG with Pichu

 

[Teczer0]

You should probably bring your Melee disc to college and not just Brawl if you want to CG with Pichu

I lost my melee disk T__________T.

Or else I would be practicing random stuff for no reason T_T.

 

[Pierce7d]

@Pierce - I never said it was frame advantage.

Touche, but it's still important for those who aren't savvy of the contents of your conversation to not get confused if they were trying to learn something.

when u perfect shield something in brawl is there anything the opponent can do that will beat ur attack or grab out of shield?

I HEARD that "Perfect shield is 2 frames." I'm assuming this to mean that shielding comes out on frame 1, and the shield drop is allowed from frame 1 if PSed. I don't know if this is really true though.

Of course, if your opponent isn't in cool down, they could still use an attack fast enough to beat out whatever you throw, or if you throw a fast attack, throw up in shield. Generally, they'll still be in cool-down though. Course, generally, people don't PS and then immediately jab.

 

[Magus420]

Wouldn't that mean Fox's multishining has 2 frames when you're not in hitstun between each shine? That's still enough, mirite?

It's 3 if mostly fresh and 4 if it's stale enough. Like I said before, you can roll out of it.

 

[Keitaro]

Team MOB's 5th Money Minitournament - $2.00 dollars

We are having another mini tournament/smashfest this Thursday at RU again. I think it's at Yes's place this time. Price for entry is $2.00 due to popular request. Be there or be sqaure!!

 

[Eazy23]

why do u think its at my place, when it was never discussed?

edit-just realized today was Wednesday lol

 

[Wolydarg]

Going to be at a dinner this thursday. Someone from MOB can swing by and pick up my setup if they want, but I'll try to show up between 7~8~9sh.

 

[MalcolmM]

yooooo im in jersey for the weekend. which begins on thursday 4 me so where is this team mob business bein held @? lol

 

[_Yes!_]

Malcolm :D It's at Rutgers dude. Address is

103 Davidson Road, Piscatawy NJ

You better be here!

Also, since it's at my dorm, PLEASE BRING TV's people. That includes you EL if you're coming