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stingers

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sigh...u dont understand...one of m2s biggest weaknesses is his lack of good forward assault. he cant approach for ****. along with a decent side B a new fair would be his best bet for such a task. the pros outweigh the cons, thats why it should be changed.

usmash is pretty *** too, but I think thats a move more fit for hitbox adjustment then outright removal. Just make it suck people in from afar...nothing crazy XD but make the width like M2's body wide...sort of like zeldas usmash.
 

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In my honest opinion this is a sad attmept to make Brawl into Melee, even though they deny it. That's my opinion this is a waste of time, just play BRAWL for what it is, Melee was different from 64. so why do this? why waste time? Please I honestly want to know, its not bash the people who made this but honestly.
 

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In my honest opinion this is a sad attmept to make Brawl into Melee, even though they deny it. That's my opinion this is a waste of time, just play BRAWL for what it is, Melee was different from 64. so why do this? why waste time? Please I honestly want to know, its not bash the people who made this but honestly.
It's actually got a bit in common with brawl. DACUS, RAR, Glide Tossing, and a few other mechanics exist in P:M that aren't in melee because they were the few good physics additions that Brawl brought. There's also the fact of many new characters, and more stage variety. Those are all things you can't get by just playing melee.
But if you don't know what you don't get by playing Brawl, then maybe you should go find out. You don't get character balance, for one. You don't get fast paced, highly technical gameplay, that's two (and a really big two). You get tripping. I guess if you like tripping then that's okay. You get broken recoveries on top tier characters who already deserve high tier otherwise... So it's not quite trying to make brawl into melee. It's trying to make the physics engine into melee's physics engine, sure, and a few top tiers from melee will be almost identical (imagine that, that good characters might not be completely changed between games! Revolutionary...). But other than that, this game will be quite different from melee.

And stingers, replacing his fair isn't the only way to give him a new forward facing approach option. That's not what they did with DK, and good thing too. DK also lacked an insane wavedash. Not that I'm saying that the wavedash makes up for it, but they did fine without completely overhauling DK. In fact, the only move they completely changed was his dash attack. Everything else recieved subtle adjustments. I could support M2 having a new dash attack. I think his was even more garbage than his fair by comparison to other characters. Or perhaps a new nair. But his fair DOESN'T have to be replaced to give him a good approach. Besides, what would it even be? His arms and legs are too short for it to have good range, and having his tail have a fast fair would look awkward spinning in the air like his dtilt (although I suppose it could be done).
As for his usmash... yeah that needs some fixing lol. The shadow-energy animation thing lasts forever after the hitboxes end, and with small hitboxes to boot. Or maybe a new uSmash, I suppose I could get behind that.
 

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In my honest opinion this is a sad attmept to make Brawl into Melee, even though they deny it. That's my opinion this is a waste of time, just play BRAWL for what it is, Melee was different from 64. so why do this? why waste time? Please I honestly want to know, its not bash the people who made this but honestly.
melee is not too different from 64...

64 is an amazing game, and melee simply built off the engine that was put in place by it. z-canceling and dash dancing... and COMBOS carried over from one to the other.

here's a question for you. what good things from melee carried over to brawl? besides basic things like some stages and characters ect...

the most enjoyable thing about brawl for me is the SSE, and even that could've been better.

:phone:
 

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In my honest opinion this is a sad attmept to make Brawl into Melee, even though they deny it. That's my opinion this is a waste of time, just play BRAWL for what it is, Melee was different from 64. so why do this? why waste time? Please I honestly want to know, its not bash the people who made this but honestly.
this is the brawl us melee players were robbed of.
this is us getting that 50 bucks back

but by that logic why waste time doing anything? ever.

your dumb dont post
 

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In my honest opinion this is a sad attmept to make Brawl into Melee, even though they deny it. That's my opinion this is a waste of time, just play BRAWL for what it is, Melee was different from 64. so why do this? why waste time? Please I honestly want to know, its not bash the people who made this but honestly.
Isnt this what the guy in that vid said? If so i will guess this is a joke if not u r bad and should feel bad

:phone:
 

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In my honest opinion this is a sad attmept to make Brawl into Melee, even though they deny it. That's my opinion this is a waste of time, just play BRAWL for what it is, Melee was different from 64. so why do this? why waste time? Please I honestly want to know, its not bash the people who made this but honestly.
In my honest opinion, this post is a sad attempt to make your feedback worth reading, even though you want answers. Reading this post is a waste of time; we should interpret all nonsensical ******try like this as pure ******try. Ignorantly posting is different from giving good feedback. So, why do this? Why waste time? Please, I honestly want to know -- not to bash you, but honestly.

:phone:
 

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In my honest opinion this is a sad attmept to make Brawl into Melee, even though they deny it. That's my opinion this is a waste of time, just play BRAWL for what it is, Melee was different from 64. so why do this? why waste time? Please I honestly want to know, its not bash the people who made this but honestly.
Want an honest answer, bro? Because it IS melee. The whole point of the game is bringing everything back to the melee standard. No one is denying it; in fact, its even being advertised as such.

Why do this if we can just play melee, you ask. Simple.

  • Its not possible to release balance patches for melee, for characters or stages.
  • Its not possible to use Brawl content in melee, whether it is chatacter or stage based.
  • Its not possible to add characters or stages to melee (yes, I know, clone engine not done yet, assuming that it will be. Also aware of melee stage hacks, but those just alter existing stages. They don't add new stuff entirely.).
  • It doesn't have the wide variety of concepts that P:M does. It doesn't have characters with lingering projectiles, it doesn't have characters with magic series, it doesn't have characters with heavy armor
  • It doesn't have Brawl's advanced techniques.

When we play Project M, we get everything we experience playing melee. And more. Why WOULDN'T you want to play this game?

Also, I personally find it fun. Thats what matters, at the end of the day. You don't like it, fine, but just remember: "different strokes for different folks". If we can't civilly agree on that, this conversation is over.

Edit: Come on folks, don't bash the guy. If he's a troll, thats what he wants. If not, we can at least answer civilly.
 

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In my honest opinion this is a sad attmept to make Brawl into Melee, even though they deny it. That's my opinion this is a waste of time, just play BRAWL for what it is, Melee was different from 64. so why do this? why waste time? Please I honestly want to know, its not bash the people who made this but honestly.
Listen to this man PMBR, this project is a waste of time and you should feel bad for even attempting to change the perfection that was Brawl.

And to stingers, M2's fair is pretty good oos option, it comes out in like 6 frames and if you djc you can follow up with something else.
 

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I was really impressed by the new CPUs-wavedashing, shuffling, and so many combos. I didn't know you guys even could alter the AI like that.

I also like all the new taunts added in, and even how bowser's one taunt does damage now. Subtle things like that are really cool.

I'm loving 2.1 in general though. Great job to everyone working on PM, it's really professionally made.
 

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Listen to this man PMBR, this project is a waste of time and you should feel bad for even attempting to change the perfection that was Brawl.

And to stingers, M2's fair is pretty good oos option, it comes out in like 6 frames and if you djc you can follow up with something else.
m2's jump is like 6 frames and his fair is 5 but yea, its a decent oos option if ur shield isnt pushed back too much, mewtwos got a long shield slide sorta like luigi. taj usually oos djc nairs cuz of that, but it is a lot slower then fair.
 

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That guy earlier was trolling right? Right.

Also, jalued, your assertion that healing moves make games "too defensive" is offensive.
There is exactly no reason why a healing move could be perfectly valid. Even a passive healing move.
At one end of the spectrum, we have toon link's taunt, and at the other end we have... something... else. In between the two is a perfectly legitimate idea that has no business being swept under the rung because of some preconception of proper gameplay.

That argument gets under my skin every freakin time.
 

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@M2:

How about replacing Fair with his old Fsmash (burst of darkness/psychic stuff in front of him), and make a new, more useful Fsmash?
 

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m2's jump is like 6 frames and his fair is 5 but yea, its a decent oos option if ur shield isnt pushed back too much, mewtwos got a long shield slide sorta like luigi. taj usually oos djc nairs cuz of that, but it is a lot slower then fair.
Nair is actually 1 frame faster, the hitbox is active on frame 5 compared to fair's frame 6, it also has less lag when l-cancelled, but I usually just go for fair cause I'm jumping forward to be in range from being pushed while shielding.
 

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are u sure fair is frame 6? i thought it was frame 5

and I meant slower because u have to double jump to djc, makes it slower overall
 

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Putting it on a different direction would mean that you couldn't taunt cancel it with a face button.
 

`dazrin

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FUUU

just had one of the most amazing smashfests with HELLA projectM and i found out i didn't have a video splitter to record it last second.

arghhh. >_<

Also $1 projectm mini-tourney being hosted this weekend in BC. stuff WILL be recorded =_="
 

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Putting it on a different direction would mean that you couldn't taunt cancel it with a face button.
Actually, Demo 2.1 added the ability to also footstool with d-taunt (why not also side-taunt, I have no idea), as well.

But that doesn't mean that's justification for suddenly changing taunt directions around. I don't know why people would care to have the directions changed, anyway...
 

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Actually, Demo 2.1 added the ability to also footstool with d-taunt (why not also side-taunt, I have no idea), as well.

But that doesn't mean that's justification for suddenly changing taunt directions around. I don't know why people would care to have the directions changed, anyway...
Because Melee.
 

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Signatures won't show up in quick replies unless you tick the box on the bottom right.
... you can't quote in quick reply... and you might have noticed my last post was a quote... I just can't get my signature to show no matter what=(... is stupid=(...

oh where has my signature gone?.. and i just made it so awezome too=(...
 

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Lol Wario Boards are whining about how bad Wario: M is.

Also I think I might want to pick up G&W. He hasn't been getting like ANY love :<
 

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Lol Wario Boards are whining about how bad Wario: M is.

Also I think I might want to pick up G&W. He hasn't been getting like ANY love :<
Wario boards? Wario isn't that bad...he's just got some extremely horrible end lag on some of his moves. If you use his quick less laggy moves to set up opportunities to use the very good but laggy moves safely then...well it works out much better. Think Marth...except you have short range.
 
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