Queen of the Underworld: Medusa's Secret Hideout

[Michael the Spikester]

I'm holding out hope that it is real.

I can't take anymore of this pressure!

 

[Ikanger]

Ikr!! And this is apparently what Vergeben says... the fact that Medusa is in there.. I just hope it's real. My body can't handle all this anymore lol

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Ikr!! And this is apparently what Vergeben says... the fact that Medusa is in there.. I just hope it's real. My body can't handle all this anymore lol

Agreed this is honestly the perfect base roster. Whoever would make DLC would just be icing on cake at this point.

 

[Admiral Pit]

I don't trust that picture, let alone the pictures for each of those new characters being suspiciously known. All I know is that I'll likely be sour if any of those characters, minus Incineroar and Medusa who I would want, make it in. Of course I already stated which characters I desire really. I consider it fake as I do with all the others. And even if it's true, there's different levels of bitter I'll be holding, including breaking the surprise. The one true credit I can give is that Medusa is definitely appearing a lot more than usual, and that sounds pretty good.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Me I'm gonna keep expectations very low. Still pulling out because such a roster like that looks legit.

 

[Inoj]

Do not place faith in leaks. They can be deceiving and give false hope.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Do not place faith in leaks. They can be deceiving and give false hope.

That's why I said very low expectations.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

Now this is where things are getting even more interesting.. take a look at this:

I hope this is real.

 

[Scipion3]

Now this is where things are getting even more interesting.. take a look at this:

Dunno. I know Vergerben have talk about Minecraft representation but Steve as a character is unlikely to me.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

Dunno. I know Vergerben have talk about Minecraft representation but Steve as a character is unlikely to me.

I don't think Steve is likely either and I honestly wouldn't care if he got in if Banjo-Kazooie get in.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

You could have Steve removed and said supposed roster could still be perfect.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

You could have Steve removed and said supposed roster could still be perfect.

Exactly!

 

[Gemini-Gene]

Is this roster also based on the recent October Direct leak? From that leak I see a lot of the characters in the pic but a few others are missing. Either way this would make a nice base roster if it's accurate.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

How are we sure that Verge told someone this?

I have my doubts.

 

[Machete]

That is almost as believable as if I went to /v/ and said that Bowsette is in because Vergeben told me

 

[Ikanger]

Aaaand unsurprisingly this leak is now confirmed fake:

Here

 

[Onua]

Even if these have been fake. Its nice seeing people include medusa now

 

[zferolie]

confirmed fake before I can really comment lol. Its nice medusa is starting to see more traction(the lack of shantae still makes me sad)

As for roster size, honestly guys, we shouldn't expect more then 12 more selectable fighters(6 unique and 6 echo), and 8 being the minimum. This is due to the blog theory and also a perfect size for smashdown theory. 80-84 I beleive will be our final base roster. 80 fits with the current amount of updates for the blog, though with smashdown its divisible by 2 and 4 but not 3. 84 can work if they do a few weeks of extra updates and it fits with smashdown matchup.

I also am still subscribed to my own theory of the music icons, that we should only be getting 3 more music icons for the base game, that means 3 more non retro fighters from new franchises. Geno I feel would still be put in the Mario category cause I doubt the would make a new icon for him. incineroar or any pokemon, and a retro wouldn't get new icons either. thats 3 newcomers already. the other 3 are very up in the air. Steve, Isaac, and Shantae are my bets.

Anyway, how this fits with medusa, I feel 4-6 more echos is very likely, and Medusa seems to be one of the more obvious choices. Other ones are Ken, Dixie, Shadow, and ms pack Man. Black shadow and Impa are likely as well. I think unless we get less then 4 more echos we should feel safe on medusa.

One other thing about her being a villain in the story more, yeah, I think Hades will turn on her, and it would be so satisfying if you use medusa you got unique voice lines or cutscene or something. Referencing the end of Upraising and Medusa getting some vengeance.

Oh right and Viridi, I can see her one day being playable, but I don't think it will be in base. If KI is getting a new comer, chances are its Medusa due to her being a main villain role, plus its more likely we get an echo and Viridi cannot be a Palutena Echo, unless somehow she grew up

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Well at least this was confirmed fake in a short time frame.

I've still been hanging on that Gardevoir/Gothitelle one from back in August...

 

[RetrogamerMax]

confirmed fake before I can really comment lol. Its nice medusa is starting to see more traction(the lack of shantae still makes me sad)

As for roster size, honestly guys, we shouldn't expect more then 12 more selectable fighters(6 unique and 6 echo), and 8 being the minimum. This is due to the blog theory and also a perfect size for smashdown theory. 80-84 I beleive will be our final base roster. 80 fits with the current amount of updates for the blog, though with smashdown its divisible by 2 and 4 but not 3. 84 can work if they do a few weeks of extra updates and it fits with smashdown matchup.

I also am still subscribed to my own theory of the music icons, that we should only be getting 3 more music icons for the base game, that means 3 more non retro fighters from new franchises. Geno I feel would still be put in the Mario category cause I doubt the would make a new icon for him. incineroar or any pokemon, and a retro wouldn't get new icons either. thats 3 newcomers already. the other 3 are very up in the air. Steve, Isaac, and Shantae are my bets.

Anyway, how this fits with medusa, I feel 4-6 more echos is very likely, and Medusa seems to be one of the more obvious choices. Other ones are Ken, Dixie, Shadow, and ms pack Man. Black shadow and Impa are likely as well. I think unless we get less then 4 more echos we should feel safe on medusa.

One other thing about her being a villain in the story more, yeah, I think Hades will turn on her, and it would be so satisfying if you use medusa you got unique voice lines or cutscene or something. Referencing the end of Upraising and Medusa getting some vengeance.

Oh right and Viridi, I can see her one day being playable, but I don't think it will be in base. If KI is getting a new comer, chances are its Medusa due to her being a main villain role, plus its more likely we get an echo and Viridi cannot be a Palutena Echo, unless somehow she grew up

Viridi was a Mii costume back in Smash 4 so I think she has a decent chance. But only as DLC.

After DLC, I could see the roster being 90 plus characters.

Even if these have been fake. Its nice seeing people include medusa now

Yep, it's nice to see our girl getting some attention.

 

[GoodShepperd]

It's cool to see Medusa getting some much deserved buzz.

 

[Machete]

I think she’s on the boat of “not many people talk about her but almost no one would mind if she was in the game”. Most characters draw hate in a way or another, but Medusa is relatively free of it.

Kickass design, female villain, important in her own games, and an echo fighter with lots of potential. If she is revealed, I can already hear the common reaction being variants of “i didn’t expect her at all but she looks sick”.

Thus, it’s normal that she can gain traction relatively easy. She’s a simple way for fake leakers to buff up the roster in a non-controversial way. Let’s just hope Sakurai delivered similarly.

 

[IsmaR]

I think she would receive at bare minimum the standard "Sakurai Bias/ANOTHER Kid Icarus character?" treatment initially.

But I mean we already got Chrom who checks off on every single thing people complained about ("ANOTHER FE sword user"), so it'd seem tame in comparison.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

In a way the supposed leak could be real but it doesn't have Steve because such a roster like that seems pretty legit as I said. We'll see though...

Still pulling out for Medusa!

 

[Ikanger]

Just wanted to mention another leak with Medusa in it. I mean, it's most likely fake, but it's fun to see Medusa appear in a 5th leak in a couple days time.

Leak Video

 

[FalconFire93]

Since we need more villains in Smash, I’m tossing my support into the fray for Medusa as she’s on my wishlist and was a very interesting boss to fight in Uprising, if she gets in as an echo of Palutena, I’d be cool with it.

 

[Erotic&Heretic]

I'll be honest and admit that I kinda hate this channel and it's video titles

But anyway, it's nice to see that Medusa is an idea many fake leakers tend to go behind now. They may be fake, but it's still give some kind of "visibility" to Medusa, and warm up people about the idea of having her in the game.

 

[Ikanger]

Yeah the titles are huge clickbait which is annoying, but the videos are entertaining nonetheless.

Exactly, Medusa is gaining visibility with these leak appearances. Even more so when videos are made about those leaks. Seeing her in all of these leaks kinda tells us more and more that people see her as the most logical character to echo Palutena, and therefore the KI rep with the highest chance.

 

[Deleted member]

And that works for me given that a month ago, Medusa was barely considered a possible choice, even as an Echo fighter. Anything that helps build the brand until the game drops is fine by me.

 

[Erotic&Heretic]

And that works for me given that a month ago, Medusa was barely considered a possible choice, even as an Echo fighter. Anything that helps build the brand until the game drops is fine by me.

Exactly!

On another note, the music theory on the blog is totally bamboozled by the new Pokémon remix. But with that theory that doesn't affect echoes, so...

 

[Machete]

The music theory being busted is good news for fans of Skull Kid and Dixie Kong, so it's a good thing in my book. Doesn't really affect Medusa though.

I've been thinking, though, and the sole new character we have so far that can't be considered as very popular within the Smash fanbase is Richter, who is a character who probably benefitted from the famed Sakurai bias (he is a fan of Castlevania) and from him being the source of many of Simon's moves, meaning that Sakurai felt that Richter's contribution to the moveset was enough of a reason for him to be playable.

Even if we consider that Medusa isn't as popular as the other echo choices, she can also benefit from some of that sweet Sakurai bias, and the possibility of her inheriting some of Palutena's special moves means she, too, has something to add gameplay-wise. So if Sakurai bias and moveset were enough for Richter, who knows, maybe Medusa has a better shot than I was giving her credit for.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

I'm still confident on my prediction for the final characters reveals.

Unique Fighters:
69: Steve
70: Incineroar
71: Elma
72: Geno

Echo Fighters:
36e: Dixie Kong
38e: Shadow
54e: Medusa
60e: Ken

This would overall round out to 80 fighters (85 if we count Pokemon Trainer, Squirtle, Ivysaur, Charizard and the Miis as separate fighters). That seems perfectly balanced.

 

[Takasmash]

Im getting my hopes up for Medusa in smash ultimate c mon fans lets let Sakurai hear our voice's who cares if it another Sakurai bias Sakurai given us fans so much and its his choice to add any character he wants.

 

[zferolie]

so I was wondering guys, what music do you guys think will play during Medusa reveal trailer? I was thinking either the music from her boss fight in upraising or a new remix of her original theme from the first game

 

[RetrogamerMax]

so I was wondering guys, what music do you guys think will play during Medusa reveal trailer? I was thinking either the music from her boss fight in upraising or a new remix of her original theme from the first game

I would say a new remix of her original theme from the first game because to me, the NES song would sound better to be her reveal music whether than her Uprising song if she get's in.

 

[Ikanger]

For her reveal definitely the boss fight music from Uprising. First of all, really good composition, and it's super menacing (especially towards the middle of it) which carries just how evil Medusa is very well.

Maybe for her character gameplay trailer have a remix of the old theme. That would work super well for a trailer like that given the pace of the music. And it is still quite menacing (like Dark Samus's music).

 

[zferolie]

For her reveal definitely the boss fight music from Uprising. First of all, really good composition, and it's super menacing (especially towards the middle of it) which carries just how evil Medusa is very well.

Maybe for her character gameplay trailer have a remix of the old theme. That would work super well for a trailer like that given the pace of the music. And it is still quite menacing (like Dark Samus's music).

I think if the trailer started or included that more dark version of the upraising theme from that song, the medusa final fight would be perfect. it does represent Medusa perfectly, the dark opposite of Palutena

 

[Erotic&Heretic]

so I was wondering guys, what music do you guys think will play during Medusa reveal trailer? I was thinking either the music from her boss fight in upraising or a new remix of her original theme from the first game

Honestly, I'd love to see a remix of her theme from the original game, but her battle theme from Uprising work as well.

 

[Admiral Pit]

I seem to have interest in the original Medusa theme and the Underworld theme being merged and remixed, or something like that, something to give off that dark and sinister vibe that suits her well. I seem to enjoy the 2nd half of that KIU track up there most, though if remixed, they should cut off the Pittoo theme part obviously. Still, I would like to see an Underworld remix, but I wonder if that one Underworld theme from Brawl's Skyworld is technically Pit's theme, but they never said it, did they? Well whatever they choose, I hope it captures the vibe of darkness fitting for her.

Also I did some checking in that general Ultimate thread with all the replies and found this thing:
http://www.siliconera.com/2018/09/2...w-down/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Short version is that we may have to wait longer as character reveals will be slowing down. It does feel suspicious for many reasons, but one reason for it could be that there aren't really much characters left to show at all, or they're waiting to show em off later on. Perhaps also focusing in other development things is possible. This does have my interest only because it means more time til we get to hear them voices, and soon see more Kid Icarus stuff, and maybe Medusa and Phosphora coming in at last.
Of course that's not to say they can't show off a direct with no character reveal though and just give us general information or something else, right? Heck, even footage/gameplay of characters that weren't in the demo would be nice too. Alas, I can be patient for the time being.

 

[Scipion3]

I think it will rather an heavier remix of "Underworld" like they did in Chapeter 9 of Uprising