Project M Social Thread

[Sneak8288]

if you know both the sheik and zelda match up it wont be a problem.. if you dont.. then you deserve to lose vs them. transforming isn't over powered

 

[OverLade]

Dude...why is anyone complaining? How is making Zelda better changing the high tiers? People who like Sheik will still play sheik and people who like zelda will still play zelda. Sheik will still be better than Zelda and Zelda will still play like Zelda. If people wanna learn both characters they will, many sheik/zelda players in brawl use both and the same will apply...

It's not like the character will be overly good or something.

 

[Sterowent]

i guess i thought it'd be a problem. this game holds high the ability to counterpick. i figured going against this would be a point of concern. welp, if it's not a big deal then it's not.

 

[TLMSheikant]

Im a sheik main in melee and I already have a pocket zelda. Buffing zelda =/= changing the high tiers.

 

[Sterowent]

for the sake of keeping the peace, i'll agree to disagree. i'd settle for calling it an introduction to (edit) a substantially buffed 'playstyle'.

 

[[TSON]]

As for the weakness system. That would be ****ing funny but extremely gay considering a Falcon Kick would be the equivalent of a rest from Puff. LOLOLOLOL

The weakness system is part of vBrawl, you know that, right?

and anyone who complains about being able to switch between characters being OP... i have nothing to say to you.

 

[Eternal Yoshi]

I won't lie. When I tested out Marth I felt a little bit Mind *****. The range actually isn't as off as it looked so thats good. However the Side-B didn't stall didn't work and Grabs didn't work the same. However the grab attacks where funny as hell. Grab, 1000000 knees, release, repeat.

@ Fireball Star

I kind of feel like Snake could be a bit like Falcon weight. I don't see the reason for him to be a super heavyweight when he's suppose to be a stealthy character in MGS.

He's carrying a lot of stuff and his suit is heavy.
Listen to the opening where he mentions his suit being heavy.
It's why he doesn't move quickly.
He's also another one of those characters with seemingly bottomless equipment.
His weight value was aparrently set when his model was bigger.
His physical size is a bit larger than Falcon and Ike.
Making him weigh the same as Yoshi seems best.

Edit: Marth needs subtitles.

 

[Crispy4001]

if you know both the sheik and zelda match up it wont be a problem.. if you dont.. then you deserve to lose vs them. transforming isn't over powered

This. You almost never see transformations anyways.

 

[Rikana]

Edit: Marth needs subtitles.

lol'd.

Anyways. Snake being heavy makes sense with the ton of stuff he carries. But this is Smash where weight never makes sense. As long as it feels good when playing then that's all that matters to me (such as MK as a FF'er). Is Bowser going to be left light weighted? With all the defense options he's getting, I think it would be suitable to change him back to being a combo bait as he can probably put up a fight now.

Edit: Also, what's the surprise Olimar upB that Shanus said he would reveal? I want to know.

 

[smash Your m0m]

have 1 big problem wit PM..and its the wall jumpin system....

for example yoshi island...u cant wall jump if ur to low (above the bubble) and there is still wall there..same thing with hyrule64 u cant wall jump if ur to low...

also 1 wall jump aint enuff i understand if u get unlimited wall jumps u can jus wall jump back up to the stage..y not give each char. 3 wall jumps max..... scar jumpin...

 

[FireBall Stars]

Snake carries a lot of stuff, yes, but his suit isn't that heavy, just restrains some movement. However, it does make sense for the things he is carrying being heavier than Wario and a little less than yoshi. If we see Link, he weighs nearly the same as Falcon, but people know that hylians aren't much of a tall race(not only in smash, in soul calibur II Link is smaller than most characters) nor have much of a muscular development, his heavyweight likely comes from the amount of things that he carries.

Out of that not important issue now to a more important (not so much anyway)

Transforming will never be OP, even in the zelda/sheik scenario, it may be possible that the MU is bad/neutral to both characters, and the zelda/sheik player will not have a real advantage.

And still, the transformation time takes some time to happen, no one will be able to change anytime, specially in a fast paced game like that.

Never seeing transformations isn't an argument, in the smashes that Zelda and Sheik exists aren't balanced(Brawl+ scene isn't much of a example), there's no reason to transform, but in a balanced game, the player will not have a reason(excluding personal reasons) to not learn to play as the two characters to be able to transform if necessary.

 

[ValTroX]

have 1 big problem wit PM..and its the wall jumpin system....

for example yoshi island...u cant wall jump if ur to low (above the bubble) and there is still wall there..same thing with hyrule64 u cant wall jump if ur to low...

also 1 wall jump aint enuff i understand if u get unlimited wall jumps u can jus wall jump back up to the stage..y not give each char. 3 wall jumps max..... scar jumpin...

That's an easy fix for them, also wall jump loses power if done repeatedly.

 

[SymphonicSage12]

have 1 big problem wit PM..and its the wall jumpin system....

for example yoshi island...u cant wall jump if ur to low (above the bubble) and there is still wall there..same thing with hyrule64 u cant wall jump if ur to low...

They fixed this a LONG time ago. Like, Brawl+ ago.

also 1 wall jump aint enuff i understand if u get unlimited wall jumps u can jus wall jump back up to the stage..y not give each char. 3 wall jumps max..... scar jumpin...

Wall jumps lose power with each jump.

Comments and stuff

 

[L/A/W]

symphonic do you know what scar jumping is?

 

[GP&B]

I haven't looked at the collisions for either stage, but it's very simple to adjust to the collisions further down.

Also, that reminds me. Have wall jump physics been meleefied or at least made closer to Melee?

 

[Blitzkrieg98]

have 1 big problem wit PM..and its the wall jumpin system....

for example yoshi island...u cant wall jump if ur to low (above the bubble) and there is still wall there..same thing with hyrule64 u cant wall jump if ur to low...

also 1 wall jump aint enuff i understand if u get unlimited wall jumps u can jus wall jump back up to the stage..y not give each char. 3 wall jumps max..... scar jumpin...

This is - more or less - a stage related problem rather than having to do with P:M. Usually below the blast line, the walls are set to "No Walljump", which is an easy fix in BrawlBox. The stages I have made (and, am currently remaking) is only walljumpable in areas without an inclination.

Also, it is my opinion that I don't want to wait 64 frames to walljump again (a la Brawl+'s previous and current versions). Leaving that code out would probably be more suitable for a game with higher gravity settings. But, if anybody wants to refute this, go ahead.

EDIT: Woot, big ninja.

 

[smash Your m0m]

yessssssssssss i cant wait for the wall jump gets fixed...i noticed wit mario in PM if u wall jump and pull back to the wall fast enuff u can pretty much recover with out a up-b.....i think a limit of wall jumps would make it better.....in brawl+ u can wall jump unlimited amount of times but also descending which is more like melee...so its pretty much 2 options to think about..i dont no which would be a better fit for the game..becuz the wall jump only affects chars that can WJ obv....so which would be better?

This is - more or less - a stage related problem rather than having to do with P:M. Usually below the blast line, the walls are set to "No Walljump", which is an easy fix in BrawlBox. The stages I have made (and, am currently remaking) is only walljumpable in areas without an inclination.

Also, it is my opinion that I don't want to wait 64 frames to walljump again (a la Brawl+'s previous and current versions). Leaving that code out would probably be more suitable for a game with higher gravity settings. But, if anybody wants to refute this, go ahead.

EDIT: Woot, big ninja.

naw every char can only WJ once for sum reason...i tryed it wit mario in hyrule64 how i found it out....wall jump 2 up-b wj dont work...but if u up-b wj it works...keepin in mind i am at a good height to WJ

 

[Strong Badam]

for those of you who found the l-cancel flash a bit too potent, I'm currently working on toning it down slightly so it's noticeable but not an eyesore. something like 80-90% as potent should be aight.

 

[ynnek123]

Actually I have to try hard to see it in the first place, but that might just be me.

 

[smash Your m0m]

i really never noticed it...i mostly watch my opponents char. i rarely look at my own char. but thats jus me... do ur thing

 

[Strong Badam]

a good strategy while playing. however, when you're watching a video, it becomes more noticeable.

 

[JCaesar]

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/jcaesar-brawl

Thunderhorse, Count Kaiser, and me.

 

[SymphonicSage12]

Jw what's gonna be done about Pikachu's wavedash. In melee it's so short that it makes him have a crappy wavedash (and it also makes it "harder" to wavedash because you have mentally-impaired hands like me, you end up triangle jumping all the time.) Is the length gonna be increased?

 

[L/A/W]

Jw what's gonna be done about Pikachu's wavedash. In melee it's so short that it makes him have a crappy wavedash (and it also makes it "harder" to wavedash because you have mentally-impaired hands like me, you end up triangle jumping all the time.) Is the length gonna be increased?

it's fine
his biggest problems are his range and shield, his wavedash is fine as is imo
also i don't see how you end up triangle jumping during his but whatever

 

[SymphonicSage12]

Because I have slow fingers and his wavedash timing (lol) is harder than other characters. Maybe it's just my slow fingers.

 

[Blitzkrieg98]

naw every char can only WJ once for sum reason...i tryed it wit mario in hyrule64 how i found it out....wall jump 2 up-b wj dont work...but if u up-b wj it works...keepin in mind i am at a good height to WJ

Last I checked, you can multi-Walljump in Brawl+, but you have to wait 64 frames between walljumps. You may have been trying too early.

 

[FireBall Stars]

With QAC and his great jump->dash momentum conservation I doubt he will ever need a good wavedash.

Great stream guys, liked it. Still can't believe that falco's shine killed ganondorf lol

 

[Sneak8288]

i have a stream coming soon

 

[I R MarF]

I think Wario's ftilt should be the kick and his fsmash should be a punch (like Mario's 64 fmash).

It just seems more Wario IMO.

 

[smash Your m0m]

Last I checked, you can multi-Walljump in Brawl+, but you have to wait 64 frames between walljumps. You may have been trying too early.

that is b+...i am talkin bout PM it dont work

 

[FireBall Stars]

i have a stream coming soon

Looking forward to see your snake again sneak.

 

[Strong Badam]

Because I have slow fingers and his wavedash timing (lol) is harder than other characters. Maybe it's just my slow fingers.

Timing should be the same as Fox's. No, he won't be getting a much longer wavedash than in Melee. It's a good spacing tool; it doesn't matter how far it goes tbh. Dash Dance WaveDash is the best movement option ever.

that is b+...i am talkin bout PM it dont work

This was fixed earlier today.

 

[ynnek123]

i have a stream coming soon

Define soon?(Tomorrow, in one hour,...)

 

[Archangel]

New tech-skill Video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkk9dCPLhNs&feature=popular

 

[Sneak8288]

sadly everytime i keep trying to broadcast it says adobe flash player crash... yea its being gay with my comp right now for some reason. I'll upload vids later tonight tho

 

[ClinkStryphart]

sadly everytime i keep trying to broadcast it says adobe flash player crash... yea its being gay with my comp right now for some reason. I'll upload vids later tonight tho

hmmm somethings that might be interfering with it sneak might be if you have NoScript I know that blocks flashplayers aton of times. Also sometimes AdBlockPlus If you have it blocks some streaming things such as on JustinTv for example. For those well Im pretty sure you know of allowing NoScript but for ABP you need to turn it off especially for JTV for some odd reason.

Question about Pokemon Trainer since it looks like hes currently the topic of suggestion on characters. Are you guys planning or if its at all possible are you gonna allow them to change in the air? I dunno if you ask me though only being able to switch on ground/death idk is a little lame.

 

[Archangel]

hmmm somethings that might be interfering with it sneak might be if you have NoScript I know that blocks flashplayers aton of times. Also sometimes AdBlockPlus If you have it blocks some streaming things such as on JustinTv for example. For those well Im pretty sure you know of allowing NoScript but for ABP you need to turn it off especially for JTV for some odd reason.

Question about Pokemon Trainer since it looks like hes currently the topic of suggestion on characters. Are you guys planning or if its at all possible are you gonna allow them to change in the air? I dunno if you ask me though only being able to switch on ground/death idk is a little lame.

Changing in mid-air leads to to many lame shenanigan. Stall-tactics and such.

 

[ClinkStryphart]

ahh so i see

 

[SymphonicSage12]

New tech-skill Video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkk9dCPLhNs&feature=popular

I can't believe I actually fell for that....

 

[I R MarF]

This is kind of random, but how are guys handling D3?

New tech-skill Video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkk9dCPLhNs&feature=popular

Response: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3kQk-lgFRI