Project M Social Thread

[ManEg]

I think Falcon Kick's buff consists in that it retains it's hard hitting hitbox during the animation of the whole move. In melee it was only at the beginning of the move.

 

[Deleted member]

I'm interested in seeing if his new Falcon Kick combined with his Raptor Boost can throw Falco's laser spacing off balance with counter attacks.

It'd be nice if it helped his MU at the least.

 

[Shelter From The Storm]

Is there going to be a stream this weekend?

 

[hotdogturtle]

I get Facon's recovery buffs mostly because he has MU problems with the rest of the high/top tier cast and he is only high tier himself.

But Jigglypuff? She should remain completely untouched along with Fox, Falco, Marth and Shiek. Any character who has made top tier has already proved that they are 100% viable choices in competitive play; making changes unecessary. And if you were to add buffs to any of them, Jiggs/Shiek are the worst choices.

Reasons:

Jiggs's "flaws"

1. She is light: She dies easier from most characters. That is obvious.

2. Sheild break OHKO: She shouldn't abuse using shield against pressure fiends and attacks that take a lot of a shield down (such as Marth's neutral b) but in reality, this flaw is a nitpick. If you break an opponents shield and punish correctly they are usally dead anyway. And secondly, Jiggs isn't on the ground a lot and her main defense is weaving.

3. No projectile: Self explanatory... but the flaw doesn't really stick out that much. She can still be very campy even without one and she can fight against projectiles easily with a low crouch/high mobility.

Jiggs's "pros"

1. One bad MU (Fox 55:45). What an ouch!

2. She is light: Yep, her lightness is a gift and a curse just like Fox and Falco's fallspeed. She can't be comboed at certain percents. She is also immune to conventional chain grabs and waveshines.

3. Fastest airspeed: She has ridiculous mobility. Allows her to weave, escape combos, and traverse quite the distance in one SH

4. Amazing Recovery: With all the jumps, and air speed in the world she is practically ungimpable.

5. Amazing combo and edge game: She doesn't really have a bad aerial, or throw and can combo into one of the most potent and fastest kill moves in the series (rest). As well as some of the best gimps.

6. Minimal risk character: Jiggs can do things that would normally kill the entire cast. Her off stage game is something that Falco has wet dreams about and all of her (important) attacks are low lag and difficult to punish. The only risk she has is if she misses a rest.

7. Least amount of tech skill required: It is pretty much agreed that you don't need tech skill to be good with Jiggs. Wavedashing isn't essential, and L-cancelling is important but not as important as other characters since she retreats before she can get punished anyway.

Verdict: Call me a hater but I think Jiggs is the most unbalanced character in melee. (Statisically speaking) In no way does her pros and cons balance eachother out. She requires little devotion to be good with when compared to characters such as Fox or Falco (who deserve to be top) And she is unique in the sense that she has almost no on stage or offstage risks short of missed rests and bad spacing.

You are a hater.

 

[Mr.-0]

How on earth is Jigglypuff the best/most unbalanced character in melee?

 

[Shelter From The Storm]

Jigglypuff is easily top 4, but goes even with other top tier characters, and isn't over-powered as a result.

She ***** Sheik, yet goes even with Yoshi. Definitely not unbalanced.

Link is pretty damn good in Project Melee, though. Boomerangs alone do 16% damage.

 

[ClinkStryphart]

How on earth is Jigglypuff the best/most unbalanced character in melee?

Basically in short terms Uthrow>jump> downB and wall of pain lol.

 

[JCaesar]

Is there going to be a stream this weekend?

Yes, tonight around 7pm EST.

 

[Shelter From The Storm]

Yes, tonight around 7pm EST.

****.

Who's going to be there? Just curious.

 

[Shadic]

And does Link's upair have the same hitboxes from melee? I just noticed how stupidly big they were, or is this a landing detection issue? Short hop upair just doesn't work like in melee

Link's UAir hitbox actually isn't that big in Melee. Landing detection is a big part of being able to use it on grounded opponents.

 

[ETWIST51294]

Reasons:

Jiggs's "flaws"

1. She is light: She dies easier from most characters. That is obvious.

2. Sheild break OHKO: She shouldn't abuse using shield against pressure fiends and attacks that take a lot of a shield down (such as Marth's neutral b) but in reality, this flaw is a nitpick. If you break an opponents shield and punish correctly they are usally dead anyway. And secondly, Jiggs isn't on the ground a lot and her main defense is weaving.

3. No projectile: Self explanatory... but the flaw doesn't really stick out that much. She can still be very campy even without one and she can fight against projectiles easily with a low crouch/high mobility.

You forgot that her CC is *** and she can't do anything when you're under her

Jiggs's "pros"

1. One bad MU (Fox 55:45). What an ouch!

Nobody really agrees with this anymore. Fox, Marth, and apparently (according to Hax) Falcon all beat her. Hax said falcon is the best against her because of how easily he can get under her and do damage.

6. Minimal risk character: Jiggs can do things that would normally kill the entire cast. Her off stage game is something that Falco has wet dreams about and all of her (important) attacks are low lag and difficult to punish. The only risk she has is if she misses a rest.

Falco's worse. He has the best approach and he's the best at stopping approaches. it's ********.

Wavedashing isn't essential

Yes it is.

and L-cancelling is important but not as important as other characters since she retreats before she can get punished anyway.

You miss an L-cancel against falcon, Marth, or Fox you either die or take a good amount of damage with bad positioning.

Verdict: Call me a hater but I think Jiggs is the most unbalanced character in melee. (Statisically speaking) In no way does her pros and cons balance eachother out.

Jiggs is not as great as you're hyping her up to be, the melee scene stopped *****ing about her months ago maybe you should do the same. Go in the lab, look at the match up and stop rushing her **** trying to kill her as fast as possible and maybe you'll beat these average *** Jiggs that don't have extremely good spacing. I really don't think your at the level of melee to notice how retardedly good good Jiggs players spacing is.

She requires little devotion to be good with when compared to characters such as Fox or Falco (who deserve to be top)

Lemme just say this now, FALCO IS THE MOST BRAIN DEAD, ******** CHARACTER IN MELEE, OTHER THAN TECHSKILL FALCO IS EASY MODE FOR THE MOST PART.

 

[Rikana]

In other words; jigs likes it from the side or below you. Jigs exerts too effort when above. Lazy jigs. She's kinky like that.

 

[GHNeko]

*****ing

Toung Link.

 

[Shadic]

Toung Link.

You would like Tongue Link.

 

[Eternal Yoshi]

AHA! I KNEW Marth had the upper hand against Jiggs.

LOL@ Tongue Link.

 

[ManEg]

JCeasar has 666 videos up, I would upload more if I were you

 

[GHNeko]

You would like Tongue Link.

wat.

ur dum.

Toon Link in P:M will dance around Jiggs just like young link can in melee. looool

 

[standardtoaster]

Bomb -> Dair. All dai erry dai. :V

 

[Blarg I'm Dead]

Anything that's questionable for top tiers to you is likely already addressed in the upcoming patch. So please, calm down, relax, and wait for the patch.

It's oversights like this that define why the characters are said to be "close to done".

Speaking of, is there a list of [or link to] adjustments being made for the patch?

What do you guys plan to do until project M is complete with the demo? For example, slight updates like added character/stages when they are completed without errors or just one final release after the patched demo?

 

[Revven]

Speaking of, is there a list of [or link to] adjustments being made for the patch?

There will be a list when the patch is released, we have been keeping a log of what's been changed.

What do you guys plan to do until project M is complete with the demo? For example, slight updates like added character/stages when they are completed without errors or just one final release after the patched demo?

Nothing is really set in stone from when the patch comes out and final release. We'll let you know though if that changes.

 

[leelue]

Is that information in the OP? you seem to have to answer the same questions every two and a half pages.

 

[Blarg I'm Dead]

There will be a list when the patch is released, we have been keeping a log of what's been changed.

Nothing is really set in stone from when the patch comes out and final release. We'll let you know though if that changes.

Nice sounds good.

Is that information in the OP? you seem to have to answer the same questions every two and a half pages.

It isn't. I read through the original post but I was worried I'd be asking a question that comes up fairly often haha.

 

[JCaesar]

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/jcaesar-brawl
Full roster baby :D

 

[Akuma2120]

Link's UAir hitbox actually isn't that big in Melee. Landing detection is a big part of being able to use it on grounded opponents.

Thanks for the reply, yea I figured i was landing detection


Also, I stopped using buffer... and some things are just plain easier to do, please explain this to me 0_o

 

[Grim Tuesday]

No one responded last time I said it: Brawl DI makes Sheik a beast, will the knock-back on her tilts be buffed in the patch so they can be DI'd?

 

[JCaesar]

N o

 

[Grim Tuesday]

I'll reply to what you said before you edited your post:
Because it makes the demo frustrating and not fun?

 

[Ghostbone]

Is there any reason Falco can still Instant Illusion and both spacies still carry the momentum from side-b?

Fox doesn't need even more recovery mix-ups >.>

 

[ETWIST51294]

Yeah, is it possible to change that?

 

[Revven]

Changed in the patch, moving along.

 

[GHNeko]

i wish marth counter didnt have set kb ;_;

 

[Eternal Yoshi]

Marth's counter never had set KB IIRC, at least in V1.
It's KGB in V1 was very low.

Don't believe me?
Use counter on a foe that has 35% and 170%.

 

[Akuma2120]

I have so much trouble fighting another Link... is that normal? Having a hard time facing the same character you main? -_-

 

[Barrier]

Stream is looking good.

 

[GHNeko]

Marth's counter never had set KB IIRC, at least in V1.
It's KGB in V1 was very low.

Don't believe me?
Use counter on a foe that has 35% and 170%.

it does now and if it doesnt, i wish he had Brawl counter back lol

 

[IYM!]

I have so much trouble fighting another Link... is that normal? Having a hard time facing the same character you main? -_-

in order to win a mirrow match ( X character vs the same character) you have to know more about your character than your oponent.


Link is good creating a wall, but if you pass trough his spam? remeber how many hards times you had when your oponents penetrate your wall.

Nair is the faster option, if he want kill you with Fair or Dair, remember use Nair. Link mainers forget use it sometimes, be smarter and do Nair.

if he bull off a bomb, he will can do something meanwile he is pulling out the bomb?, remeber it1 he is open for a grab or a hit


in other words, you have to know your weakness to defeat Link. is normal been defeated by your own character, if you loose is why you are doing a move when you have to do another.


just play smarter and practice, you gonna win with practice

 

[Machiavelli.CF]

I have so much trouble fighting another Link... is that normal? Having a hard time facing the same character you main? -_-

Its always been annoying for me, it depends on the characters though.

 

[Akuma2120]

in order to win a mirrow match ( X character vs the same character) you have to know more about your character than your oponent.


Link is good creating a wall, but if you pass trough his spam? remeber how many hards times you had when your oponents penetrate your wall.

Nair is the faster option, if he want kill you with Fair or Dair, remember use Nair. Link mainers forget use it sometimes, be smarter and do Nair.

if he bull off a bomb, he will can do something meanwile he is pulling out the bomb?, remeber it1 he is open for a grab or a hit


in other words, you have to know your weakness to defeat Link. is normal been defeated by your own character, if you loose is why you are doing a move when you have to do another.


just play smarter and practice, you gonna win with practice

Thanks for the advice, and I do use Nair quite a bit, but what's dumb is I even have a hard time against the CPUs when they're Link lol

Its always been annoying for me, it depends on the characters though.

No other mirror match is an annoyance for me except this one

 

[R00R]

Im loving the game but I just had a serious problem with my wii and I was wondering if it could be related to project M?

Ever since I started using project M my wii has been have a hard time reading the brawl disk, even when I start up vbrawl. Everytime I try to boot the game through Gecko it says there is an error and its not reading it even as a brawl disk anymore. I always would get it work eventually till today...

I can play Mario Galaxy, Mario Kart Wii, and melee, they all work fine; but Brawl simply will not load. I have tried 5 different copy's of brawl, 2 of which were almost new and cleaned with alcohol. Can anyone offer any help?

 

[GPDP]

Im loving the game but I just had a serious problem with my wii and I was wondering if it could be related to project M?

Ever since I started using project M my wii has been have a hard time reading the brawl disk, even when I start up vbrawl. Everytime I try to boot the game through Gecko it says there is an error and its not reading it even as a brawl disk anymore. I always would get it work eventually till today...

I can play Mario Galaxy, Mario Kart Wii, and melee, they all work fine; but Brawl simply will not load. I have tried 5 different copy's of brawl, 2 of which were almost new and cleaned with alcohol. Can anyone offer any help?

Unfortunately, the Wii is not very good at reading double-layer discs, and Brawl happens to be one of them. It's very taxing on the Wii's laser, and there's a chance it will stop reading Brawl eventually. The fact that this happened when you got into Project M is, I think, a coincidence.

My Wii already stopped reading my Brawl disc as well. I'm ok with that, though, since I use a USB loader, which is much more convenient AND makes loading times faster.