Pyro-Planing

A6M Zero · Oct 5, 2008

Incase nobody noticed/had a use for it.
Run, use Fox's Firefox and hit on the opposite direction like you were doing a PWG (sorta), the firefox will slide backwards a little bit (sort of similar to Squirtles hydroplaning).

It's actually a pretty nifty trick to toss up with instead of a pivot wave grab. You'll hit a lot of opening shields for some good damage, and firefox goes far enough horizontal to basically reset.

Pretty minimal risk and a nice chunk of damage, plus ANOTHER thing that your opponent needs to avoid.

PS: Firefox does 26%

KheldarVII · Oct 5, 2008

I've always wanted a use for Fire Fox offensively and you might have found one. I shall look into it.

-Mars- · Oct 6, 2008

iirc, it does 28%?

A6M Zero · Oct 6, 2008

Marsulas, Hydro-Planning doesn't hit for the first couple frames before you slide back onto the opponent.

-Mars- · Oct 6, 2008

Oh my bad, I see what your talking about now, if it's shielded you could be in for a lot of trouble though.

A6M Zero · Oct 6, 2008

Absolutely not! Since you're behind them, they can't drop their shield or do anything until you blast away and reset positions. I'm pretty sure even a dolphin slash won't beat it.

KheldarVII · Oct 6, 2008

Oh I see it. The timing seems to be a little tricky but he almost just... teleports over a step and faces the other way. Neat.

I'm not sure if that slide distance will help its utility though.

Talon · Oct 6, 2008

I request a fox vid executing this technique.At last Firefox can be an offensive strategy.

KheldarVII · Oct 6, 2008

Talon said:
I request a fox vid executing this technique.At last Firefox can be an offensive strategy.

I'll do it in the morning. I just turned my Wii off.

Zhamy · Oct 6, 2008

Absolutely not! Since you're behind them, they can't drop their shield or do anything until you blast away and reset positions. I'm pretty sure even a dolphin slash won't beat it.

Any disjointed Dsmash will eat through this like cake, unfortunately.

Fenrir VII · Oct 6, 2008

dolphin slash beats it, yes... it's a decent tactic, but very risky in thoughts of a roll or a move out of shield that can beat it.

Heroes_Never_Die · Oct 6, 2008

Is this not just a B-reversal? Anyway, while messing with this I managed to do a Cape Glide with Fox's Up-B. If you don't know what a Cape Glide is, check the Mario forums. It's the exact same concept, but with Fox's Up-B. I don't know if this is known or not, but it doesn't seem very useful to me.

I should note that the timing is harder than Cape Glide and not nearly as useful (if useful at all). I could possibly see it used to gimp some weaker recoveries, but I doubt it. You can mess around with this if you want, but I think it's not useful.

KoSa! · Oct 6, 2008

Yeah, I've done the "Pyro Glide" to edgehog. but this pyro-planing, might have to give it a try.

Miles. · Oct 6, 2008

Are there vids of either or these pyro techs?

cakecontrol · Oct 6, 2008

I'm going to look into this .

Thanks

Veggi · Oct 6, 2008

Heroes_Never_Die said:
Is this not just a B-reversal? Anyway, while messing with this I managed to do a Cape Glide with Fox's Up-B. If you don't know what a Cape Glide is, check the Mario forums. It's the exact same concept, but with Fox's Up-B. I don't know if this is known or not, but it doesn't seem very useful to me.

I should note that the timing is harder than Cape Glide and not nearly as useful (if useful at all). I could possibly see it used to gimp some weaker recoveries, but I doubt it. You can mess around with this if you want, but I think it's not useful.

It's pretty useful if someone is either at really high percents that they could be KO'd by an upward Fire Fox or if there isn't alot of time. That way you could do damage and then aim it back at the stage and grab the ledge. I like to use it.

§witch · Oct 6, 2008

Oh, you guys know about the vanisg glide with sheik right? Fox has the same kind of deal but it goes WAY farther. Also, after yoiu go out you can DI back to the stage before you launch.
EDIT: Holy ****, how on earth did someone say this before me?

A6M Zero · Oct 6, 2008

(On a side note, the vanish glide with firefox is actually how this caught my attention. I accidentally used it on my brother and went "oh...I wonder if you can do that on a stage." And voila.)

KheldarVII · Oct 6, 2008

So what's the quick description of how you do this glide? You just slide off the edge with Fire Fox?

-Mars- · Oct 6, 2008

Just like with Sheik, i'm assuming you quickly rotate the control stick from the dash position to the upward position the instant you take a step off the edge, Fox should perform the animation and since your grabbing the ledge, you should have no danger of being punished.

_X_ · Oct 6, 2008

Vid on all or they didn't happen >_>

Heroes_Never_Die · Oct 7, 2008

Run off the stage, and Up-B as you are leaving the stage. Time it right and you'll glide a decent distance.

-Mars- · Oct 7, 2008

_X_ said:
Vid on all or they didn't happen >_>

It's actually really easy and simple to understand, run off the stage and upb the instant you step off while rotating the control stick to grab the edge.

The more I used it today during some matches, the more I liked it. I never even thought of this before, but I think it could be very useful as another mixup for Foxs' edgeguarding game.

A6M Zero · Oct 7, 2008

I used it on another Fox to edgeguard who will remain unmentioned today, did a nice chunk of damage and FFing into the ledge let me be set up to edgeguard his descent back.

It's far superior to Sheiks.

KheldarVII · Oct 7, 2008

A6M Zero said:
I used it on another Fox to edgeguard who will remain unmentioned today, did a nice chunk of damage and FFing into the ledge let me be set up to edgeguard his descent back.

It's far superior to Sheiks.

Vids or it didn't happen.

A6M Zero · Oct 7, 2008

Don't be hatin, Kheldar

-Mars- · Oct 7, 2008

A6M Zero said:
I used it on another Fox to edgeguard who will remain unmentioned today, did a nice chunk of damage and FFing into the ledge let me be set up to edgeguard his descent back.

It's far superior to Sheiks.

How is it superior to Sheiks? Sheiks Vanish is a KO move while Fire Fox doesn't ko for a while.......in fact at what percentage does fire-fox kill at?(don't have my wii at the moment).

I'm looking for tricks to just make my Fox look overall flashier. I want a badass Fox with a mastery of Basics but also can throw in the occassional trick every now and then. We seriously need to start making our Foxes look sexier

On a more serious note, this could be a great edgeguarding tool. I know the original poster intended for it to be used on stage, but I see countless more uses for gimps.

Say you used dsmash and knocked someone off stage while your still at the middle of FD. Sometimes you won't have time for a shine-spike or an edgehug, because you can't get there quick enough. Using this "Pyro-Glide" is actually faster than edge hugging and if you connect, it's 28%! Thats a lot of free damage.

You also can use it as a means of edgehugging, it might just throw off the opponents timing if they're expecting just a regular edge hug.

KheldarVII · Oct 7, 2008

A6M Zero said:
Don't be hatin, Kheldar

I actually don't remember when it happened. Perhaps this technique causes memory loss.

A6M Zero · Oct 7, 2008

KheldarVII said:
I actually don't remember when it happened. Perhaps this technique causes memory loss.

It erases the opponents memory...?

MOST EPIC BLOODY MINDGAME EVER

KheldarVII · Oct 7, 2008

Do you at least remember what stage?

Zhamy · Oct 7, 2008

Sheiks Vanish is a KO move while Fire Fox doesn't ko for a while.......in fact at what percentage does fire-fox kill at?(don't have my wii at the moment).

28% damage. I rest my case.

-Mars- · Oct 7, 2008

Zhamy said:
28% damage. I rest my case.

You forgot to put "28% damage that never gets used". If we could implement it into our game, it could become a nice offensive weapon, but as of now that 28% damage isn't doing anything.

NESSBOUNDER · Oct 7, 2008

Sadly it's very easy to DI out of the firefox's flames. But I've been trying to utilise the burn on this attack for a long time.

-Mars- · Oct 7, 2008

NESSBOUNDER said:
Sadly it's very easy to DI out of the firefox's flames. But I've been trying to utilise the burn on this attack for a long time.

Another thing, FireFox can be quarter-circle DI'ed out of. This can leave you wide open.

Zeton · Oct 7, 2008

Once again, Timing and element of surprise will bring this technique into effect. (just like most of his other attacks)

the end 101 · Oct 7, 2008

KheldarVII said:
Vids or it didn't happen.

I second this post

Pancakesyo · Apr 7, 2009

never thought of using firefox offensively hmm shall look this up thanks

Livetopwn247 · Apr 9, 2009

This is probably best used as a surprise technique, to be pulled out only in the right situation and very rarely at that.

Sounds neat though...will try first chance I get.

Lightning93 · Apr 21, 2009

Although this can be used for some good damage, most recoveries should be able to either avoid it or beat it. Be careful, because this leaves you wide open for a spike if your opponent quickly recovers underneath you and uses a rising D-air. (Depends on character.)

A6M Zero · Apr 22, 2009

uhhhhh....Who uses Pyro-planing off the stage? Not I.

(Okay, I did it once to Fenrir on wifi, but irrelevant.)

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