Queen of the Underworld: Medusa's Secret Hideout

[MoveMan1]

I still think we should argue the case for a non-echo moveset harder. We might not be popular right now, but it's going to be worse if we have to resort to DLC if we keep going this way. Echoes are good when they're free, but who the hell would PAY for one?

 

[meleebrawler]

A simple sewing up of the side like they did with Palutena's dress slit should fix that issue right up.

The only aerial that really needs to be heavily altered is probably fair for a Wolf claw attack, she could trade horizontal range for more vertical range there. Dair could just use her staff to swipe underneath her (since that's what I thought Palutena was doing all this time until recently).

Since Greek Mythology heavily inspires Kid Icarus, I can see the Titans being introduced in a sequel that has all the goddesses work together against them. Hopefully they could even be playable alongside Pit.

Also she needs unique victory quotes against Pit and Palutena. For Pit I was thinking "Palutena's precious little pet, grounded forever" and for Palu "Revenge is so sweet" as references to Medusa's Revenge anime short.

Since the curse Palutena put on Medusa was designed to "reflect what she saw in her heart", what do you think would happen to her appearance in such a scenario? Would it be largely the same black hair but without the snakes?

You know now that I think about, their conversation about Dark Pit was strangely civil, almost friendly even. Makes you think they could still get along if it wasn't for one's massive grudge...

M MoveMan1 They could just charge less for echos than brand-new fighters, or release them in special bundle deals if they're that easy to make...

 

[TMNTSSB4]

If Pandora is confirmed to be alive in Smash Ultimate, then I’ll fully support Medusa in Smash...I miss Pandora

 

[Gengar84]

As long as the echo DLC characters are cheaper than unique ones, I have no issues paying for them. DLC echoes sound a lot more exciting than Mii outfits and I'll gladly take Medusa any way I can get her.

 

[AwesomeAussie27]

I still think we should argue the case for a non-echo moveset harder. We might not be popular right now, but it's going to be worse if we have to resort to DLC if we keep going this way. Echoes are good when they're free, but who the hell would PAY for one?

Even I have that question too.

I cans see people pay for semi-clones like Lucas far more than echoes if Smash 4 was anything to go by.

 

[Luminario]

Since the curse Palutena put on Medusa was designed to "reflect what she saw in her heart", what do you think would happen to her appearance in such a scenario? Would it be largely the same black hair but without the snakes?

You know now that I think about, their conversation about Dark Pit was strangely civil, almost friendly even. Makes you think they could still get along if it wasn't for one's massive grudge...

To begin with, definitely the snake look. Maybe if she goes through some character development near the end of the game they could always give her the black hair look from the Medusa's Revenge short where Palutena confronts her.

 

[ZenythSmash]

Its so weird how a few months ago legit no one would expect medusa
and now all of a sudden a lot of people are expecting her

kinda crazy

aside that fake imgur riddle leak people were co-speculating with the Vergeben stuff, but yeah
i'm glad a bit of investigation and echo fighters spruced some favorable interest on Medusa coming to Ultimate
makes me really happy

I still think we should argue the case for a non-echo moveset harder. We might not be popular right now, but it's going to be worse if we have to resort to DLC if we keep going this way. Echoes are good when they're free, but who the hell would PAY for one?

i think its more likely if they were going to do Echo Fighter DLC, they will do it free or put it packed in with the main DLC fighter.

 

[Gemini-Gene]

As long as the echo DLC characters are cheaper than unique ones, I have no issues paying for them. DLC echoes sound a lot more exciting than Mii outfits and I'll gladly take Medusa any way I can get her.

My hopes for Echo Fighters is that Sakurai cashes in on them. Imo it's a better investment in comparison to Mii costumes because you actually get to purchase and play with a new character (a clone but better than a costume) with it's own space on the roster. The option to combine fighters with their echoes would be visually appealing to some if we do end up getting a decent amount of clones throughout Smash Ultimate's future. Plus it gives Sakurai the opportunity to fill in some blanks with low represented IPs that have needed at least one newcomer (I'm looking at you F-Zero ).

 

[MoveMan1]

i think its more likely if they were going to do Echo Fighter DLC, they will do it free or put it packed in with the main DLC fighter.

True, but there'd still be complaints that DLC is being wasted on echoes that should have been in the main game in the first place. Complaints Sakurai would like to avoid.

 

[meleebrawler]

True, but there'd still be complaints that DLC is being wasted on echoes that should have been in the main game in the first place. Complaints Sakurai would like to avoid.

Sakurai.

Avoiding complaints.

Puts random tripping Brawl.

Says Ridley is too big & bosslike.

HAHAHAHAHA.

Seriously though, this game so far has almost nothing but responses to long-lived feedback. I'm sure he actually appreciates reasonable criticism.

 

[zferolie]

Man I was reading that 4chan thread about medusa... wow so much hate and fighting between Medusa and Hades fans. Why are the Hades fans so against everything medusa, saying she is boring, pointless, and not even the true villain? Medusa has been in from the start, and yeah Hades was the villain in Uprising but I am sure Medusa will come back without Hades around.

And I never liked hades lol. he seemed to be trying WAY too hard to be funny and 4th wall breaking. Viridi was much more interesting then him, and so was Medusa. Sure she was straight laced and not a comedian, but thats not what she is. She is angry and bitter, why would she be cracking jokes?

True, but there'd still be complaints that DLC is being wasted on echoes that should have been in the main game in the first place. Complaints Sakurai would like to avoid.

You know, I was thinking about DLC. I think they may do something like normally its a certain price, but if you have the nintendo online, its free or much cheaper. Great way to push the online service. And People are gonna complain if you put in any character, thinking it would take away from their wanted character.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

Man I was reading that 4chan thread about medusa... wow so much hate and fighting between Medusa and Hades fans. Why are the Hades fans so against everything medusa, saying she is boring, pointless, and not even the true villain? Medusa has been in from the start, and yeah Hades was the villain in Uprising but I am sure Medusa will come back without Hades around.

And I never liked hades lol. he seemed to be trying WAY too hard to be funny and 4th wall breaking. Viridi was much more interesting then him, and so was Medusa. Sure she was straight laced and not a comedian, but thats not what she is. She is angry and bitter, why would she be cracking jokes?

How could you not like all of Hades

 

[zferolie]

How could you not like all of Hades

Just wasn't a fan of him. Like I said it felt like he was trying too hard. Plus his design wasn't that interesting to me when all the other KI characters had very interesting designs

 

[TMNTSSB4]

Just wasn't a fan of him. Like I said it felt like he was trying too hard. Plus his design wasn't that interesting to me when all the other KI characters had very interesting designs

Sometimes it’s better to keep designs simple, and it worked well for Hades (as well as his jokes)

 

[zferolie]

Sometimes it’s better to keep designs simple, and it worked well for Hades (as well as his jokes)

To each their own I suppose. Still don't understand the hate, like pure hate, some Hades fans have toward Medusa.

 

[Jovian the Conqueror]

To each their own I suppose. Still don't understand the hate, like pure hate, some Hades fans have toward Medusa.

Both Medusa and Hades have their flaws, but at least Medusa has some history in the franchise and with Palutena and Pit, and also has the novelty of being female and a villain.

 

[Onua]

So Medusa has had a ton of threads on 4chan lately that have reached 500+ replies and broken bump limits and Ive been seeing her pop up more and more

Truly the best timeline

 

[Erotic&Heretic]

I really think that we can thank Dark Samus for the echo part, and Ridley and K.Rool for the villain part.

The battle isn't won by any mean, but to see Medusa so much talked about compared to before is so nice to see.

 

[MoveMan1]

So Medusa has had a ton of threads on 4chan lately that have reached 500+ replies and broken bump limits and Ive been seeing her pop up more and more

Truly the best timeline

You wouldn't be making some of those threads, by any chance?

 

[Onua]

For sure. I super hope she makes it in as an echo. Shed be absolutely perfect for it, but we will have to wait and see
If anything its just super nice seeing people talk about goth mom more

 

[MoveMan1]

For sure. I super hope she makes it in as an echo. Shed be absolutely perfect for it, but we will have to wait and see
If anything its just super nice seeing people talk about goth mom more

Figures. The guy who draws Medusa dabbing engages with 4chan.

 

[zferolie]

For sure. I super hope she makes it in as an echo. Shed be absolutely perfect for it, but we will have to wait and see
If anything its just super nice seeing people talk about goth mom more

Goth mom. I like that.

I think she is a perfect choice of an echo, but could be a more unique Echo.

 

[Onua]

Figures. The guy who draws Medusa dabbing engages with 4chan.

Lol Im not a guy and I just lurk around 4chan sometimes and saw the threads posted here by other people
idk what the point of this comment is other than to throw needless shade at me

 

[ZenythSmash]

So Medusa has had a ton of threads on 4chan lately that have reached 500+ replies and broken bump limits and Ive been seeing her pop up more and more

Truly the best timeline

i been avoiding /v/ like hell for while, its more chill at the general lol

 

[meleebrawler]

Man I was reading that 4chan thread about medusa... wow so much hate and fighting between Medusa and Hades fans. Why are the Hades fans so against everything medusa, saying she is boring, pointless, and not even the true villain? Medusa has been in from the start, and yeah Hades was the villain in Uprising but I am sure Medusa will come back without Hades around.

And I never liked hades lol. he seemed to be trying WAY too hard to be funny and 4th wall breaking. Viridi was much more interesting then him, and so was Medusa. Sure she was straight laced and not a comedian, but thats not what she is. She is angry and bitter, why would she be cracking jokes?




You know, I was thinking about DLC. I think they may do something like normally its a certain price, but if you have the nintendo online, its free or much cheaper. Great way to push the online service. And People are gonna complain if you put in any character, thinking it would take away from their wanted character.

Hades does indirectly develop Medusa's character just by his existence. Judging by Amazon Pandora's comments he has been around for a long time, longer than anyone present can remember what Pandora used to look like. Possibly even before any of the known goddesses existed. If that is the case it is possible Medusa was a puppet ruler from the very beginning. Chances are the Underworld minions weren't loyal to her at all and did Hades's bidding to make her look bad to the humans and add to her bitterness.

 

[TeamFlareZakk]

About aerials, Fair could be a horizontal claw instead of vertical to be more similar to Palutena (it would be an echo after all)

Spoiler: Palutena's Fair hitbox

For Dair, the animation could be more like Zelda.

Spoiler: Palutena and Zelda's Dair hitboxes

Also theres that one dash move Palutena does with her shield, maybe replace that with a claw slash, I could see Medusa using her claws for some of her physical attacks, but what about the wing attacks? Do we just giver her black wings with a darkness aura or what can be used for her down smash and tilt smash?

 

[meleebrawler]

Also theres that one dash move Palutena does with her shield, maybe replace that with a claw slash, I could see Medusa using her claws for some of her physical attacks, but what about the wing attacks? Do we just giver her black wings with a darkness aura or what can be used for her down smash and tilt smash?

Use her snake hair to replace wings. Or bat wings.

Claws can definitely go in the place of shield attacks, maybe losing Palutena's invincibilty frames in exchange for extra power.

 

[TeamFlareZakk]

Hades does indirectly develop Medusa's character just by his existence. Judging by Amazon Pandora's comments he has been around for a long time, longer than anyone present can remember what Pandora used to look like. Possibly even before any of the known goddesses existed. If that is the case it is possible Medusa was a puppet ruler from the very beginning. Chances are the Underworld minions weren't loyal to her at all and did Hades's bidding to make her look bad to the humans and add to her bitterness.

However Medusa is more marketable than Hades, when I think about Kid Icarus the first characters I think of are Pit, Palutena, Medusa.. I dont think about Hades at all tbh, so therefore Medusa is the more iconic villain than Hades.. Demise from Zelda was kind of the same thing as Hades, he was the final boss in SS, but whos playable in Smash now because he was simply a more iconic villain? Ganondorf, so therefore Medusa would be in over Hades, I have a hunch Hades will be a stage boss.. Maybe there will be a new Underworld stage.

 

[Onua]

What if sometimes when you hit her with a really hard hitting attack her monster face shows up ?

 

[meleebrawler]

What if sometimes when you hit her with a really hard hitting attack her monster face shows up ?

The thing is she maintains the "mask of beauty" through magic (barely, though. One of her snakes is still yellow, and in her true form they ALL are). She doesn't involuntarily shift back no matter how much you shoot her in the face, it's only when she goes "**** it" and shifts all of her magic energies to try and kill Pit does she look monstrous again. With that in mind only a Final Smash would likely involve giving enough energy to temporarily lose her mask.

 

[Onua]

Id say the differences could be for her

> Upsmash has pink/red/purple beam rather than blue
> Fsmash and Dsmash have black wings rather than pure white wings
> Jab has a pinkish/red/purple hue rather than blue
> Upair is either her snakes biting upwards or her rotating reddish pink lasers behind her or a upside down version of palus symbol or the underworld army logo (if there is one)
> Back air either lacks the shield completely or it has a dark magic shield
> DA either has a dark magic shield formed then and there or a new claw animation
> Final smash is copy and paste of samus but with her monster face/eye showing
> Explosive flame creates a purple fire

 

[AwesomeAussie27]

Id say the differences could be for her

> Upsmash has pink/red/purple beam rather than blue
> Fsmash and Dsmash have black wings rather than pure white wings
> Jab has a pinkish/red/purple hue rather than blue
> Upair is either her snakes biting upwards or her rotating reddish pink lasers behind her or a upside down version of palus symbol or the underworld army logo (if there is one)
> Back air either lacks the shield completely or it has a dark magic shield
> DA either has a dark magic shield formed then and there or a new claw animation
> Final smash is copy and paste of samus but with her monster face/eye showing
> Explosive flame creates a purple fire

I quite like these ideas. They all fit her.

And as for Hades and Medusa fans always fighting, it's been like that for a long time. Mostly arguing who's the better villain and how Hsdes snubbed Medusa of a bigger role.

 

[Onua]

Its so strange how we all were like "her chances are super super low" a few months ago and now shes looking like one of the most likely newcomers

Really shocking how much can change in a short period of time

 

[AwesomeAussie27]

Its so strange how we all were like "her chances are super super low" a few months ago and now shes looking like one of the most likely newcomers

Really shocking how much can change in a short period of time

Thanks to the power of echoes, making all your character inclusions easier.

But I wouldn't say is's super guaranteed. Sakurai could just avoid having a KI newcomer all together in response to the criticism over the abundance of KI content in Smash 4.

But at the same time, I'd say to hell with the criticism and give us more Kid Icarus love.

 

[Onua]

things are p quiet here lately surprisingly

 

[Luminario]

or a upside down version of palus symbol or the underworld army logo (if there is one)

Here it is~ I'd say it's pretty fitting for a potential Medusa halo.
I'd also say her FS should be more ZSS' than Samus'. Her giant gorgon head popping up behind the stage to blast enemies fits just a bit more.

 

[Onua]

I didnt even know there was an underworld logo! Awesome
That means the legit one move theyd have to edit a lot they dont even have to anymore!

 

[AwesomeAussie27]

things are p quiet here lately surprisingly

I think it's because most people are sleep at this time of night (for comparison it's near 2 AM for me).

I'd expect more activity in the morning. Unless that's referring to the 4Chan threads?

 

[Onua]

I suppose youre right. I just wanna gush about our queen goth mom to more ppl

 

[AwesomeAussie27]

I suppose youre right. I just wanna gush about our queen goth mom to more ppl

True, nothing wrong with showing love for the Underword Goddess.