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drsusredfish · Dec 17, 2012

when ness gets hit during PK flash does he still control where it goes?

drsusredfish · Dec 17, 2012

iLink said:
You just jump as you are about to release the spin dash.

EDIT: Holy crap Ness' PK flash still explodes if you hit. Does it always hit Ness too if it blows up near him?

its like a rouge brain bomb when he gets hit, it hurts every one. Thats going to be broken in a team match i bet. unless the route the flash takes is random. I wonder if he can absorb his own flash.

drsusredfish · Dec 17, 2012

I wonder hw port priority will affect ness if he gets to keep the rouge PK flash.

edit: If they are some how able to make the rouge flashes weaker than a controled flash then I'm sure it'll stay.

Comeback Kid · Dec 17, 2012

Ness is actually good now and people complain? I'm going to keep shaking my head.

Yung Mei · Dec 17, 2012

nah. hes just the most annoying character to fight, like ever.

In my entire time playing pm, ive played against 3 different nesses, and they all did the exact same ****, and nobody had fun. No one has fun playing in any matchup that involves ness

metroid1117 · Dec 17, 2012

Hey guys, I finished uploading all of the videos from a tournament this Saturday. There's no results thread up yet, but here's some of the top 8 out of 20:

1) Kels (:falcobrawl:/:foxbrawl:/:sheikbrawl

2) MattDotZeb (:falcobrawl

3) Kirk (:bowserbrawl

4) Rat (:sonicbrawl

5) Oro (:linkbrawl

5) ORLY (:luigibrawl:/:falconbrawl

7) metroid (

harizardbrawl

Wobbly Headed Bob · Dec 17, 2012

metroid1117 said:
Hey guys, I finished uploading all of the videos from a tournament this Saturday. There's no results thread up yet, but here's some of the top 8 out of 20:

1) Kels (:falcobrawl:/:foxbrawl:/:sheikbrawl
2) MattDotZeb (:falcobrawl
3) Kirk (:bowserbrawl
4) Rat (:sonicbrawl
5) Oro (:linkbrawl
5) ORLY (:luigibrawl:/:falconbrawl
7) metroid (harizardbrawl <- I choked hard against ORLY's Falcon =/. No johns though, he played very well.
7) ?

The playlist is here, but here's a list of all the matches:

WARNING. LOWER YOUR SPEAKERS.

Also, I need to change my name.

Dat charizard

ELI-mination · Dec 17, 2012

Good stuff metroid

Also, it seems like it's gonna be NY vs. Metroid this Saturday and I shall record/stream

Don't miss it

Wobbly Headed Bob · Dec 17, 2012

Can Ness still djc? If he can't, couldn't you make it so he can go into djc mode after a taunt? Would that break him?

drsusredfish · Dec 17, 2012

Comeback Kid said:
Ness is actually good now and people complain? I'm going to keep shaking my head.

for the record i'm not complaining. I'ts just when a character gets somthing really good they tend to lose it for a "re-design" and ness' flash looks like it may fall in that categorey. see ike up b, zelda side b, sonic side b, lucario's stuff you get the idea. granted i don't mind most of the redesigns but still ness may be next.

edit: matter o fact most of the re-designs have indeed made the game better. sonics new stuff looks so much cooler and more useful than his old side B.

standardtoaster · Dec 17, 2012

noirscythe said:
Can Ness still djc? If he can't, couldn't you make it so he can go into djc mode after a taunt? Would that break him?

Yes he can still DJC. Hold jump to do brawl DJC (rising aerial) and release jump quickly to do melee DJC.

Kink-Link5 · Dec 17, 2012

drsusredfish said:
I wonder hw port priority will affect ness if he gets to keep the rouge PK flash.

edit: If they are some how able to make the rouge flashes weaker than a controled flash then I'm sure it'll stay.

drsusredfish · Dec 17, 2012

oops thanks. rogue

metroid1117 · Dec 17, 2012

ELI-mination said:
Good stuff metroid

Also, it seems like it's gonna be NY vs. Metroid this Saturday and I shall record/stream

Don't miss it

Saturday afternoon, guys

.

Kink-Link5 · Dec 17, 2012

It would be pretty cool if his flash did turn red when he gets hit though, as a visual indication of which kind it is.

JediKnightTemplar · Dec 17, 2012

noirscythe said:
Can Ness still djc? If he can't, couldn't you make it so he can go into djc mode after a taunt? Would that break him?

How would that make him broken? If anything it'd make him worse since it'd remove a way for him to mix up his aerials.

KingBlaze777 · Dec 17, 2012

JediKnightTemplar said:
How would that make him broken? If anything it'd make him worse since it'd remove a way for him to mix up his aerials.

How would that take away for him to mix up his aerials?

Better question: How would that work at all???

Xebenkeck · Dec 17, 2012

Ness is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay worse when he was reduced to only DJC ing. The addition of rising aerials is a god send for him.

Sanity's_Theif · Dec 17, 2012

iLink said:
You just jump as you are about to release the spin dash.

EDIT: Holy crap Ness' PK flash still explodes if you hit. Does it always hit Ness too if it blows up near him?

The down-B one or side-B?

leelue · Dec 17, 2012

Down b
10recoveries

Mattnumbers · Dec 17, 2012

So if Ness gets hit by his own PK Flash, can he absorb it with his down b?

Stunts · Dec 17, 2012

Mattnumbers said:
So if Ness gets hit by his own PK Flash, can he absorb it with his down b?

Hmm... TEAM SHENNANNIGANS

himemiya · Dec 17, 2012

Even though I don't like side-b/up-b being tethers she still wroth checking out.

JediKnightTemplar · Dec 17, 2012

KingBlaze777 said:
How would that take away for him to mix up his aerials?

Better question: How would that work at all???

The previous poster said Ness should go into DJC mode. As of right now I can choose whether or not DJC an aerial as Ness. Having no option but DJC after taunting (which is also entirely unviable except between stock or when the opponent's knocked off the stage) limits Ness' options.

Oracle · Dec 17, 2012

To all the people questioning about ness's neutral b:

He can indeed control it after he gets hit, similar to a pit arrow. It needs to hit the ground or something solid to explode once he's been hit, however. The explosion also affects ness once he's hit, meaning that he can absorb it. (which is about 25% heal).

IMO, it's kind of dumb, but i guess most characters can probably deal with it. One easy way is to make sure you're the lower port and just throw ness when the pkf would explode, which gives you protection from the knockback

bubbaking · Dec 17, 2012

Raypatronics said:
Squirtle looks annoying
Ivy looks... interesting

Well that's the first time I've seen these two portrayed this way. Usually it's.....reversed.

himemiya · Dec 17, 2012

sonic/squritle is the next fox

cannedbread · Dec 17, 2012

whats dedede getting in 2.5 besides angled waddle toss? also ness:dedede is so serious.

metroid is coming to ny??

bubbaking · Dec 17, 2012

drsusredfish said:
does ZSS' hooligan foot dive (cannon spike?) still ledge cancel?

Unless ZSS' hooligan attack meteors/spikes (does it?), it is NOT a "foot dive" but just a regular dive kick. Sonic's dair sounds like a foot dive.

iLink said:
You just jump as you are about to release the spin dash.

I was always under the impression that the spinshot sent Sonic a lot further than that, though. Is its distance decreased in P:M?

Comeback Kid said:
Ness is actually good now and people complain? I'm going to keep shaking my head.

Well, people can complain about Ness if they see something wrong or silly about his design. Even if Ness was bad, if part of his design was overcentralizing or stupid, it would be something to "complain" about. I can only imagine that was part of the reasoning that went behind some of Sonic's less popular changes since he was never really perceived as a "good" character by many. Ness now being "good" is not reason enough for people to cease their complaints if they see something wrong with his gameplay. I'm not agreeing or anything; I'm just saying that people can complain about good and bad characters alike.

metroid1117 said:
Hey guys, I finished uploading all of the videos from a tournament this Saturday. There's no results thread up yet, but here's some of the top 8 out of 20:

1) Kels (:falcobrawl:/:foxbrawl:/:sheikbrawl
2) MattDotZeb (:falcobrawl
3) Kirk (:bowserbrawl
4) Rat (:sonicbrawl
5) Oro (:linkbrawl
5) ORLY (:luigibrawl:/:falconbrawl
7) metroid (harizardbrawl <- I choked hard against ORLY's Falcon =/. No johns though, he played very well.
7) ?

Spacees strike again..... :smash:

1 w1nged @ngel said:
One easy way is to make sure you're the lower port and just throw ness when the pkf would explode, which gives you protection from the knockback

True, but in the end, you're still gonna eat the damage, which means that Ness still wins even though he's being thrown. Also, in tournament, neutral port priority can be contested (and the loser of the previous match gets to pick his port), so you can't depend on that.

Kink-Link5 · Dec 17, 2012

Ness Zelda is the best matchup.

Comeback Kid · Dec 17, 2012

So ignoring whatever everyone wrote on this page:

Why is Wolf the only character who is not in the correct tier placement on the Project M website?

All the Melee characters are correctly ordered by their tier in the metagame and so are all the Brawl characters, except for Wolf. He should be after Toon Link.

PMBR, get on this pressing issue right away!

drsusredfish · Dec 17, 2012

bubbaking said:
Unless ZSS' hooligan attack meteors/spikes (does it?), it is NOT a "foot dive" but just a regular dive kick. Sonic's dair sounds like a foot dive.

ah so its a cannon strike. The cammy textures will be even more awsome now.

bubbaking · Dec 17, 2012

Oh yeah, that could work! :laugh:

cannedbread · Dec 17, 2012

ness zelda is full of special shenanigans

zelda wins though

Kink-Link5 · Dec 17, 2012

Comeback Kid said:
So ignoring whatever everyone wrote on this page:

Why is Wolf the only character who is not in the correct tier placement on the Project M website?

All the Melee characters are correctly ordered by their tier in the metagame and so are all the Brawl characters, except for Wolf. He should be after Toon Link.

PMBR, get on this pressing issue right away!

http://www.ssbwiki.com/List_of_SSBB_tier_lists_(NTSC)#Fitfh_tier_list_.28September_24.2C_2010.29

Brawl tier list changes every other month based on whatever flavour of the month is popular, no reason to really focus on keeping the order up-to-date.

Sanity's_Theif · Dec 17, 2012

leelue said:
Down b
10recoveries

I tried that in 2.1 and I failed miserably, maybe the new changes will help me out lol (no hope)

iLink · Dec 18, 2012

If you use tap jump, just hold up on the stick as soon as you release the downb.

leelue · Dec 18, 2012

The timing and motion are quite annoying
I had a nightmare that the extra frame in the short hop window was removed. This was a nightmare right?
Damn I just realized that I'm having dreams about pm mechanics....

`dazrin · Dec 18, 2012

Comeback Kid said:
So ignoring whatever everyone wrote on this page:

Why is Wolf the only character who is not in the correct tier placement on the Project M website?

All the Melee characters are correctly ordered by their tier in the metagame and so are all the Brawl characters, except for Wolf. He should be after Toon Link.

PMBR, get on this pressing issue right away!

Welp, better stop developing 2.5 and get on this!

/ :alakadoof:

Kink-Link5 · Dec 18, 2012

leelue said:
The timing and motion are quite annoying
I had a nightmare that the extra frame in the short hop window was removed. This was a nightmare right?
Damn I just realized that I'm having dreams about pm mechanics....

I had a dream that Ice Climbers were in 2.5 and could be desynched from across the whole stage by holding a taunt button.

It was glorious.

Oh, and for everyone on the east coast and beyond

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsOPHyuAuT0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oonBDCq7cVw

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