Xyro77
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yea ill give him another shot. i hope it works
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R.O.B. Metagame Development thread
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Either you have no clue about how poor Samus's kill options are, or you're being sarcastic.
R.O.B. kills earlier than Samus but its kill moves are harder to set up.
6Mizu
Smash Champion
Meh.....sarcasim. LOL
BTW Xyro you have a great Samus.
BTW Xyro you have a great Samus.
Xyro77
Unity Ruleset Committee Member
Thank you for the samus comment, it means alot. I guess i gave up to early. The Green Lesbot will become good!!!
6Mizu
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Good I hate seeing people quit there "original" main for "better" characters.....cause they think that there "character sucks" or they have "no potential or meta-game".
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This is some great meta-game...
6Mizu
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Like your sarcasim. -.-
+ how would you no where we are headed in our meta game
+ how would you no where we are headed in our meta game
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I was pointing out that you were off-topic. I do that for my threads on the Lucas boards.
6Mizu
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Ahh....I see.
Well, I mean help some one w/ there rob.....so it's not that far off topic.
Well, I mean help some one w/ there rob.....so it's not that far off topic.
CJTHeroofTime
Smash Lord
Shielding/spacing?
GwJ
Smash Hero
Don't approach.
Sudai
Stuff here
Space FTilt or FSmash him when he tries to NAir you.
6Mizu
Smash Champion
It'll take time to do thid but do not approach, learn to camp Lucas....yes it's possible. When he does get close and you get N-aired....depending on where he lands use D-tilt,F-tilt, or D-smash to punish. Don't DI up you'll get U-tilted.
It's that simple for the N-air atleast.....I could write a lot mo' but this isn't the MU thread. Plus you can trust what I say because I fight the MU against RocketPSIence....every weekend.
Also if this doesn't work then you'll have to find your own little tricks to get around it.
So, we have some interesting things that could be listed on the OP.
New R.O.B. Tech Revisited.
Video(What Pick Random wanted to show, but using a Gyro).
Easy way to set up Dtilt lock.
Video(It's not what Pick Random mentioned, but you could list both ways on the OP).
Air Releasing.
New R.O.B. Tech Revisited.
Video(What Pick Random wanted to show, but using a Gyro).
Easy way to set up Dtilt lock.
Video(It's not what Pick Random mentioned, but you could list both ways on the OP).
Air Releasing.
6Mizu
Smash Champion
Updated!
There's also this thread. By the way, I would like to discuss some of ROB's OoS options. We already had this discussion before, but it would be nice to have it in this thred, too. I know it's simples, so it wouldn't hurt discussing.
- Dsmash;
- Fsmash;
- Jump plus Aerial;
- ...
- Dsmash;
- Fsmash;
- Jump plus Aerial;
- ...
Sudai
Stuff here
-Jump Airdodge
-Spot Dodge Shield
-Spot Dodge Grab
-Grab
-Spot Dodge Jump Aerial
-Spot Dodge Jump Dodge
Too many to list. lol
I personally like FSmash, DSmash, DTilt, FTilt, UTilt (rather situational), and Spot Dodge Grab.
-Spot Dodge Shield
-Spot Dodge Grab
-Grab
-Spot Dodge Jump Aerial
-Spot Dodge Jump Dodge
Too many to list. lol
I personally like FSmash, DSmash, DTilt, FTilt, UTilt (rather situational), and Spot Dodge Grab.
6Mizu
Smash Champion
Sudai's right. I think it's too situational and nobody's gonna wanna learn it.
Silhouette
Smash Lord
More importantly you can glidetoss OoS
diddys use it a ton, its an amazing punisher.
diddys use it a ton, its an amazing punisher.
Trillest
Smash Ace
Gt out of shield is beastly
Also Sil your sig should be "Stay classy rob mains"
Also Sil your sig should be "Stay classy rob mains"
6Mizu
Smash Champion
All characters with good GT use it, not only Diddys.
Megavitamins
Smash Champion
So what can Rob do vs Metaknight? More specifically nado...
Sudai
Stuff here
FSmash from the side. Laser from wherever you can hit it. Gyro with half charge. NAir from above (only the first and last parts of the hitbox). FAir from -just- above and to the side of the nado (Aka you just SDI'd out). BAir in a similar situation as FAir.
Really though, the only way to hit a smart MK in nado is to let it hit you then SDI and F/N/BAir.
A smart MK will nado too close for you to reaction laser/gyro/fsmash and won't let anyone get above the center of the tornado if it's the best position for that character to knock the MK out of his tornado (like it is for us, well...slightly to the side of the center, but yeah). That leaves us with BAir, NAir, and FAir from above.
FAir: Risky, hard to hit, least damage of the three.
NAir: Risky, hard to hit space since it has a lot of start-up lag and MK can move so you hit the side of the top (and thus get pulled in) or just rise to hit you before the hitbox comes out/while the hitbox isn't at the bottom of ROB.
BAir: Slightly better version of FAir as far as it's usage against nado is concerned.
Sooooo, you'rre looking at NAir, but even that isn't too good. I prolly missed some situational/silly ones, but that's what I got for you.
Really though, the only way to hit a smart MK in nado is to let it hit you then SDI and F/N/BAir.
A smart MK will nado too close for you to reaction laser/gyro/fsmash and won't let anyone get above the center of the tornado if it's the best position for that character to knock the MK out of his tornado (like it is for us, well...slightly to the side of the center, but yeah). That leaves us with BAir, NAir, and FAir from above.
FAir: Risky, hard to hit, least damage of the three.
NAir: Risky, hard to hit space since it has a lot of start-up lag and MK can move so you hit the side of the top (and thus get pulled in) or just rise to hit you before the hitbox comes out/while the hitbox isn't at the bottom of ROB.
BAir: Slightly better version of FAir as far as it's usage against nado is concerned.
Sooooo, you'rre looking at NAir, but even that isn't too good. I prolly missed some situational/silly ones, but that's what I got for you.
6Mizu
Smash Champion
I knew this, I was playing MK against my Lvl. 9 Comp....and it jumped and used ROB's Side-b. I was like...O.o
Believe it or not...A lot of things can hit through Nado... but it very rarely happens.
stingers
Smash Obsessed
well anything that hits the weak spot in the top center goes through...which is why bair and nair and sometimes fair work
Mr.E
Smash Lord
FAir works about as well as laser does against reflectors. Then again, once I accidentally broke it with UAir after SDI-ing out of the top.
6Mizu
Smash Champion
It's best to use F-smash, Nair, Bair, and Laser to stop Nado. Anything else ROB does will get eaten by it.
stingers
Smash Obsessed
walk away fsmash is the best option.
if they're too close for you to fsmash then just shield and pray
if they're too close for you to fsmash then just shield and pray
RogueThunder
Smash Rookie
A really nice OoS option I've found is a retreating fair. With z jump and cstick set to smashes: Oos Z while holding back on control stick> forward cstick= ROB jumps back but fair whatever is infront of him. This can be SH'd or FH'd, and followed by lasor or gyro (its also good for hit and run appoaches as it can be done from a dash)There's also this thread. By the way, I would like to discuss some of ROB's OoS options. We already had this discussion before, but it would be nice to have it in this thred, too. I know it's simples, so it wouldn't hurt discussing.
- Dsmash;
- Fsmash;
- Jump plus Aerial;
- ...
Since AiB is down, I'm paying a visit to Smashboards this morning.
Here's a few things I keep in mind against the Mach Tornado:
When using F-Smash it's best to Stutter-step back right before using it, giving you some space.
Yes, everything that can reach down into the top will hit MK out of the nado. It takes not only good timing, but a given opportunity to do so.
Usually I get caught up in the Tornado simply because I use a F-Tilt right before he starts it up, the two attacks Clash, then the multi-hit on the nado sucks me in. This also happens on aerials.
Watch for them baiting air-dodges when they're below you, they'll 'nado. It's safe for MK to do so in this situation because if you attack it will hit you as well.
Try footstool jumping off the top of the Tornado.
When Shielding the Tornado, go for a Perfect Shield on the first hit, then angle it up. This will keep it from getting eaten and you getting stabbed. A Perfect Shield to rolling Dodge will also work. After you've Shielded it, a D-Smash is a good counter attack, as they can DI behind you and get away from a F-Smash. Get ready to follow their SDI if they pop out of your D-Smash, you may have to turn and attack (a Jab will be effective because it's quick and sets up for Grab or D-Tilt).
Lasers generally will not work against smart Tornados... MK will use it in situations as I've outlined above. They generally do not start the 'nado across the stage and come at you, which is exactly what you'll need in order to hit with that nearly 30-frame startup for a Laser. Best to jump high, when they see you've evaded their Mach Tornado by jumping they will pull back with it, then unleashe the laser.
Here's a few things I keep in mind against the Mach Tornado:
When using F-Smash it's best to Stutter-step back right before using it, giving you some space.
Yes, everything that can reach down into the top will hit MK out of the nado. It takes not only good timing, but a given opportunity to do so.
Usually I get caught up in the Tornado simply because I use a F-Tilt right before he starts it up, the two attacks Clash, then the multi-hit on the nado sucks me in. This also happens on aerials.
Watch for them baiting air-dodges when they're below you, they'll 'nado. It's safe for MK to do so in this situation because if you attack it will hit you as well.
Try footstool jumping off the top of the Tornado.
When Shielding the Tornado, go for a Perfect Shield on the first hit, then angle it up. This will keep it from getting eaten and you getting stabbed. A Perfect Shield to rolling Dodge will also work. After you've Shielded it, a D-Smash is a good counter attack, as they can DI behind you and get away from a F-Smash. Get ready to follow their SDI if they pop out of your D-Smash, you may have to turn and attack (a Jab will be effective because it's quick and sets up for Grab or D-Tilt).
Lasers generally will not work against smart Tornados... MK will use it in situations as I've outlined above. They generally do not start the 'nado across the stage and come at you, which is exactly what you'll need in order to hit with that nearly 30-frame startup for a Laser. Best to jump high, when they see you've evaded their Mach Tornado by jumping they will pull back with it, then unleashe the laser.
stingers
Smash Obsessed
can you aerial short hop footstool? that might be interesting and i've never thought of that before.