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Project M Social Thread
- Thread starter Project M
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At high level play it wouldn't make any difference
At low level play it would be more difficult for new players to ease into the game for really no reason.
It adds no competitive depth to the game. It infact removes options, as it takes at least 1 frame to jumpcancel a run into an upsmash.
as far as kaizo's complaint goes, there's nothing preventing the same from being abused in melee, so I don't really understand the issue here. Jeff shouldn't have gotten hit and instead ***** like we know he can.
plus those are old vids.
Rikana hit it right on point
..and how does it not make a difference even at high level play? makes no sense to me since last time i checked even high level players were human. (except for M2K ofcourse)
you say it adds no competitive depth but just the fact that there's slight room for error makes the game just that much more competitive and exciting (no matter how small of a factor it is)
when all these small factors come together....that's what determines a game's replay value.
..and how does it not make a difference even at high level play? makes no sense to me since last time i checked even high level players were human. (except for M2K ofcourse)
you say it adds no competitive depth but just the fact that there's slight room for error makes the game just that much more competitive and exciting (no matter how small of a factor it is)
when all these small factors come together....that's what determines a game's replay value.
UltiMario
Out of Obscurity
The thing is, there isn't a reason to remove it either.
Remember, this isn't a Melee clone, this is Melee 2.0, if there is a new mechanic that improves on an old one, why should we remove it just to make it more like Melee?
Remember, this isn't a Melee clone, this is Melee 2.0, if there is a new mechanic that improves on an old one, why should we remove it just to make it more like Melee?
my whole last post is a reason
i fail to see how "Improvement" = "Facilitating the execution of a move" when talking about a game that revolves around technicality
Stevo
Smash Champion
I would leave it.
Reason is, some people may want to use the new feature of turning joystick jumping off, which wouldnt let them use the run up-smash ala melee. (as far as I can tell)
Also, I agree, there is really no reason to remove it, everyone jump cancels before up smash anyway. So new players will have it easy with 1 technique, so what. They will have a difficult time adjusting to many of melee's advanced techniques as it is.
oh and kaizo
NOBODY messes up a jump cancel up-smash from a run. I'm not so sure Mew2king is even human, but he definitely would not mess up a run up-smash.
Reason is, some people may want to use the new feature of turning joystick jumping off, which wouldnt let them use the run up-smash ala melee. (as far as I can tell)
Also, I agree, there is really no reason to remove it, everyone jump cancels before up smash anyway. So new players will have it easy with 1 technique, so what. They will have a difficult time adjusting to many of melee's advanced techniques as it is.
oh and kaizo
NOBODY messes up a jump cancel up-smash from a run. I'm not so sure Mew2king is even human, but he definitely would not mess up a run up-smash.
G
genkaku
Guest
Blaming M2K's victory on the C stick and raising an issue over what should make absolutely no difference beyond an obligatory frame is a little childish.
Fly_Amanita
Master of Caribou
One shouldn't bump up the minimal technical skill requirements if it doesn't somehow have a notable positive effect on gameplay. Of course the C-stick usmash out of a dash should be kept.
I think that whole match was M2K being an ******* and trying to make a statement over either stale moves or something else.
I dun liek M2K.
inb4himshowinguphere
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>_>
Archangel
Smash Hero
I actually think it should be kept. why make something like that more difficult...
Besides I can name hundreds of times when my fox would SH Nair or Uair when I meant to Upsmash. It's always been an annoyance to me.
Besides I can name hundreds of times when my fox would SH Nair or Uair when I meant to Upsmash. It's always been an annoyance to me.
Stevo
Smash Champion
really?
I didnt realize people actually have difficulty with that......
spam arrows, are you primarily a brawl player?
i've never known of anyone, newbs included, having trouble with it after playing melee for like, a week.
I didnt realize people actually have difficulty with that......
spam arrows, are you primarily a brawl player?
i've never known of anyone, newbs included, having trouble with it after playing melee for like, a week.
ynnek123
Smash Ace
yeah, i didnt even mess it up when i just learned about it lol..
FireBall Stars
Smash Ace
Okay then, let's remove the C stick commands since it's a shortcut to the Smash Attacks/Aerials.
lol
If you do a Upsmash from a run, you should not jump because of it, it's just a run... then an Upsmash >_> what kind of difficulty is in that?
If you choose Tap Jump Off you can still use the JC Usmashes(out of run, out of shield) by pressing the jump button right before using the C stick or the A button+up.
lol
If you do a Upsmash from a run, you should not jump because of it, it's just a run... then an Upsmash >_> what kind of difficulty is in that?
If you choose Tap Jump Off you can still use the JC Usmashes(out of run, out of shield) by pressing the jump button right before using the C stick or the A button+up.
Archangel
Smash Hero
That's the same logic. Might as well take it out as well.........
I can do running Upsmashes fine with Up and A button. the **** up seems to happen with the C-stick
btw I haven't played brawl since November of 2008.
FireBall Stars
Smash Ace
You can Dsmash out of a run with the C stick btw. Just needs to dash cancel before.
Stevo
Smash Champion
see that seems unnecessarily awkward for the veteran melee player and newby alike.
and messing up U-smash out of shield is very common, but we are discussing c-stick up causing an up-smash from a run. OoS Usmash (as far as i know) has nothing to do with that.
FireBall Stars
Smash Ace
I don't see how much, many Brawl players do it normally, I think it wouldn't be a problem to most people. If it wasn't by some limitations, Tap Jump Off would be chosen by every one.
The things are simple, both Usmash OoS and Usmash from a run, are jump cancelled Upsmashes, every Upsmash is jump cancelled if your tap jump is on or if you are not playing brawl.
But I see the point, since the C stick command to up don't use a jump, it shouldn't cause and JC Upsmash.
Even if you remove it, they can jump then use the C stick anyway, it would just add an extra command.
Stevo
Smash Champion
well as far as I can tell (and speaking as a melee veteran) under the current system (with "easy" run up-smashes) the only thing I would lose out on by removing tap jump would be up-smash out of shield, which I guess I could get used to tapping a jump button first, if need be.
Most people are so used to playing with it on that it might be a non-issue.
I personally HATE when I try to egg throw with yoshi BEFORE my double jump, and end up gimping myself lol.
Most people are so used to playing with it on that it might be a non-issue.
I personally HATE when I try to egg throw with yoshi BEFORE my double jump, and end up gimping myself lol.
JCaesar
Smash Hero
It was awkward to learn (mostly for JC grabs and up-B OOS), but no way in hell am I ever turning tap jump back on
Stevo
Smash Champion
totally forgot about up-b out of shield...
well anyway, the fact of the matter is, up-smash from a dash is easy no matter what, so it's a non-issue (IMO)
well anyway, the fact of the matter is, up-smash from a dash is easy no matter what, so it's a non-issue (IMO)
FireBall Stars
Smash Ace
That's basically what I was thinking, thanks for putting it in better words.
As I don't naturally speak english some words just get away from my mind. D:
You can do that =\ just not out of the initial dash. Crouch out of the run then C-stick in whatever direction.
NinjaFoxX
Banned via Warnings
i see no reason to remove it. then again my tapjump=off.
keep it, itll just give DJC characters another liability they dont need...
keep it, itll just give DJC characters another liability they dont need...
Revven
FrankerZ
Kaizo's thought process is exactly the reason why it won't be changed. That minor thing does nothing positive or negative for the game. It's just there and there's really no reason in using up time to remove it just because "GAH! ONE LESS BUTTON TO PRESS = TOO EASY". You might as well say that for C-stick entirely, it's one less button to press so why not? It makes it easier, let's remove C-stick smashes altogether!
See, no, that argument is full of fallacy and you know it.
See, no, that argument is full of fallacy and you know it.
well i'm glad to have made a contribution to the project
and once again...Rikana right on point, was starting to believe half the people here were illiterate
Revven
FrankerZ
And you think that argument is solid? It's not.
Let's remove c-sticking altogether, it's one less button than pressing control stick + A.
Clearly that argument is solid because I can apply it to something else too that isn't actually a problem in the first place.
/facepalm
w/e dude i misunderstood you.
Chill out. It's not a big deal and throwing out insults doesn't help the matter. At all.
FireBall Stars
Smash Ace
Stevo
Smash Champion
Let's all assume for a minute that dash cstick upsmash is currently in (which it is, DERP)
What is the argument to remove it?
up-smash during a run has been in smash since 64.
What is the argument to remove it?
up-smash during a run has been in smash since 64.
ynnek123
Smash Ace
Honestly, I wouldn't care at all, if you can still jc u-smash, and the brawl usmash and the jc usmash go exactly the same distance lol
Thanks.
I meant the "everyone is illiterate" thing. But it's no big deal haha.
cubaisdeath
Smash Lord
like I said earlier, I always JC usmash, so its not a big deal for me. I like the fact that its in because it makes some characters with small jumpsquat frames easier to running usmash (sheik and fox especially). Like some others were saying earlier, it helps people that are newer to the game get into it. and to all those people talking about m2k's fox usmash shenanigans, you have to realize something. he plays the gayest way possible. if there is something guaranteed, he'll take it
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