R.I.P. Kjell Anders "Nappy" Peterson.

[SuSa]

The second you go offline to laser, you just lost your advantage of keeping me on pin down. You also just placed yourself in a horribad position.

Just thought I'd say that.

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

The second you go offline to laser, you just lost your advantage of keeping me on pin down. You also just placed yourself in a horribad position.

Just thought I'd say that.

Depends upon the distance. But at least we have discussed the snake/falco match-up so much we have reached a startling conclusion: Whichever side approahes ultimately will lose. So to avoid such equals only one thing.

The Snake and Falco MU is unwinnable by either side xD

 

[napZzz]

falco is just gay. Only thing snake has is the ability to not die and kill back early its balls otherwise

 

[SuSa]

You haven't really been reading.

PS:
Grenades have a better damage output, at your far distance you allow me to throw 1 grenade at you. What happens if you get hit?

If I'm not far and you edge laser, you get punished by something else. ^_^

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

You haven't really been reading.

PS:
Grenades have a better damage output, at your far distance you allow me to throw 1 grenade at you. What happens if you get hit?

If I'm not far and you edge laser, you get punished by something else. ^_^

Ok, SuSa, what happens becomes much like the match that Rain (Falco) and the other Japanese Snake did in that one camping fest. We just turn into a camping fest. But what happens if we don't move? That paradox returns.

Onto another topic, what do you think of the whole MK thing? I heard a bit about it earlier, but it didn't last long here.

Edit: I think I'll make a flowchart on this See where it leads.

 

[SuSa]

9B won that camping fest. Our damage output is simply better then lasers and wins in the long run (think stale moves. Your laser eventually does 2~% while our grenades will remain doing 7~%)

As for MK, I posted my thoughts.

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

9B won that camping fest. Our damage output is simply better then lasers and wins in the long run (think stale moves. Your laser eventually does 2~% while our grenades will remain doing 7~%)

As for MK, I posted my thoughts.

I forgot. What was the whole point to the discussion again xD I think we already agreed it was 55:45 Snake. I guess we were talking about a flow chart type scenarios xD

Battle SuSa. I'm bored. I want you to say to me: SuSan. (Shut up!. Suicide already n00b!)

 

[Sukai]

Is the match up really that controversial?

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

Is the match up really that controversial?

Sort of. It's one of those "who gets the proper advantage" type MUs. It's like debating who gets that final 5 points. xD

SuSa is adamant that's Snake's advantage. I agree. For the lulz I was throwing in counterarguments that made it seem like the match-up would become unwinnable. xD So really there is no controversy here. It's all in good fun.

 

[SuSa]

Most Falco's say 55:45 Falco.
Most Snake's say 55:45 Snake.

I say 60:40 Snake and up to 55:45 on Falco's CP.

But 55:45 is close enough to 60:40 and "5 magicall bull**** points" means nothing to me to argue over....

If my point was 65:35 or if people believed it was 50:50 I'd be arguing. but TBH opinions can sway 5 points up or 5 points down and as long as most agree on up or down. I don't care about those 5 points.

EDIT:
Velox, get on WiFi. Play gay against me and watch what happens.

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

Most Falco's say 55:45 Falco.
Most Snake's say 55:45 Snake.

I say 60:40 Snake and up to 55:45 on Falco's CP.

But 55:45 is close enough to 60:40 and "5 magicall bull**** points" means nothing to me to argue over....

If my point was 65:35 or if people believed it was 50:50 I'd be arguing. but TBH opinions can sway 5 points up or 5 points down and as long as most agree on up or down. I don't care about those 5 points.

EDIT:
Velox, get on WiFi. Play gay against me and watch what happens.

Get your wii on first, then get on wifi. I'm still waiting to see what happens Time is ticking hurry xD

 

[SuSa]

I'm already on WiFi...

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

I'm already on WiFi...

weird, it took forever for it to work. Get on AIM. That almost worked lol

I am LMAO SO MCUH.

IT FINALLY WORKED.

Bad DI on that mortar.

I really don't know how ot use Snake effectively against opponents that pressure. Actually, that is my weak point entirely. My reaction speed is so slow I cannot react to anything upclose.

ggs though. None thankfully 3 stocked and I at least won 2. That is all I can hope for xD

 

[SuSa]

I missed dtilting/powershielding your dash attack a lot because of WiFi.

I also forgot that when you approach, I don't have to try the 'safe' thing because I have the advantage. I'm allowed to punish you in other ways.

Also extreme LOL at the shine having a blindspot that a Nikita can go through. That was just stupid. XD

But as you saw.... 2 stocking due to playing gay except on PS1 which you beat me at because I was being stupid during some of those transitions. =p

Now if the Falco plays any less gay then you were trying to, I get a larger advantage XD

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

I missed dtilting/powershielding your dash attack a lot because of WiFi.

I also forgot that when you approach, I don't have to try the 'safe' thing because I have the advantage. I'm allowed to punish you in other ways.

Also extreme LOL at the shine having a blindspot that a Nikita can go through. That was just stupid. XD

But as you saw.... 2 stocking due to playing gay except on PS1 which you beat me at because I was being stupid during some of those transitions. =p

Now if the Falco plays any less gay then you were trying to, I get a larger advantage XD

And gay sort of works though xD Thanks for the matches, I need to play more of them.

 

[SuSa]

Also did I mention that offline it's really easy to tell a SHDL from an IAP or dash attack? Meaning I can almost always perfectly predict their approach. XD :3 icheat.

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

Also did I mention that offline it's really easy to tell a SHDL from an IAP or dash attack? Meaning I can almost always perfectly predict their approach. XD :3 icheat.

Enough of your greatness. It'll go to your head one day. But what can I say. I cannot say anything at all xD

SuSa reaction time on the lines of 1/10 of a second. Mine is like 1/4 of a second long. Reason why I'm not suited for melee. And apprently Brawl as well. I've some work to do. And SuSa... you have to... just keep doing what your doing xD

 

[SuSa]

Just watch their controller, instant 1/100th of a second reaction time.
Because you see it before any animation actually begins.

LOL

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

Just watch their controller, instant 1/100th of a second reaction time.
Because you see it before any animation actually begins.

LOL

But this is not offline is it You have no excuse there.

 

[Zajice]

Hamtaro died.

 

[Sukai]

Hamtaro died.

What about the rest of them?
Are they dead too!?
:D

 

[Zajice]

Not yet, but numbers are dwindling.

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

Apprently there was a huge reproduction rate. But I guess now they have started dying off. Hamsters apprently have a lifespan of only a few days.

 

[Zajice]

Nah. They all got AIDS. That's all.

 

[etecoon]

But if someone can tell me how MK is broken I might change my mind. The only reason any character should be banned is because he's outright broken. MK isn't broken imo

play me on wifi it's a fun and educational experience

for real I'm neutral on the ban, it'd suck to lose a character I've worked on for over a year but I can see where he treads very close to the line. If he did get banned I'd probably give up snake and start totally from scratch though, or maybe just quit the game.

I also made my point that no MK = more Olimar/D3/Falco/Marth.

As a Snake main.

I don't want more of the first 2.

yes, and I think falco and marth are only a little easier if at all than MK, particularly marth, I actually don't really think of falco as that bad and I never really have. so far this season on AiB the highest ranked player I've beaten was a falco...helped that I was already playing velox earlier that day, already was in the right frame of mind for it I just had to get gayer <_<

Marth is my personal "**** this" matchup. <_< I just get wrecked by Marth's no matter what character I play as.. except Marth dittos -_- which I **** the other Marth in.. it's weird.

almost the same but I do well with MK and a few others, my snake does a lot worse vs marth than MK for some reason...

Havok is San Diego Havok, PR'd in SoCal.

I gave the tag to him because:

1) AFAIK he had it first
2) He was simply the better player at the time, and may very well still be the better player

I still call you havokk in my inner monologue...but yeah, havok is goood, I watched his recent set where he beat DSF earlier today, I still think marth is underrated because MK beats him and is like a better version of him, top 3 character if MK is banned IMO(I doubt it will happen but just saying).

I've had 1 Falco completely rapesauce me. That was TKO from A2, the same clan I am in.

It was online.

Input lag bad enough for me not to be able to time dtilt.

He 2 stocked me.

1 Falco... out of 29.............. 18 of which I 3 stocked.

do you keep a log of every game you play <_<

susa probably has an excel sheet he keeps this **** recorded on o_O

Pretty sure you were one of them. haha.... but only when I was playing gay... XD which I hate to do in friendlies.

I try not to play too gay in friendlies and I still get called the gayest MK ever <_< really my ultra gay side mostly only sees the light of day if I see ice climbers come out, I don't care if I'm facing an innocent little kid that doesn't even know how to chain grab, they're in for 8 minutes of hell.

I seem to do the MK/Wario style of gay more naturally than snake, I leave myself open too much when I camp with snake, I need to work on my spacing :/

SuSa reaction time on the lines of 1/10 of a second. Mine is like 1/4 of a second long. Reason why I'm not suited for melee. And apprently Brawl as well. I've some work to do. And SuSa... you have to... just keep doing what your doing xD

I have horrible reaction time, I just try to predict everything that happens, if I reacted on everything I'd lose a lot worse than I do :p

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

I feel honored that my name was mentioned. Thanks ete-kun.

*reads only gay against ICs*

You call that gay? That's not gay at all. That's avoiding the CG and playing smart. And not being on idiot. Gay is anything that you take to stall the match in my books. And I mean purposefully stalling. Planking I don't mind so much. At least you can try to punish that with Snake. The thing I really at is stalling using stages. Although that only happens on stages that are banned.

 

[etecoon]

INTERESTING DEVELOPMENT: http://allisbrawl.com/blogpost.aspx?id=29137

this made me rofl

edit:

You call that gay? That's not gay at all. That's avoiding the CG and playing smart. And not being on idiot. Gay is anything that you take to stall the match in my books. And I mean purposefully stalling. Planking I don't mind so much. At least you can try to punish that with Snake. The thing I really at is stalling using stages. Although that only happens on stages that are banned.

we played one game in that matchup and I didn't perceive your IC's as being a huge threat by comparison to your falco/snake, I will literally do nothing but run away against IC's if I feel like I should. MK may be the closest to being ban worthy and maybe a few others are better characters, but no character will ever earn the sheer hatred I have for IC's and olimar. ever.

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

And the ironic thing is that you main someone that should easily beat the ICs.

 

[etecoon]

And the ironic thing is that you main someone that should easily beat the ICs.

I play several characters that counter IC's even : p I just don't like them.

MK ban threads are annoying because I feel compelled to read all of them and yet there are always a million pages of spam nonsense and redundant posts <_<

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

I have finally experienced the **** that is SuSa.

 

[SuSa]

So I found out recently I really hate WiFi and after this seasons playoffs on AiB I'm most likely literally only going to play for the ****s and giggles. Probably make every single person think I'm a total scrub from how much I will be sandbagging and doing stupid ****.

I'll be doing 100% Sheik and I'll find stupid **** to do. Like taunt 100% of the fight of "Can't touch me, Ima ninja" or something and give them free wins.

Until I'm 0-300, then I will beat someone ranked 1900 + and watch their faces.

Because I can't take this ****ing input lag anymore.. ever since I started going to tourneys every weekend, it's impossible to adjust.... it's

Saturday: Tournament
Sunday: Break+Rest after Tournament
Monday: Sleep more, go to friends house, go to work, Brawl online doing friendlies only attempting to adjust back to lag.
Tuesday: Brawl most of the day - Still adjusting to the lag.
Wednesday: Brawl most of the day - Finally adjusted to the lag, now trying to time things to **** wifi tactics.
Thursday: go to work, go back home, take a break from WiFi
Friday: FINALLY adjusted to WiFi again, **** the ladder a bit.
Satuday: Tournament, cycle repeats.

@Velox
No this has nothing to do with you. -_- Although WiFi tactics are really FTL... stop caring if you win or lose, play how you'd play offline. I don't think you'd spam Jab nearly as much, especially not against Olimar. (Jab>Roll>Jab>Roll>jab) and MK's Jab > dsmash normally doesn't work offline....

Just a heads up if you actually want to **** your local scene offline. If you just play using primarily WiFi tactics, you will find you will fail at offline play. This is why "the wifi heros" are "far and few" is because too many people play with WiFi tactics, play offline, and place near last in their tourneys. BUT THEY CANZ ***** ONLINE WITH DA B BUTTON AND C-STICK. <3

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

@Velox
No this has nothing to do with you. -_- Although WiFi tactics are really FTL... stop caring if you win or lose, play how you'd play offline. I don't think you'd spam Jab nearly as much, especially not against Olimar. (Jab>Roll>Jab>Roll>jab) and MK's Jab > dsmash normally doesn't work offline....

Just a heads up if you actually want to **** your local scene offline. If you just play using primarily WiFi tactics, you will find you will fail at offline play. This is why "the wifi heros" are "far and few" is because too many people play with WiFi tactics, play offline, and place near last in their tourneys. BUT THEY CANZ ***** ONLINE WITH DA B BUTTON AND C-STICK. <3

That stuff will work against the less experienced. It's the experienced it won't work on. Which I have little experience with. Plus, that is pretty much how I play offline as well. Since when did I care about winning or losing?

 

[SuSa]

Since you started discussing competitive smash.

It works on anyone that can't find a way around it. Sadly on WiFi, even if you know the why - it's still stupidly hard to do due to input lag. It's like trying to SDI Meta Knights whorenado. Just isn't going to happen reliably on WiFi.

Getting into the habit of not playing a style just because it works against scrubs/noobs offline and most anyone online is really bad.

I realized this back when I started to main PT... who doesn't really have any WiFi tactics besides maybe spamming rock smash as charizard, or bullet seed as Ivysar.

 

[etecoon]

speaking of WIFAIL and with the MK ban topic going on, I was surprised at some of the earlier comments saying "lol random wifi scrubs come from AiB wanting him banned because dsmashdsmashdsmash online", I think MK is a lot worse with lag, why would a wifi player even want him gone lol. it badly screws me up anyway, I do better with snake even in matchups where MK should have like a 30 point advantage compared to snake(like vs ROB or toon link, I like can't beat them as MK online, I do so much better with snake when it's totally opposite without lag).

one of the best lag players I've ever seen has an awful MK, I two stocked it several times using ROB, not that he's stupid or bad or anything, the projectile whoring is just so much easier, it's such a warped, stupid game.

 

[Tennet]

Falco and Snake go 60:60 and sometimes 40:40

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

Since you started discussing competitive smash.

It works on anyone that can't find a way around it. Sadly on WiFi, even if you know the why - it's still stupidly hard to do due to input lag. It's like trying to SDI Meta Knights whorenado. Just isn't going to happen reliably on WiFi.

Getting into the habit of not playing a style just because it works against scrubs/noobs offline and most anyone online is really bad.

I realized this back when I started to main PT... who doesn't really have any WiFi tactics besides maybe spamming rock smash as charizard, or bullet seed as Ivysar.
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This is the woes that are wifi. But what more can one expect. Wifi is simply a training ground for the real thing. By the time I actually start offline tourneys (which won't be likely for at least another 1-2 yrs) I should have enough experience against various characters to actually know what to expect. The only transistion left would be the offline vs online differences. Which I believe can be overcome quickly at the rate others have done it.

 

[SuSa]

It can only be overcome if you are training your online properly.

This is why I sucked my first 1-2 tourneys, saw how the game should be played, played like that on WiFi even though it sucked, and now normally just **** WiFi then **** even harder Offline.

Because I don't do bull****.

I could pull an Aryman and play Snake without any specials at all. Just powershielding, ftilt/jab to rack up damage then utilt for the KO. (I'm not kidding) but I know that **** doesn't work offline, so I don't do it.

 

[etecoon]

I try to play normal with MK/Snake but I'm thinking about picking up someone like Wolf/Lucario as a counterpick to people who do it to me, because I still have too much pride and don't want to lose but I also don't want to corrupt my mains with that crap...

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

I'll never know what to expect till I get offline. For now, I'll be stuck with the Jab > whatever, and AAA. Since for some ungodly reason, jabx2 > ftilt doesn't work on wifi. It comes out to be AAA <_<

I've no idea really what is normal now. SuSa is confusing me. What I expect from Falco is the normal Gameplay I 've been showing you SuSa. Probably a bit more refined in other aspects such as DI, and teching. Snake is the same way. I dont' really try thinks because it works on wifi that way, I just assume that it works period. offline or online.

 

[SuSa]

I don't want to confuse you. :x Next time you are able to get online, I want you to face my Falco. I'll try to be as little WiFi Friendly as possible.

It's also not just WiFi... I limit myself from things so that when I go offline and do add those things to my gameplay, I am better. This is why I rarely ftilt lock as Sheik, or CG as D3/Falco. I can ALWAYS do these things.. if I can dominate without them, how about if I actually did them? That's my ideology.