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Pros and Cons for playing CPUs *AS FALCON -_-*

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Someone give me a logical explanation to this.

I can't travel yet and Brawl annoys me to no end nowadays.


Don't lock this yet, I may turn this into something else afterwards.
 

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they are predictable and rarly change like you can just chage F-smash and they will run into it, they have different di, they don't recovery as good as people, they do things that people bnormally can't do like powersheild everything and tech things you didn't know were techable like I was marth on peach's castle I was marth F-smashing peach at the top part where his sword can go though I F-smashed her and she wall jumped teched that F-smash WTF?????
 

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You know why you wasted a post.

Falcon is the greatest!!!! He knows all so where is a better place to learn than from the falcon boards from people who study his awesomeness. Or he wants to know from a falcon's point of veiw
 

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They don't di right so combos on them won't really work on people much.

movement and camping isn't as effective because they can't reason that they are in danger and they have inhuman reflexs at times that people simplely can't do.

It will teach you the wrong way in most cases.

Also people have habits you have to look for sometimes cpus never change so you don't have to learn.
 

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I agree as far as their horrid recovery, but with their unorthodox DI, shouldn't it kinda show you what kind of combos work here and there at times?
 

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Really people are better you learn to just follow them and ****. cpus have no DI or wtf DI which is pretty uncommon. Plus people's DI doesn't change to much.
 

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i used to play only CPUS and you get into habits then get ***** for doing them by real players


for example i allways used to roll to the other side of the CPU and it allways worked then against real players i was getting rested/upsmashed/tippered anything punish for rolling the same way all the time
 

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I still play with cpu's about once a week just to keep my tech skill nice and shiny
With falcon you're using pretty much less than the basic tech skill
from a technical view falcon takes the ability to pivot, l-cancel, and run after landing an aerial, and really that's about it

If you can do all this consistently then there's pretty much no point to playing against cpus, except fun
 

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Playing high-level CPUs too much makes your tech skill worse, because they react strongly to some things yet never do anything against others. For example, if you try shffl dair on a high-level CPU Bowser, it will always utilt if it's not breathing fire. If you double jump dair instead the Bowser won't do anything to defend itself. Then you find yourself in the habit of always double jumping to land a dair. Or if you're off the stage and you recover low they edgeguard really viciously but if you recover high they just stand there and let you on the stage. So then you get in the habit of recovering high (I fell victim to this once and didn't even notice that I was doing it until my friend pointed it out). You might forget to wavedash after a while because CPUs don't react to it any more than dash dancing.

CPUs never do a lot of stuff that is second nature to human players. Jiggs never uses rest, Luigi never uses up-b to recover, Marth never uses side-b to recover, none of the CPUs ever run, etc. And they always approach with the same moves: Bowser always takes a few steps and then breathes fire, Kirby always takes a few steps and does final cutter, Falco always takes a few steps and shoots a grounded laser, Jigglypuff always walks toward you and tries to grab you, Marth always walks toward you and jabs you (and grabs you if you try to shield the jab).

The most important thing is that CPUs never learn, so you'll get badly owned if you practice with them and then play anyone that utilizes all of a character's moves and learns quickly. The only reason people play high level CPUs is because they want to practice but they have no friends that play the game, can't travel to tournaments or smashfests, and can't/aren't willing to play SSBM online with an emulator.

Mind you, lv. 1 CPUs are great for just practicing combos with aside from the fact that they don't DI all the time, but it gets incredibly boring once your tech skill is at a reasonable level.
 

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Yeah, but I'm not one to develop habits that easily since I play Brawl.

Lol the irony in that.
 

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I still play with cpu's about once a week just to keep my tech skill nice and shiny
With falcon you're using pretty much less than the basic tech skill
from a technical view falcon takes the ability to pivot, l-cancel, and run after landing an aerial, and really that's about it

If you can do all this consistently then there's pretty much no point to playing against cpus, except fun
except hardly anybody can actually do that stuff as quickly as the elite few can, so we all have room for improvement
 

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****** a level 1 or level 3 (I forget which, but the one that switches up its DI) can be useful just to keep yourself sharp. But actually playing against them is useless and will only make you worse. There's really no substitute for playing people.

Find a tourney!
 

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Really when and if I play cpus it's level 1 and I treat it like a person I mix up, try new things/tactics, use my movement to get inside even if no one is stopping me. and I carefully edge gaurd and junk.
 

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practice against an empty controller only to increase your tech skill dont practice combos. rather u should just work on your shuffle speed. once u have descent tech skill stop practicing and practice in matches. friendlies are perfect for figuring out what works and what doesnt. if u have no one to play either get out to tournies somehow or watch vids of tourney matches and figure out why they do those things.
 

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I can SHFFL exceptionally well...

I can wavedash pretty consistantly...

I can moonwalk/stickywalk fairly well.

I can follow up well.





:(

Nobody at my school plays melee...
 

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all u can really do then is watch vids because practicing against CPUs develops bad habits and u will ***** much worse by real ppl. not saying theirs anything wrong with practicing tech skill just do it on a neutral controller so that u understand thats what happens when no DI is inputed. when I used to practice on empty controllers I would input DI with my foot to see what it looked like xD
 

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Playing CPU's/dead controllers is perfectly fine as long as you play to practice, not to win. I'm not quite sure how to explain it. I would reccomend sticking more to dead controllers unless your working on something you need a CPU for (learning to powershield Falco Lasers, DI in combos, getting a feel for reacting to missed techs with stomp so that they pop up properly).
 

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Hmm no one by you. You can post to see if anyone near you plays. Also if there are brawlers they may play melee. Really melee can teach you how to play other games WAY better I learned how to play counter stike way better by playing melee. I learned how to camp really good like know where they are going, be a step a head, if it's not working switch places never camp the same spot twice, know you foes and be trigger happy.

Really melee is an amazing game harder part is to get people into high levels
 

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They are boring. They don't ever change or adapt or anything so if you play cpus as much or more than humans you are likely going to fall into the mindset that something CAN work twice [and more] where you should be assuming vs humans that (as long as they aren't stupid) it will only work once before they find a solution and not fall for it.
 

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I don't play CPUs to win, I play to practice. I know I **** them. I **** em hard. I just do it for combos and to see what can easily be DI'ed out of with their inhuman ****.
 

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They are boring. They don't ever change or adapt or anything so if you play cpus as much or more than humans you are likely going to fall into the mindset that something CAN work twice [and more] where you should be assuming vs humans that (as long as they aren't stupid) it will only work once before they find a solution and not fall for it.
Well idk, I'd like to argue that often things CAN work twice or even more. I've been doing raptor boost-->upsmash-->knee against the same guys for months now and they still don't DI out of it.
 

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ICG: Cpus from level 3 and higher almost always SDI every move up. They also DI throws up. It's extremely awkward trying to cg a fast faller with marth because they get sent at an awkward angle forcing you to pivot grab.

playing cpus is practice and practice is always good. playing cpus can be beneficial if you're trying to learn specific things.

also they can be stupid fun like waveshining a fox across FD because they SDI up and away from every shine. ;D
 

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Since I have the advantage of seeing what can and can't be DI'ed out of, wouldn't that kinda benefit me in the long run since I know what can and can't be DI'ed out of to a certain extent?

Plus the combos are fun :3
 

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Not necessarily.

I play Brawl CPUs a hell of a lot, but I'm still more advanced than most people.
 

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Don't listen to haters. If you have the proper mindset when you're practicing this game you will always benefit from playing anytime, even versus computers. Just know what you're doing is routine and that you have to be intuitive and interpretive during a match versus a real person.

I'll extend a little advice though, vary your practice on computer levels. Stick with level 1's for no DI. Go for level 9's for survival DI. Practice against level 9 ganon for spacing purposes. Practice against level 5's for a mix of DI.
 
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