I have yet to see any recent videos involving Sonic.
Have people been able, to some extend, adapt to his playstyle by now?
Not really. I think the opposite started to happen: people got better at being patient with Sonic. Early Sonic videos and gameplay were flooded with aggressiveness, or in the days of Side B you would see a bajillion of those. That stuff is much easier to handle than constantly waiting outside someones range and using his speed to get in safely instead of flying in from far away non stop. People also caught on to the massive shield pressure Sonic could generate by wavedashing out of spin up close. Sonic was kind of goofy and unrefined early on lol, or at least the way he was played sometimes made it look that way.
I think the point that DMG is trying to make is that just linking a set where someone goes toe-to-toe with Sonic doesn't mean that he's a healthy presence in the metagame. There's plenty of room to discuss the good and the bad instead of just assuming he's too powerful or that nobody knows the matchup yet.
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Sonic has more than his fair share of tournament wins and people long before Apex, long before Zenith, long before blah blah blah had Sonic come up in discussion, and watching the video itself doesn't even really showcase Sonic struggling that much. There were some pretty clear moments where Sonic got in her face and the rest didn't matter lol. It wasn't 6 minutes each match of B shot, Side B, and walls that Sonic couldn't deal with. Sanity, do you want to see the Wizzrobe MM's he had, one with Strong Bad? Made me want to never play DK again, the blue ball of lame killed the spirit. I can find matches of Sonic literally spinning in place, and winning the MU because the other character has no answer or has to risk way too much to land a blow, and doesn't lead into a combo or a kill. Wizzrobe literally won matches by going to the other side of the stage and waiting, in ball form most of the time. Which is fine, except for the part where the other character has to deal with it and can't.
There's not a lot to adapt to. The fact that he doesn't have to commit to much of anything in his neutral game means a lot of the time is spent trying to trick Sonic into running into your moves, rather than being proactive in any way. Some characters, like Peach and Falco, do a pretty good job of it by virtue of their long-lasting hitboxes and ability to control space. Most others really can't do anything about it and must rely on Sonic to make mistakes, which isn't good for competition or fun. :/
But But! We're not supposed to monitor "fun" levels with characters! I liked killing people with Ike's *please insert any A attack here*.
It's not about brokenness, it's about good design and fun gameplay. I feel like Ike is better in some regards than he was in 2.1, he feels more fun to me and he feels a lot more like a real character rather than just (fair fair fair fair side-bside-bside-b fair fair fair). I never thought he was one of the best characters in 2.1, I feel he's in the same place in 2.5 but more fun to play. I didn't have anything to do with the development of ike either. You are viewing things as black and white. It's not all about balance.
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Ike makes more sense as a character now. Funner to combo and kill people with, funner for the other person since he won't die at ****in 20% from Fsmash. That sounds like a win win, but for you Ike lovers out there who can't grasp WHY he had infinite walljumps taken away or some of his power scaled back, you're never going to see things this way and are going to miss the point of Ike obtaining better design and the game becoming better for it.
I don't care what point he was making, there was no need for that, I'm a civil person until someone gives me ****, Reflex you can actually disagree with someone without giving them an attitude, you see I didn't get mad at you, but DMG is just a straight up ******* for that
If you disagree with my opinion that's fine, but don't act like I'm attacking you personally with it, I'm out for now I've got way too many people pissing me off today
Not really an attack on you. I could have called you stupid or a Zelda Baddie (TM) or something insulting. The way you talk about the nerfs though DOES sound like you are only considering things from the perspective of playing as the character, instead of against the character. Every character that's been talked about getting nerfed so far, it just happens to be coincidence that you find that character fun and awesome and don't want them nerfed. And in the past, your arguments have been more like "Don't nerf ever until everyone is great" instead of "Wait before nerfing any character to make sure we get it right".
You can have a difference in opinion, just voice it in a way that doesn't make you sound like DrinkingFood (Waaa Ike WAAAAAHHHHH). Clarify why you wouldn't want Sonic or Ike or x to be nerfed, because for a veryyy long time it's sounded like "Spacies are gods, I WANT MOAR GODS!!!?!!?!?!" lol. I've had you in a pile with DF for the last fair bit, you don't want to hear the things he has to say about his slaughtered Waifu Ike.
Why aren't there some small little updates like there were before 2.5?
Even if it's just a little bit like a recolor or something it kept me excited like back in the days waiting for brawl before we all knew what a ****ty piece of trash it really is.
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