R.I.P. Kjell Anders "Nappy" Peterson.

[Underload]

So who else is hyped for HG / SS?

CHIKORITA IS TOO GOOD!!

 

[Eternal Yoshi]

Umm.....
I like Totodile, unless it's crystal.
Then I pick Cyndaquil.

I never pick Chickorita during any of my runs because She is at a disadvantage against most of Johto's gyms. Reflect helps this issue somewhat against the first two gyms.

Flying = SE
Bug = resistance to grass attacks + SE
Ghosts(Ecruteak gym''s ghosts) = resistant to grass attacks AND normal attacks
Steel = Resistant to grass attacks
Ice = SE
Dragon = resistant to grass attacks

 

[SuSa]

I just realized something...

M2K said he'd quit if MK was banned.

M2K comes to large WC tourneys.
M2K normally wins or places well in those.

By banning MK, I am essentially banning M2K

I just became pro-ban.

Oh****!

 

[Tennet]

The argument convinced me to be pro. I wouldn't mind seeing what M2K would do if he came back to marth

 

[Sukai]

Lol, Underload.

Also, can anyone rate my Snake please? Sorry for the annoying yelling from me. I was using my Asian accent the entire time. ;O

You need to focus more on what you're doing instead of tossing random grenades and neutral airs.

 

[Underload]

M2K won't quit, he's winning too much money

But MK isn't going to get banned, the SBR isn't that stupid

 

[nevershootme]

-banning mk = banning m2k... interesting

-banning mk = banning all players who try to use mk after they lose their 1st match... that pissed me off since may

-banning mk = banning players who switch to mk on certain stages (Delfino, halberd, frigate)... yea my friend does that

-banning mk = banning players who switch to mk just to face ddd... um what?

-banning mk = banning scrubs using mk... yes i hate scrubs. scrubby dub dub dub

what huge egos people have nowadays

 

[Underload]

Quote me on this:

Brawl is dead if MK is banned

But if someone can tell me how MK is broken I might change my mind. The only reason any character should be banned is because he's outright broken. MK isn't broken imo

 

[Sukai]

He's not broken, just overpowered.

Low frame count, combos, early kills/gimps, ******** (good) spacing, no bad match ups, Mach Tornado.
His only really weakness is his weight.

 

[SuSa]

I also made my point that no MK = more Olimar/D3/Falco/Marth.

As a Snake main.

I don't want more of the first 2.

 

[nevershootme]

I also made my point that no MK = more Olimar/D3/Falco/Marth.

As a Snake main.

I don't want more of the first 2.

I don't want all 4 >_>

 

[Tennet]

MOAR MARF!

Spoiler

caps

 

[Sukai]

At least they have bad match ups.

 

[SuSa]

Falco isn't bad for Snake, I think I'll make a Sparksnote of the matchup or something.. seriously.... strike Yoshi's and Lylat, then crouch.... he'll mixup is spacing to bait you... stay crouched.. he ****s up his spacing to bait you, react and hit him. Then crouch. Do this... all..match...long...

Marth is my personal "**** this" matchup. <_< I just get wrecked by Marth's no matter what character I play as.. except Marth dittos -_- which I **** the other Marth in.. it's weird.

Olimar is stupid.

D3 you must win games 1 and 3 otherwise you lose. (You should be losing on his CP, even if you ban Delfino)

 

[Sukai]

I handle Dededes with Fox.
It's pretty even in my opinion.

 

[Underload]

Yeah so who countered Sheik in Melee again? I forget.

*sits and waits for replies from Brawl players unfamiliar with Melee matchups*

 

[SuSa]

Mewtwo, no ****..... Mewtwo countered everyone

(Fox)

Yeah so who countered Marth in Melee again? I forget.

*sits and waits for Underload to reply*

 

[Sukai]

Sheik is considered Marth's counter.
And Fox is considered Sheik's counter.

 

[Underload]

People need to bring up past bans in discussions like this.

I can't think of any. Pro-ban really has no solid evidence that MK is broken (the only reason he should be banned)

Also, Sheik counters Marth

Lol SuSa that's funny that you're parodying what I just typed, ahahahahaha that's funny

(starts debate)

 

[nevershootme]

uh.. not the falco's i've played against as snake...

you know what's ****ed up with falco...

LASER INTO ****ING PIVOT GRAB ONCE HE TOUCHES THE GROUND.

 

[Sukai]

Wasn't MK banned in Italy?

 

[nevershootme]

Wasn't MK banned in Italy?

it was a poll...not an official ban, if it was then there would be a thread out there

 

[SuSa]

uh.. not the falco's i've played against as snake...

you know what's ****ed up with falco...

LASER INTO ****ING PIVOT GRAB ONCE HE TOUCHES THE GROUND.

[color="CEFC78']Crouch. Laser means nothing now.

Dtilt clank his approach, then reverse ftilt (if IAP)
If he approaches within dtilt range, don't dtilt. Be smart about it. They'll normally shield to try and shield grab.

Boost grab from crouch.

Auto-win.
[/color]

 

[Darkshadow7827]

^Fail colored font By the way SuSa, do you still use the tag Havok? I was watching some matches and it was Havok (MK) + Hall (Snake) vs Ally (Beast) + M2K (Beast) and I didn't think it was you...

 

[SuSa]

Havok is San Diego Havok, PR'd in SoCal.

I gave the tag to him because:

1) AFAIK he had it first
2) He was simply the better player at the time, and may very well still be the better player

 

[nevershootme]

lol... easy said than done in a real match... try dodging that tactic with instant reaction and up in his face while running

 

[Sukai]

If you can properly read your opponent, it shouldn't be too hard to react accordingly.

 

[SuSa]

lol... easy said than done in a real match... try dodging that tactic with instant reaction and up in his face while running

1) Why are you up in his face
2) Seriously, play the matchup really gay like I do.


I've had 1 Falco completely rapesauce me. That was TKO from A2, the same clan I am in.

It was online.

Input lag bad enough for me not to be able to time dtilt.

He 2 stocked me.

1 Falco... out of 29.............. 18 of which I 3 stocked.

1) Falco cannot deal damage if he is not hitting you with lasers/blowing your grenades up in your face/hand
2) Falco cannot approach you
3) Falco cannot reliably kill you unless you are stupid

Crouch to force an eventually approach (no one will sit there for 8 minutes)
When you are able to punish his approach, do so. (You now have the lead)
Crouch to force an approach that WILL happen otherwise he loses.
Repeat.

/has JV 4 stocked 3 of those 18..

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

1) Why are you up in his face
2) Seriously, play the matchup really gay like I do.


I've had 1 Falco completely rapesauce me. That was TKO from A2, the same clan I am in.

It was online.

Input lag bad enough for me not to be able to time dtilt.

He 2 stocked me.

1 Falco... out of 29.............. 18 of which I 3 stocked.

1) Falco cannot deal damage if he is not hitting you with lasers/blowing your grenades up in your face/hand
2) Falco cannot approach you
3) Falco cannot reliably kill you unless you are stupid

Crouch to force an eventually approach (no one will sit there for 8 minutes)
When you are able to punish his approach, do so. (You now have the lead)
Crouch to force an approach that WILL happen otherwise he loses.
Repeat.

/has JV 4 stocked 3 of those 18..

You should name all 18 of those Falco's xD

 

[SuSa]

I keep track of names, not numbers.

Pretty sure you were one of them. haha.... but only when I was playing gay... XD which I hate to do in friendlies.

Most of the matches were in ladder, and many were only Falco secondaries who thought Falco + FD > Snake.

The idiots.

People should realize Falco + YI > Snake.

Because then Snake can't just crouch and ****ing ****...

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

I keep track of names, not numbers.

Pretty sure you were one of them. haha.... but only when I was playing gay... XD which I hate to do in friendlies.

Most of the matches were in ladder, and many were only Falco secondaries who thought Falco + FD > Snake.

The idiots.

People should realize Falco + YI > Snake.

Because then Snake can't just crouch and ****ing ****...

I blame my loses on the fact of SuSa Skill > Velox Skill. Heck, I don't care if I approach or not. I have to attack and kill you at some point. Trying to camp all day long won't solve anything. If I do get 3 stocked, *which I hardly ever remembering happening often* it's because I cannot kill you.

Perhaps SuSa = Falco Slayer xD

 

[SuSa]

I'm smart and just don't pull grenades when you pew-pew... lol

I just know that Falco only has like.. 3 good KO moves.. and they are also easy to avoid. This isn't counting the CG > spike....

1) Bair - which is almost never fresh, and it's pretty easy to DI a fresh one to live to like 150% if you know where to stay...
2) Fsmash - If you get hit by this, you got unlucky and were most likely hit by the hitbox at the back which is probably the weirdest sweetspot ever... this is the main way of me dying to Falco's. -_-
3) DACUS - You didn't know Falco can DACUS like 1/2 of ****ing FD (I still can't do that.. my DACUS goes like 1/2 as far as Velox's...) so you got hit by usmash... Once you learn the distance... this shouldn't be killing you.

... Sad truth......

Yet nooooo.. Falco: Snake is obviously Falco's advantage. *rolls eyes*

I think it may be because I haven't played Sk92 or something..

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

I'm smart and just don't pull grenades when you pew-pew... lol

I just know that Falco only has like.. 3 good KO moves.. and they are also easy to avoid. This isn't counting the CG > spike....

1) Bair - which is almost never fresh, and it's pretty easy to DI a fresh one to live to like 150% if you know where to stay...
2) Fsmash - If you get hit by this, you got unlucky and were most likely hit by the hitbox at the back which is probably the weirdest sweetspot ever... this is the main way of me dying to Falco's. -_-
3) DACUS - You didn't know Falco can DACUS like 1/2 of ****ing FD (I still can't do that.. my DACUS goes like 1/2 as far as Velox's...) so you got hit by usmash... Once you learn the distance... this shouldn't be killing you.

... Sad truth......

Yet nooooo.. Falco: Snake is obviously Falco's advantage. *rolls eyes*

I think it may be because I haven't played Sk92 or something..

I can never get the full distance of the DACUS all the time anyway. It's somewhere between being longer than a normal dash Usmash, and the 1/2 FD distance. I might blame wifi for that.

But yeah, Falco relies heavily upon the mistakes of the opponent to get the kill early. If anything, Falco can kill reliably once the opponent is put into and edgeguarding situation. Snake + high percents + recovery = KO chance. But that requires high percents in order to do.

But at least Falco can generate enough damage against snake + the ability to avoid enough damage that he can rack up damage against Snake faster. But the ratio of living to dying gets in the way. I'm convinced that it's 55:45 Snake. That's just me though.

 

[SuSa]

I personally say 60-40 Snake but would be called insane to do so. Also 5 magical bull**** points don't really matter. <_<

Also:

I just got infracted for trolling. I guess I'm no longer an STD/I (Smart Troll's Don't (get) Infracted)

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[nevershootme]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwFMklpKVy4

2-3 cases of the laser to boosted pivot grab

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

I personally say 60-40 Snake but would be called insane to do so. Also 5 magical bull**** points don't really matter. <_<

Also:

I just got infracted for trolling. I guess I'm no longer an STD/I (Smart Troll's Don't (get) Infracted)

1050909 lmao's

Your going to get 2 more points for posting his. As far as Mods go, you certainly need to work on your ability to "obey the rules" xD

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People might see it as that eventually. But as far as I can tell, your arguement revolves around the crouching position. Which solves one problem, but not all.

Snake percent leads = Falco has to approach. Offstage lasering doesn't do ****.
Falco percent lead = crouching rather pointless. Offstage lasering can hit you with it, and falco is winning, you cannot crouch forever.

So the way to deal with Snake in the crouching position is to simply walk right up to him. Walking gives falco all of his defence options during the event that Snake should decide to attack. That means we can punish Snake. If we try to attack him, he can punish us. All crouching does is put the match at a stalemate. That in itself means that both can equally punish the other depending upon who makes the first move. Do that pretty much the whole match you are stuck at 50-50. Advantage to snake just because he can kill earlier, and live longer.

 

[SuSa]

I need to edit that really fast. Forgot to edit what I got infracted for.... that was stupid.


Falco shouldn't get the % lead, that's my point.

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

I need to edit that really fast. Forgot to edit what I got infracted for.... that was stupid.


Falco shouldn't get the % lead, that's my point.

LMAO, You just made a scenario that is a paradox. Take this scenario of a battle. Both start at 0%. To get the lead would require you to attack. This means it's punishable by Falco. Meaning you might never get the percent lead making crouching pointless.

But if you crouch right away you are stuck at 0% on both sides where neither has the advantage. Making it seem more likely for Falco to approach. But he doesn't have to. He can just stay there all day. Thus the match could end in a dead draw.

I wonder what would happen if 2 idiots did that in a match. Waited the entire set and didnt' do anything xD They would probably be Disqualified. But then they couldn't be because there are no rules against it.

 

[SuSa]

You do not need to approach. You can end it as an 8 minute draw by simply crouching and the Falco never approaching either.

The Falco will try to space so that he is safer to approach, however we have options to all approaches. Therefore we should get the lead. I've never had a Falco try to out patience me. So truly I've never exactly seen what would actually happen. XD

Also thanks for reminding me to edit my post. lol

Also once Snake gets the lead, all he needs to do is crouch and you are forced to approach otherwise you lose. As stated, we have answers to your approaches.

You then rely on us ****ing up.

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

You do not need to approach. You can end it as an 8 minute draw by simply crouching and the Falco never approaching either.

The Falco will try to space so that he is safer to approach, however we have options to all approaches. Therefore we should get the lead. I've never had a Falco try to out patience me. So truly I've never exactly seen what would actually happen. XD

Also thanks for reminding me to edit my post. lol

Also once Snake gets the lead, all he needs to do is crouch and you are forced to approach otherwise you lose. As stated, we have answers to your approaches.

You then rely on us ****ing up.

Your welcome for the reminder.

Why are you saying "we" vs "your". I'M A SNAKE MAIN TOO

Hey SuSa. Next time we get into a match, I'll do just that. I'll try to test your patience. I'll play as gay as I possibly can.

But that will require much offstage lasering practice. Which I've not done much of. Congratulations SuSa. You have turned my Falco gay No one has every pushed me to do that.