Lol, I think we all already know Ike is pretty amazing.
Also, do you guys think Chad's Mario is better than Hbox? or vice versia.
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Also, do you guys think Chad's Mario is better than Hbox? or vice versia.
Onomanic
Heaven Piercer
THE WARRIOR. I love Kage.
Lol that was funny, but I don't think I feel that way considering it's a different game, even if it is very similiar.
`dazrin
Smash Champion
Lol mango played like ***.
And yeah, chads Mario is ****, but I'm just glad that Yakal placed 7th in a 100+ man tournament and represented BC so well
Just play homo.
And yeah, chads Mario is ****, but I'm just glad that Yakal placed 7th in a 100+ man tournament and represented BC so well
Just play homo.
They did singles for PM already?Lol mango played like ***.
And yeah, chads Mario is ****, but I'm just glad that Yakal placed 7th in a 100+ man tournament and represented BC so well
Just play homo.
Some seriously great gameplay happening right now on the stream. So glad that P:M is getting so much traction. 1.6K+ viewers at a point!
Haha, and sooooo many people asking what P:M is.
Haha, and sooooo many people asking what P:M is.
Yes, they did the singles bracket earlier, before doubles.
Is -Chad- still in?
Should be. Unless I'm mistaken.
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top six is
axe
hbox
kage
chad
darkrain
vro
7th was yakal and i think 4% APR
9th is me sfat and some other dudes
axe
hbox
kage
chad
darkrain
vro
7th was yakal and i think 4% APR
9th is me sfat and some other dudes
crush
Smash Master
Im quite sure that there will be a patch soon. -Peef
Seriously, the greatest last two matches I've seen. So much rest. The stream was on fire haha
DrinkingFood
Smash Hero
god damnit vro
Why'd you have to make it to top six
Now all the scrubs are gonna say this proves Ike is too good.
You better not win.
In fact, place sixth pl0x.
Why'd you have to make it to top six
Now all the scrubs are gonna say this proves Ike is too good.
You better not win.
In fact, place sixth pl0x.
Archangel
Smash Hero
Vro is a legit good player who's found his stride with Ike, The thing about Ike I believe chillin summed it up pretty well on stream. He is a legit good character but some of his attacks have too much knockback or power. his Fsmash eating so much shield and doing so much damage doesn't make sense. Changing that and giving him some endlag on the tilts will make him less nooby but he'll still remains a good character capable of taking tournaments.
Archangel
Smash Hero
all I can say is I'm so glad I waited to complete the 2.1 combo video until after the FC-tournament.
it's a shame there was almost no pit rep at this at all. if only he had more reliable smash attack kills or slightly better aerial mobility...since he's got wings. Ah well guess the world isn't ready for pit yet.
DrinkingFood
Smash Hero
I think this guy is implying that Ike needs nerfs. Even though he most certainly doesn't. Don't be that guy. The guy that complains that a character needs nerfs even though nobody's even had enough time to figure it how to beat him.
Archangel
Smash Hero
I know exactly how to beat Ike now but that doesn't mean he's not OP'd he's simply sheik OP'd at this point. Frame advantage > Ike...The problem is...not everyone has 1-2 frame attack combined with range, speed, recovery, and the edgeguarding to beat Ike. Only some characters can beat Ike the others have to get lucky or they lose...sort of ends up making Ike a top tier by default. I don't think he's the best in the game yet but from what I've seen today if Metroid was at FC him and Vro would be in the top 8 most likely. I think Ike needs both nerfs and buffs tbh. He needs something to help with getting destroyed by fast characters who have frame-range-speed...etc over him so that he doesn't get trapped in shields and then *****. He also needs to be a little weaker in some places...I'm thinking PAL Ganon except with his Fair and maybe something else idk.
DrinkingFood
Smash Hero
If Ike's at shiek's level then he's fine. The goal was top make everybody top/high tier anyways, and melee shirk happens to fall in there...
Archangel
Smash Hero
My point was he's Melee sheik not Project M sheik good. Meaning he auto-beats a large portion of the cast because his combination of range and power simply denies them a victory. Sheik only loses to Puff/Falco/Fox(other S-tiers). Ike may be the same way in the end but with so many characters in this game it's just...horrific to see some auto-eliminated is all. Minor nerfs combined with minor buffs is probably the best option for Ike.
DrinkingFood
Smash Hero
Except that you didn't read the rest of what I added to that post.
EDIT: wow **** it all it's not showing.
EDIT: wow **** it all it's not showing.
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see i don't see melee sheik similar to PM ike at all.
that said i was glad to see ike perform well, and by well i mean pretty average and not god awful like i expected.
i got into a huge argument with ryoko about design philosophy and i might make a larger post about that later.
that said i was glad to see ike perform well, and by well i mean pretty average and not god awful like i expected.
i got into a huge argument with ryoko about design philosophy and i might make a larger post about that later.
See, even though you say he suffers from a few problems, he, according to you, still auto-beats a large portion of the cast. You even go so far as to say that it's just horrific to see some of the cast auto-eliminated.
So as far as that sounds, Ike certainly doesn't need any buffs. If anything, those few problems that he suffers from can be considered, to a degree, a matter of how Ike must be played, or, rather, how he must not be played.
I could only see justification for nerfs, if nerfs are necessary. Although it is obvious that Ike holds his own very well among all levels of play (today's tournament included), I feel like it is still too early to discern that Ike's advantages will outlast the meta-game.
my main issue with ike is that a lot of his moves/attacks are just too effective for how easy they are to land. That isn't pleasing on either end. It makes me not want to use him nor fight him tbh
his overall design is good....I think you guys nailed that part, but he definitely needs some reworking in terms of start up lag, power and his range on certain moves.
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also, if there isn't going to be a balance patch anytime soon....there definitely needs to be at the least an engine patch ASAP. I fear that a lot of Melee players may be turned away due to the gimmicks and mishaps happening in 2.1
his overall design is good....I think you guys nailed that part, but he definitely needs some reworking in terms of start up lag, power and his range on certain moves.
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also, if there isn't going to be a balance patch anytime soon....there definitely needs to be at the least an engine patch ASAP. I fear that a lot of Melee players may be turned away due to the gimmicks and mishaps happening in 2.1
Archangel
Smash Hero
This is a better way of explainin it. I've had a drink or 2 so i'm not able to think clearly. Well said.
How is making the top 6 average? especially considering there are other ike's that didn't show up and at least 1 that has done better than Vro before that aren't at FC?....I think you are just a salty hater of Ike for some reason. Clearly he's pretty good but I'd understand if you were unwilling to backtrack after all the stuff you've said about Ike.
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stream monsters are stupid
keyboard warriors are stupid
all the people ACTUALLY AT THE TOURNEY and in the PM tourney (100+) all are saying that they like the game a lot. i have literally not had a negative response from an intelligent person who has actually played the game.
keyboard warriors are stupid
all the people ACTUALLY AT THE TOURNEY and in the PM tourney (100+) all are saying that they like the game a lot. i have literally not had a negative response from an intelligent person who has actually played the game.
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there's been a lot of ike players on that stream with a lot of variance in performance between them. the character's performance seems more based on the player input, which is a good thing. i am happy to admit that ike is a good character if he's not exploited or flawed as i see him. let's see what happens tomorrow.
metroid1117
Smash Master
My bad, I misinterpreted what people were saying. Thanks for clarifying.There is a Fro, and a Vro. People are referring to Fro.
By the way, when I spoke to Vro in June about Ike in 2.1, both of us agreed that Ike needed nerfs. I'm not sure if his viewpoint has changed, but I doubt it has.
I'd also like to point out that Vro is being extremely successful without using QD turnarounds, which I feel are very useful at high levels of play. I can only imagine him being more successful once he integrates things like FThrow -> QD turnaround -> BAir or QD turnaround for edgehogging from across the stage.
Archangel
Smash Hero
yeah lets see...I hate to say it but I'm actually rooting for Ike to win this whole thing.
Best Ike players agree that he needs nerfs...he needs nerfs...case closed.
that's what i'm saying...no character should be doing this well this early on. There is still so much to explore and discover, as it is, any decent smasher can pick up Ike and do well by just spacing fairs and throwing out f-tilts
this is why I feel the pmbr might have overdone some characters.
what happened to every move not needing to be useful? with such "complete characters" matches may tend to have a little too much emphasis on character selection than desired.
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