Project M Social Thread

[GP&B]

Really? I only saw a couple morons that were there almost purely on the basis of Melee vs. Brawl rather than actually having a reason to hate the video.

 

[L/A/W]

trailer showed some nice progression(waveshining especially)
but tbh the combo's were nothing special at all, the first combo first three uairs to a missed bair to a knee a little later on
however understand you had little footage to work with but their were some combos that should have been there that weren't such as some g-reg combos

tldr: good progression on the project, the combos were lackluster
edit: the wolf combos were **** though

 

[iLink]

Can wolf JC his blaster? Or wtf was going on there.

 

[Blayd]

PAL versions run at 50 FPS.

PAL versions can also run at 60 FPS.
No one plays it with 50 FPS, its so slow.

 

[GP&B]

Ah, I wasn't aware. Now, isn't it earlier consoles like the PAL N64 that only did 50 FPS or am I mistaken?

 

[Blayd]

Ah, I wasn't aware. Now, isn't it earlier consoles like the PAL N64 that only did 50 FPS or am I mistaken?

That's right.
But all later consoles (afaik) support the so-called PAL60 mode so that the game runs at 60 FPS.



The new picture of DL64 looks so good, can't wait to see the final version

 

[JCaesar]

Stingers has a sexy G&W. I'm jealous.

 

[Strong Badam]

Is Termina going to be included?

Stage was banned in Melee, so I'm not sure if there'll be much effort to include it, but if someone re-makes the stage via stage hacking you'll be free to include it on your Wii.

Are you going to leave Fox's FAir in? It's 9001x more useful than his Melee FAir – it sets up for combos and grabs, and considering how good Fox already was in Melee, I don't think he needs the extra buff (unless you're nerfing other things, shine amongst them).

The main thing is that with higher gravity, gl with comboing all of Fair into itself. Lol. In Melee it also set up for combos & grabs, it's just people never used it that way. But I'll look into it.

I believe they restored that function already. If they haven't, it wouldn't be difficult to do.

Someone actually already tried and was unsuccessful with it. Not sure if magical Shanus has or not, though. Either way, Kirby will be good enough (think Brawl Kirby + Melee Physics + N64 Nair) to not need kirbycides to be viable.

Just from the small amount of play I've seen of Kirby, it seems like his new Nair is a bit overcentralizing to his game.

His bair is actually better for approaching than nair is, lol. People have just been amazed by the new nair and want to use it a lot.

Can wolf JC his blaster? Or wtf was going on there.

Yup. He can also ground cancel his shine ala N64 Fox.

 

[humble]

Idk, just from what I've seen (and thats only other people playing a small amount of kirby) the new nair appears to link into itself, has hitboxes on both sides (making it better than bair for cross-ups on shields) deal moderate knockback and damage, and hit at angles good for gimping. Brawl kirby had uair for comboes, dair for shield pressure, and bair for knockback, damage, and gimping. Nair is just currently really useful, being so quick to start, low landing lag (with L canceling, it has pretty much none) and being a sex kick, it can be used in a ton of situations safely. Someones recovering? Nair. Someone airdodged? Nair. Someone just got naired? Nair again. Dunno how its priority is, but hopefully its poor.

But this is just my exaggerated opinion- obviously I don't have access to frame data, percents, knockback, or testing, so we can watch and see how it turns out. Besides, even with its qualities, its just a moderately good move, it isn't MKs dair or anything.

 

[The Good Doctor]

PAL versions run at 50 FPS.

according to a recent thread, it still runs at 60, but you only see 50...

 

[humble]

according to a recent thread, it still runs at 60, but you only see 50...

Who is The Doctor?

Spoiler

</3 I miss David Tennant

And on topic, why did they make PAL slower then NTSC? Just for kicks?

 

[Sora-kun]

Who is The Doctor?

Spoiler

</3 I miss David Tennant

And on topic, why did they make PAL slower then NTSC? Just for kicks?

to give them time to drink cups of tea. pinky fingers out of course.

 

[JCaesar]

I think PAL TVs only display 50 fps. Err, 25. Or something. Isn't the American TV standard 29.97 fps or something? Now I'm just confusing myself.

 

[ds22]

I think PAL TVs only display 50 fps. Err, 25. Or something. Isn't the American TV standard 29.97 fps or something? Now I'm just confusing myself.

PAL TV's are 29.97 fps, NTSC TV's are 30 fps.

 

[Frogles]

kirby nair looks really goofy.

 

[Revven]

It's going to be fixed and by fixed I mean redone.

 

[kenshen]

Trogdor The burninator

Spoiler

 

[Strong Badam]

lmao what the hell dude? XD

 

[MacKellarTeam1]

Someone should make a trogdor charizard texture... Unless its already been done.

Any streams planned soon? Soon as in this week?

 

[stingers]

Stingers has a sexy G&W. I'm jealous.

omg GaW is soooooo fun

<3 that character

 

[Wind Owl]

Magus, Dantarion, and I are cracking Melee physics from the DAT files. Get at us.

 

[CTL17]

Magus, Dantarion, and I are cracking Melee physics from the DAT files. Get at us.

I don't know why I can't imagine you working hard. Maybe it's your avatar.

 

[humble]

I don't know why I can't imagine you working hard. Maybe it's your avatar.

Personally I like Jcaesars new avatar. And wind owl works hard all the time, idk what you are talking about.

 

[I R MarF]

So.... How is Wario doing? Is he still a heavy jiggs?

 

[shanus]

just found the values of melee physics velocities

 

[humble]

just found the values of melee physics velocities

So what does that mean for P:M? My jargon is a bit out of date I guess.

 

[GP&B]

I could make a ton of guesses, but I want to say that varies from exact gravities (including fast falls), run speeds, full tilt walk speeds, and... other things.

 

[Shell]

Yes, that means a perfect conversion of how each character moves. That's pretty awesome.

 

[GP&B]

Sick, that's very nice to hear.

 

[ManEg]

Shanus you are someone I respect and admire, same with the rest of the P:M team.
Keep up the amazing job guys.

 

[cubaisdeath]

just found the values of melee physics velocities

**** just got SO REAL.

I'm juiced

 

[genkaku]

It's so cool to see such measurable progress so often, even if only in a casual mention. Makes me smile every time. Thank you.

 

[shanus]

Magus is the man of the hour with his melee discoveries, as is Dant and Windowl

 

[JCaesar]

Personally I like Jcaesars new avatar.

<3 Cave Story.

Yay perfect Melee physics!

 

[Hozu]

As for why PAL runs at 50Hz it's because of the standard for electricity there (240V/50HZ, may be off on the voltage) while it's 120V/60Hz in NA. I guess it was just easier to use the same frequency or something.

 

[Wavebuster]

About frame rate...

Melee had 2 framerates depending on region. NTSC is always 60fps (actually 59.94). PAL regions have 50fps by default, but PAL Melee was flawed in that this also caused the game to run that much slower. No self respecting Melee player in the PAL regions *ever* play at 50hz because it really is that awful - they always use PAL60, available as the holdB option on game start. This requires an NTSC-compatible display to work properly, but they are common amongst gamers.

The reason PAL has this different standard could be as simple as saying that these regions opted for higher vertical resolution at the expense of a lower refresh rate. While NTSC by default has 480 lines of resolution at 60hz, PAL has 625 lines of resolution and additional room for color data compared to NTSC, but at 50hz to compensate for analog broadcast limits. This of course causes a PAL gaming ghetto effect because most games are developed in the NTSC regions, then ported to PAL. Converting frame sensitive content designed for 60hz displays spells all kinds of timing errors when ported to a 50hz standard, which is why most PAL ports are notorious for "playing slower" (17.5% slower) than their NTSC originals.

As far as *Brawl* is concerned, I am not aware of how the frame refreshes are handled. That is, if PAL50 is actually in synch with NTSC/PAL60 side-by-side because there is obvious compatibility of Wifi between PAL and NTSC players. Common logic says that the frames themselves can't possibly be in perfect 1:1 synch, but the game itself can be. There are also games that just plain don't run at 50fps in the PAL region and can only run in PAL60, like Metroid Prime 2. I don't know what line SSBB falls under as far as 50hz compatibility and possible timing issues until a PAL player actually chimes in.
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tl;dr
It is erroneous to say that your usual NTSC interlaced display runs at 29.97fps and PAL at 25fps. Even though two interlaced fields can combine to form one complete frame, the fact remains that for each time the image is refreshed on the display, it's data from a different image each time since Smash runs at the same rate as the maximum refresh, thus you are seeing visuals from 60 distinct images each second.

Also, I hate you all.

 

[Wind Owl]

Thanks Ry bro.

 

[Sagen du Smash]

Are you guys EVER going to add some character pages on Smashmods? I mean, there are at least 2 to 3 that are good enough to show right?

 

[shanus]

Are you guys EVER going to add some character pages on Smashmods? I mean, there are at least 2 to 3 that are good enough to show right?

A lot of us are very busy. If we have time to write up char pages, we do. However, much of our focus is on working on the product rather than typing up char pages


With that said, I'll bug people to do it

 

[I R MarF]

Is it just my imagination or did the new trailer just become outdated in under a week's time? The camera has been fixed and perfect melee physics are available... what is next? is someone going to spill a drink which will result in uncovering the key to the landing detection code? lol

But seriously, you guys are making A LOT of progress, and very fast! Keep up the good work, you are all awesome!