No, you have to delay it like in the NTSC version.
EDIT: Yeah, or hold it. You guys added that iirc.
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EDIT: Yeah, or hold it. You guys added that iirc.
MaxThunder
PM Support
lol i see... should have quoted it or something...
Kink-Link5
Smash Hero
Then please, by all means, change it from his walking animation to his running animation.
If it wasn't ready to show a new running animation based on his walking animation, it really shouldn't have been shown, is all.
Is this honestly the kind of stuff worth arguing over? I mean, is a man doing a goofy run animation a big enough deal where there absolutely needs to be a complaint noted?
It looks absolutely fine. This is just silly nitpicking, at best.
It looks absolutely fine. This is just silly nitpicking, at best.
Tee ay eye
Smash Hero
does 2.5 still have that 1-frame delay that makes me refuse to play pm?
I use uthrow cg on fast fallers, that works at low %'s.
How? Can you show me a video of any link doing this? What characters does it work on? I tested it on DK and I couldn't get a grab below 50%, and even above 50% was extremely hard as you had to grab pretty much frame perfect until around 70%+ where it became easy. It seems like if your opponent DI's correctly they just tech away before your hitbox even comes out.
hotdogturtle
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Is that what I think it is?
I doubt it. 
`dazrin
Smash Champion
Drsusredfish's list of changes are unofficial and not accurate, just as Reflex has pointed out. Stay tuned to our website and on smashmods for future updates!
Also, I think it would be appropriate to drop this in here for you SWF users to see.
Also, I think it would be appropriate to drop this in here for you SWF users to see.
Virum
Smash Ace
No it isn't. Charizard's walk is undeniably a walk. It's slow, heavy and (as any a walk should) he keeps one leg on the ground at all times (which is by definition a pre-requisite for a walk). The Wario Land "walk" isn't even a walk by any stretch of the imagination. It's a jog at the very least (a rather brisk one in the Shake Dimension from which it's primarily based on) which could easily be transferred into a run.
Why wasn't I use the running head charge as run you may ask? Because it looks like an attack. He's ramming head first at you. Heck even in the games he uses it to bulldoze his way through stuff. It's like the shoulder charge but he just goes straight through.
But yeah, just thought I'd point that out.
jalued
Smash Lord
After playing some more PM 2.1 last night, my friend and I became aware that clanking seems to occur far more often in PM than melee.
For example, in melee a jab would generally not clank with a ftilt,
In PM it's a common occurrence.
Is this a coding issue to do with brawl coding or am I going crazy?
For example, in melee a jab would generally not clank with a ftilt,
In PM it's a common occurrence.
Is this a coding issue to do with brawl coding or am I going crazy?
So it does, I never knew. That's actually really good.2.1 uses PAL on hit NTSC on whiff.
On another note: Has the PMBR any plans to change/improve the menu/hud even more to make the mod more obviously different from regular Brawl?
I would really enjoy for example new stock icons because I have difficulties seeing the regular ones in certain situations.
Kink how are you even complaining about that animation. Using his actual dash animation would look kind of ridiculous and the way he motions his arms back and forth more then looks like a run. Hell, he probably is running and the charge is technically a tackle.
Is his walk animation getting changed too? I remember it just being him sliding his feet across the floor.
Is his walk animation getting changed too? I remember it just being him sliding his feet across the floor.
moleman915
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I'm curious about this too. I enjoy the remodeling of the Menu's in project M and I would love to see them go further. I just don't think the big colorful buttons fit well with the game anymore.
While the brawl HUD is alright in high resolutions, on lower YT qualities the stock icons become barely seeable, and sometimes I end up thinking someone has far fewer stocks than they actually do.
And, from a design standpoint, it looks... incredibly odd, compared to how the rest of the P:M menus have been restyled.
And, from a design standpoint, it looks... incredibly odd, compared to how the rest of the P:M menus have been restyled.
drsusredfish
Smash Ace
For the record i was just stating some of my observations so people have an idea of what to look for. Wasn't trying to sound official or anything.
stingers
Smash Obsessed
woah cool trick o.oSo, I may have discovered something useful for Charizard: it seems if you B-reverse/Wavebounce his Flamethrower after at least a medium-hop (needs a little more distance than a short hop from what I've experienced), you get this:
I highlighted the relevant parts
I've found it better when used from an uncharged fly to retreat with due to the sheer distance, but the cool thing here is that 1st flame, which can result in coverage like this when you land with it:
Here we see the Flames hitting about 1/2 of Smashville, and yet still go airborne slightly for a pretty huge, if brief, hitbox. The trick to this is doing a not-quite-full hop and performing the B-reversal, making him scoot back just an inch but extending the fire by nearly double (Normal Fire from that spot would only reach the turtle guy in the backdrop).
Not sure if this actually is anything, or even potentially useful with 2.5 on the horizon, but worth sharing *shrug*.
you should make a vid!
Sanity's_Theif
Smash Ace
Should be in some of my videos, and it's easy to do, you can do it on another Link, DK, Ganon, G&W, Mario, Lucas is especially easy, and the list goes on... how did you not know this? lol
standardtoaster
Tubacabra
Monk and I will be streaming in the next 30 mins or so
Revven
FrankerZ
We're very limited with what we can do to the menu still, so... that's not something on the cards or is currently possible. What you see in demo 2.1 is what we still have in the current 2.5 preview build. Apologies, but it's the best we can do for the moment.
As far as stock icons go, they are extremely tiny, getting anything that'll look any better than the current icons is not easy. It's been looked at before and brought up many times, we're just blocked by doing anything worthwhile because of the ridiculously small size the stock icons have to be. And remember, we want to make sure everything has a natural and professional look to it. It can't just be any icon change for the stocks.
Additionally, before anyone asks, no we cannot bring back the Melee-styled head stocks. And yes, we've tried using the normal Smash circle logo the franchise has created. They didn't work out.
It's not an issue as far as I'm aware. Magus looked at clanking a long time ago, only to find out it already matches Melee. It's based mostly on how much damage a move does, not so much how big a hitbox is (which tends to be a common misconception I believe, hence why people go nuts when they see something like Marth's Fsmash clanking with another character's forward tilt). I'm not sure if it's based on a certain threshold of damage or if it's just: "if this move does 7% and this move does 7% they clank".
Well that's a shame. How exactly does something like that work in Brawl? I'm thinking if it'd be possible to just make something more "visible" but still simple, something like a black circle wrapped in a white circle, so it wouldn't be TOO bad-looking.We're very limited with what we can do to the menu still, so... that's not something on the cards or is currently possible.
As far as stock icons go, they are extremely tiny, getting anything that'll look any better than the current icons is not easy. It's been looked at before and brought up many times, we're just blocked by doing anything worthwhile because of the ridiculously small size the stock icons have to be. And remember, we want to make sure everything has a natural and professional look to it. It can't just be any icon change for the stocks.
Additionally, before anyone asks, no we cannot bring back the Melee-styled head stocks. And yes, we've tried using the normal Smash circle logo the franchise has created. They didn't work out.
standardtoaster
Tubacabra
Kink-Link5
Smash Hero
Let's make Ness get rewarded for being hit by giving him the ability to spawn revenge bombs.Perfect example of why we don't have a more open system and why you can't have nice things.
Stop nitpicking Kink and talk about something else.
Because I tested it and it didn't work at low %'s on DK. At all. I tested with no DI/DI and teching etc etc. I find it hard to believe when I've tested it and it didn't work and I've never seen someone else do it under 40% :/. I'm sure it works on some characters but I couldn't get it to work on DK till around 50%.
Onomanic
Heaven Piercer
Guys, guys.
Link is really good.
On that note, why can't I do a reverse bair with Link on both hits? Do I just suck or is it not working in P:M?
Link is really good.
On that note, why can't I do a reverse bair with Link on both hits? Do I just suck or is it not working in P:M?
Sanity's_Theif
Smash Ace
You're doing it wrong then, that's all I can say :/
Try G&W you can CG from 0% lol it's hilarious
You mean you're running forward then reversing just before you jump and using b-air? If so then it should work, you're just not timing it right, try moonwalk > shffl b - air > turn around > jab > jab > d-smash, it's awesome pulling that off
CSDragon
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A+B moves are a thing now? How many people are gonna get them?
What's with the Pit nerfs? He wasn't even top tier.
Onomanic
Heaven Piercer
I can do that, I mean just your basic Melee reverse bair, like Fox or Falco would do.
Sanity's_Theif
Smash Ace
sorry I'm not getting what you mean, I'm not that great with all the terminology, explain to me exactly what you're doing and I can help
Sanity's_Theif
Smash Ace
Did you see Armada? LOL Pit is beast, but I think he'll still be good
I'm not doing it wrong, your opponenets aren't DIing.
I'm literally sitting here testing this on DK, I can NOT grab him below 40% even with no DI. When he starts DIing away and teching that % goes up. I've tested it several times, if you can show me a video of you doing it I will believe you.
Edit: I can CG earthbound characters at low% so far
Double Edit: DIing away and teching makes it impossible to regrab almost the entire cast at low %s. Test it for yourself if you don't believe me. For example shiek you can grab at 0% without DI, but Diing away and teching you can't grab till like 40%.
Onomanic
Heaven Piercer
http://youtu.be/3KLRBM5Ps8c at 30 seconds, check out the Red Link. The player that the video features does this through out and it's pretty sexy.
CSDragon
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Cutting his recovery in by a third isn't a nerf? (Considering each glide as a third and his jumps+up b as the last third)
I mean, sure we don't know everything about his changes, but this is a pretty big thing.
I DO however, really like his fsmash changes so far.
Sanity's_Theif
Smash Ace
Dude you just said you tried it without your opponent using DI and still couldn't get it, I don't know what else to say other than practice, and I'll have to make one next time my friend comes over unless you wanna see it against a computer?
Damn haven't tried this out, definitely gonna though, sorry man :/
Onomanic
Heaven Piercer
Np, I'm glad to spread some knowledge around though. The whole combo video is actually pretty sweet.
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