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That is still lame though. Now that they have match-making based on GSP they ought to let people goof off if they want because such people will end up mostly playing each other and the really bad noobs anyway.
Since theres so many ways to play around in smash if i ever get a long ban or a permaban for bs like this and if it happens frequently then this game is ****ing EVO cancer and ill just stick with brawl for another 10 years.
This is true, but you shouldn't have to raise an arbitrary number to get the system to function correctly. There's no point to Preferred Rules if that's the case.
It affects casual players as well. Plenty of people have complained about wanting a FFA and getting 1 on 1. The system is broken for everyone.
Honestly I feel that 1v1s, teams, FFA, etc, should be selected as an absolute. Then the game will try to find someone who matches your ruleset the closest. Most people have been saying they should bring back For Fun/Glory but I don't even think they need to go that far. Just make the format and items on/off an absolute reference from the menu. They probably don't even need to make new icons or anything.
Does EVO ban taunts or other forms of goofing off? I thought competitive tournaments always allowed taunting and goofing off (whether it is a good idea to actually do that is another issue).
What they ought to do is to match people based on their connection speed. That way parents and old people will not be so angry because they can still play online and people with a good connectin can enjoy battle that have little lag.
Why dedicated servers won’t fix anything in this situation? Fighting games that use P2P are usually games with two players, like any other fighting game that is not Smash, that is one of the few that have more players. And 1-1 matches run fine on the game. The problem is that this structure doesnt work properly in matches with 4 players, cause when one person has a bad internet, the entire match is laggy for everyone, not only for the person with bad internet connection (if that's really the case). In the worst case, they should keep the p2p for 1-1 matches and use dedicated servers for matches with 4 players or more. The p2p system was basically ready from the previous game, and they would only need to create a new system for other kind of matches. Any fault of the game doesnt run properly for people that have good internet connection is from Nintendo and only them, not people that doesnt have wired connection, cause this is not a problem in any game except Smash for most people that are complaining, and Smash is a game that only needs to connect 4 people in the worst scenario. They have a lot of options to make the online matches better, if they dont implement them it's not fault from players, and if we come back even a bit more, the fault is on nintendo again for not adding a simple LAN por on their $80 dock. You cant expect that the millions of people that buy the game will buy LAN adapters, it's predictable that most people have no idea of how internet work and how all their games run perfectly fine on their pcs but only smash runs poorly with the system apparently without any problem. Also, a selling point of this Smash Ultimate on the Switch is the portability. If the game is unplayable online because the requirement of wired connection, this is now just a broken feature.
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Smash Ultimate HAS connection-based matchmaking, and it's the reason we can't get the mode we want in quickplay.
Well, what we have now is a system that doesnt work nicely for matches with 4 players. All other games in the world with dedicated servers are working nicely even in wifi networks, even shooting games that requires as much precision as smash. Of course there would need a compensation because lag, this is just natural, but matches of 4 players are more for fun than competitive matches that requires absolute precision. Anyway, this at least would make the matches playable, and not 7 minutes of a match with stops at every 5 seconds for everyone. And yes, fix the matchmaking is a possible solution too. Have they ever implemented this solution on the previous WiiU game? Cause I remember never being able to enjoy Smash4 online in battles with 4 players until I sell my console at the end of its life.
Very true! My friends and I are in the same position.
I understand that, I got mine. But if the online of the game requires a pact between millions of people that all of them should by a LAN adapter, it's not going to happen, and the general experience will be miserable.
Once again, dedicated servers are not gonna do anything. You only think they’ll fix things because so many claim dedicated servers are the absolute solution to everything without doing research at all. That player who has a laggy connection is still gonna cause everyone to lag as the game compensates to keep everything in sync. That dedicated server is not gonna somehow magically boost that laggy player’s connection speed. It makes no difference if its p2p or through a dedicated server.
Depends on the game. A fighter wouldn’t work well if players are warping around the area as the game tried to update their positions and what they did in ways similar to shooters or racers. So the game compensates by slowing everything down but keeping it in sync. Almost all online fighting games use this exact same setup, if someone lags, they slow down everything to prioritize keeping things in sync. I honestly can’t think of a single one that is setup like a shooter or racer where the laggy player might aimlessly walk in place or suddenly warp to a different position after the game updates where they “should be” . If anything this would make things far far worse than the current setup, I know i sure as hell don’t want to see some random laggy player walking off the stage only to be warped back as the game updates where they “should” be.
If a player suffers from the lag, being constantly killed because he has lag but others dont, then he should quit the game fix his internet before come to play again. Cause people dont need to suffer with problems of internet from others. I entered in matches that were so unplayable that I just gave up and let the character there, or killed myself for that painful match to end faster. If I could quit or just kill the lag player fast to move on to another match without being penalized by the problems of others, it would be the right decision on my opinion.
You aren’t getting it, dedicated or not the game would still slow down to prevent desyncing.
Servers in Japan for all the world probably would have a lot of lag, but servers around the world, as it should be, I dont think so. A person must work as a server in the P2P situation anyway, so much that if the host leaves an Arena, the arena is destroyed. If everyone in a region connects to a near server, because it's official and with more quality than connect to the internet of player's server, there's no reason to think that the P2P would work better, specially for matches of 4 players, and the fact that everyone needs to wait the response of the most laggy player. The lag (ping) of connect to a server would be irrelevant and part of a online game, but would totally be different than the laggy matches we have in ultimate, cause the time of the match wouldnt suffer anything from the laggy player, only the laggy player would suffer and should fix his connection. Maybe, I dont know, there's a way for the P2P matches keeps running the natural time without freezing everyone because the most laggy player - If it's not the host. I dont have this information, but if they can do it, they should, cause when a player is laggy, he is not laggy for some seconds, he is laggy for the entire match and made them unplayable for minutes.
I’m just gonna cut out everything else because this is the part you aren’t getting. Everyone WOULD STILL HAVE TO WAIT FOR THE RESPONSE BY THE MOST LAGGY PLAYER.
I understand that. If the packages of information of this player are not coming in time with the match, it should be discarted, not everyone wait him, and if he tooks damage, it should be his fault. You cant slow down matches for 7 minutes for gods sake. Cause that way everybody takes impredictable damage, instead of only the laggy player. It's just a dumb decision to make someone that will not fix his internet during the match to keep playing for no reason at all AND slow down the match for everyone that cant leave, cause these laggy matches are unplayable.
But If I have a bad connection and use an ethernet cable to improve my connections for other online games (fortnite, overwatch), wouldnt it make sense to also do this for Smash? Like I obviously know that I have a crappy connection, so why would i forego the LAN adapter completely if I know it would help me?
If they do that then the lagging player will appear to teleport like in Mario Kart DS. That would make the game unplayable. So this is a bad solution.
It will not teleport, it will just stay doing nothing. That's how online games works and deal with lag players, and none of them are unplayable.
Mario Kart actually did this and they will appear to teleport. Because when they drop packages you will see them doing nothing, but in reality they are moving. Thus when you finally get another package you will see them teleport to where they went while you saw them doing nothing.
Jesus, dont be so literal, i said that for the lagger player, obviously the server must have a control to keep the player in some idle position to not teleport him. He may feel he is teleporting, but not the others. If mario kart does nothing about it shame on this game, all other decent online games do.
What exactly is miserable about more people using a wired connection?
I do not get what you mean. So other players see him just idling the whole match? Then he might as well be taken out completely.
Wait, do those exist? I need to join one now.
