Project M Social Thread

[JCaesar]

Sheik will get her Melee fair back in full force, chill. There is no anti-Sheik bias.

Sneak, did you get Shiz or anyone else to play more Project M yesterday? If not I may be forced to post our G&W vs Snake match. You know the one

 

[SymphonicSage12]

Some people obv don't read through this thread carefully.

That Sheik + Falco match was with an outdated codeset!

 

[shanus]

Yeah, ur not the only one. I noticed that too. Falco shouldve gotten gimped if it was the same as melee. Everyone seems to hate sheik + no one has the codeset in PR so w/e im not hyped anymore for this. :/

I love how your not hyped over something work-in-progress... Not every top tier gets finished in a day, if it was the case the project would be out by now.

 

[CountKaiser]

It's amazing how one thing off, which came from an OLD set, has killed the hype for some people.

Seriously guys, stop being ignorant.

 

[FrozenHobo]

Yeah, ur not the only one. I noticed that too. Falco shouldve gotten gimped if it was the same as melee. Everyone seems to hate sheik + no one has the codeset in PR so w/e im not hyped anymore for this. :/

y'all be some ignorant mother ****ers up in here.

 

[Shadic]

Everyone seems to hate sheik + no one has the codeset in PR so w/e im not hyped anymore for this. :/

If that's your average intellect, then we're not aiming for your satisfaction. Seriously. Dumb.

 

[JCaesar]

Ok guys drop it. He got the message.

Anyway...

MOMBO COMBO!!!

 

[Sora-kun]

y'all be some ignorant mother ****ers up in here.

you're my new hero.


and that combo was bad***.

 

[FireBall Stars]

I wouldn't mind sheik having her fair being underpowered, even just a little.

But I guess you had found a way to compensate, so it may be alright.

 

[♡ⓛⓞⓥⓔ♡]

Sheik's fair is no way overpowered in melee, it's just easy to set up

 

[SymphonicSage12]

The awesomeness about Sheik's fair in melee is somewhat its power, but mostly its ease to set up and its semispike angle.

 

[Strong Badam]

Melee Sheik's Fair angle is 25.
Project M Sheik's Fair angle is 25.

...

 

[Melomaniacal]

How does PM work with Nana's AI?

 

[Krautrock]

How is work on the Melee camera coming? I think that may be one of the major reasons people complain the game doesn't "feel like melee" despite the faithful character replications. The Brawl camera is awful - it stays zoomed too far out and doesn't do those crucial wobbles on dramatic hits.

 

[Stev]

I'm intrigued. I want to try!

 

[a nub]

So it seems jcaesar uploaded the apex vids. ima hop on that even though I saw most of them in person, shiz is too good

 

[SymphonicSage12]

Melee Sheik's Fair angle is 25.
Project M Sheik's Fair angle is 25.

...

The video people were complaining about was an outdated video.

 

[JCaesar]

Not all of them yet. I'm gonna have to upload the rest probably Wednesday. So you'll have to wait for Shiz vs Kage, but it will be worth it, trust me

 

[Plum]

http://www.youtube.com/user/JCaesar007#g/u

HypeM

 

[I R MarF]

Hungry Box's Jiggs didn't seem as potent, but I had to rub my eyes a few times when I saw Shiz's Falco; you guys seriously have recreated him in Brawl. Great work P:M developers!

 

[JCaesar]

Jiggs still needs a lot of work.

I'm gonna try to upload some more tonight if my ****ty internet lets me.

 

[Sterowent]

had the same feeling, marf. but, you know, he was trying to use jab resets which aren't perfect yet i'm pretty sure, and i'm somewhat sure that falco recovers just a tad differently right now, so he missed those rests too. i'm certain puff isn't as done as falco right now (edit: nailed the obvious, yesss), and hbox felt it.

but the matches were good. vs hbox's DDD and lee's lucario mighta been the bestttt

 

[.Fade]

Hungry Box's Jiggs didn't seem as potent, but I had to rub my eyes a few times when I saw Shiz's Falco; you guys seriously have recreated him in Brawl. Great work P:M developers!

I agree so much. I'd say the U-throw needs to put Falco into more hitstun, or give more frame advantage? Hbox doesn't miss many rests, and you could see Shiz just barely escaped. The Hbox b-air looks like it missing something...not sure what. It didn't quite have the same walling properties Hbox was used to. This is all from eye tho, not sure about all this.

 

[SymphonicSage12]

I think Jiggz up throw has more bkb in brawl than in melee...not sure though. Something is very different between it and melee's though.

 

[Strong Badam]

I agree so much. I'd say the U-throw needs to put Falco into more hitstun, or give more frame advantage? Hbox doesn't miss many rests, and you could see Shiz just barely escaped. The Hbox b-air looks like it missing something...not sure what. It didn't quite have the same walling properties Hbox was used to. This is all from eye tho, not sure about all this.

This might be why.

Unfortunately, throw data from Melee doesn't transfer over to Project M like other move knockback/angle/damage data does. We'll need to spend a lot of time to get those correct. As of now most of them are kinda close but not exact yet.

 

[L/A/W]

will foxes melee vertex be the standard or will it be optional(bad option)?

 

[Strong Badam]

That has not been decided yet. I'm of the opinion that it should be standard.

 

[stingers]

wow what...that's silly...leave the brawl models...unless you want to put melee vertexes on every melee character

 

[JCaesar]

I think Kirby should have his Melee model back. Who's with me?

 

[stingers]

give young link his melee model back...thats about it

 

[L/A/W]

wow what...that's silly...leave the brawl models...unless you want to put melee vertexes on every melee character

no it's not. brawl fox is horrible and a ton of people agree
but he's the only character that really needs one imo

 

[Strong Badam]

We all know that Fox looks better with his Brawl clown shoes.

 

[Archangel]

Aside from brawl and Grandpa Ganon I don't really care.

Also nice vids JC. I wish the crowd reaction for some were recorded. I never thought anything from a brawl disk could make melee players owwww and OOOOOOOOH!

 

[GPDP]

Eh, IMO I'd rather vertex hacks be made optional, including Fox's. Melee models just clash too much with Brawl's overall art direction, ESPECIALLY if only one or a couple of characters are given their Melee models while the rest remain the same.

As long as the gameplay is Melee, I'm satisfied.

 

[CTL17]

I think Kirby should have his Melee model back. Who's with me?

Jigglypuff too!

On the topic of Jiggs... after watching HBox, he's forced to not BAir everything since it doesn't have über range and knockback and all. I don't know if you're going to decide to restore her BAir and soften her FAir in exchange.
I blame HBox's techchase rests missing due to the change in roll distances. They seem to roll farther than expected. I don't know if that's a psychological thing.
I don't know if HBox uses muscle memory to get rest comboes, but the timing definitely feels different. The comboes still work, but the rest tends to be later than usual, as I've noticed. I think it's because she falls faster than she's supposed to. If anything, she just seems to move differently.
Rising Pound causes a net loss in height. She falls too much before she can pound again. See comment about rest comboes.

Despite all of this... she is still very broken.

 

[Sora-kun]

MK has clown shoes and mittens and he's top tier <_< so why not fox with clown shoes?

i'm jk btw. melee fox ftw.

 

[Revven]

will foxes melee vertex be the standard or will it be optional(bad option)?

First, it's not even done so it has to look good to even be considered (assuming GW is actually still trying to make it). Second of all, I believe we covered this topic already so I don't know why you had to bring it up again. Third, I believe it was decided that it would have to be debated for Fox but most people seemed fine with allowing Fox to be changed (but only Fox).

Soooo basically, it hasn't been decided officially.

Edit: CTL, Jiggly's hitbox stats (not sizes) were ported fairly recently, it was just Hbox most likely missing Bairs because of not being used to the different spacing.

 

[Strong Badam]

her physics are exactly the same. techroll distance/frame data isn't the same. players might actually have to adjust in order to play this game (omfg).
or we just haven't gotten around to techs/techrolls/groundroll frame data and distances yet.

 

[Wind Owl]

Her physics are the same, but rising pound is probably wrong.

Do we want her to have infinite recovery though...?

 

[Sora-kun]

meta knight had infinite recovery and sakurai let him keep it <_< same logic with jiggz?

i <3 sakurai logic.