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Project M Social Thread
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GP&B
Ike 'n' Ike
I don't how to feel about Tink. I really do enjoy picking him up but I'm just not feeling like I'm pushing him far enough. There definitely has to be some tools he has to justify the much weaker recovery. Guess I'll just have to see what others are doing with Tink then.
Link, on the other hand, is amazing.
Link, on the other hand, is amazing.
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ph00t: what people fail to realize is that despite Falco's lack of distance, it's the difficult to react to, flexible options he has in recovering that makes his recovery not abysmal.
most as in mewtwo, samus, zelda, and maybe pikachu/pichu? (I'm actually not sure about pikachu and pichu)
Juushichi
sugoi ~ sugoi ~
Actually, trying to get Brawl Diddy's recovery in Brawl is pretty parallel to trying to get Falco's in Melee Vigi.
It's surprisingly more flexible than you'd think.
It's surprisingly more flexible than you'd think.
Except it is good.
Go through the characters and decide which have a better recovery than Falco.
Because right now I'm looking at it and I'm seeing Fox, Jigglypuff, Peach, Samus, Mewtwo, and Zelda. I'm unsure about Marth, Pika, and Pichu.
When thinking about recoveries you really need to take in every factor, not just the length.
EDIT: This post was about melee only, not Project M. My b.
9Kplus1
Smash Master
Pika's recovery is far more flexible and overall much safer than Falco's
ELI-mination
Smash Champion
http://www.twitch.tv/freesaltines
Watch Leelue lose profusely! Wholesome fun for the whole family indeed!
Watch Leelue lose profusely! Wholesome fun for the whole family indeed!
JediKnightTemplar
Smash Lord
Ganondorf and CF should go on that list as well. Their Up Bs aren't all that great, but if you take into account the fact that both of them get a jump out of Down B, their horizontal recovery suddenly becomes fairly good as long as they were flung on a diagonal upwards.
it's still not even that bad though. the only time he's not going to make it back is when he's knocked down to one of the corners of the screen; otherwise his up works well, or you can get a big enough charge on his QD to at least make a walljump. also, speaking of wall jumps, the way we've got our neutrals/counterpicks setup, half of the neutrals grant him even greater recovery (either because stage extends all the way downwards or at least partially). so especially if you get one of those stages, killing Ike sideways is so much harder than knocking him up or spiking him.After playing around with Ike more, I completely understand the decision to give him a crap recovery. He's such a beast on stage that he would be flat out broken if he even had a recovery as bad as Falco's.
LOL. Down B recovery is so situational. Ganondorf and CF's recoveries are absolute **** when you take into account how predictable and easy to gimp they are.
Kink-Link5
Smash Hero
Marth's recovery is pretty bad as far as actually working goes. He literally has to sweetspot the ledge every time or he's just sent back off. Pikachu's is better than Falco's, Pichu's is the same as or slightly worse than his.
Other characters with probably better than Falco's recovery are Sheik, Link, Young Link (though it is generally considered Bad for his weight class), and, depending on the situation, Doc (Massive, easy sweet spot which is better against gimps), Mario (Still relatively large sweet spot and slightly longer recovery otherwise) Yoshi (At percents where his armor won't break, after which Falco's is better), and Luigi if Down B has been charged.
Uncharged down B Luigi is probably tied with Roy for worst recovery.
Disregard that, Kirby has the worst recovery in the game. No priority on anything while coming back, slow, and predictable; horrible sweet spot.
Kink-Link5
Smash Hero
The condescending attitude in it bothers me.
Kink-Link5
Smash Hero
Then you need to seriously reexamine the criteria from which you judge others.
standardtoaster
Tubacabra
9Kplus1
Smash Master
Ness has the best recovery in Melee
****** is so hard to gimp when you have slug reaction time and the reflexes of a sloth
****** is so hard to gimp when you have slug reaction time and the reflexes of a sloth
Kink-Link5
Smash Hero
Neither do I.
Good think Link has bombs and priority while recovering.
Good think Link has bombs and priority while recovering.
FireBall Stars
Smash Ace
Unless falco sweetspots the ledge all the time, his recovery is pretty ****ty.
But I must agree, falco's recovery is more flexible than most recoveries in the game even with such a little distance it can cover.
Still, most characters have a very easy time edgeguarding him anyway.
But I must agree, falco's recovery is more flexible than most recoveries in the game even with such a little distance it can cover.
Still, most characters have a very easy time edgeguarding him anyway.
9Kplus1
Smash Master
Then don't try to understand. You've given your input, already. If those with whom you were trying to imbue knowledge don't start to see things from your perspective, then either present stronger evidence, or just stop there. There's no use in saying, essentially, "I don't get why your perspective on [topic] isn't the same as mine (ours)". I'm reiterating myself over and over again; but this thread doesn't need to be clustered up with meaningless discussions and brash posts such as the ones you've been making, recently.Youngling said:
Utterrandomness
Smash Apprentice
Lol, calling somebody stupid cause their opinion is slightly different. Reminds me of being 12yo again...
Indeed, as well as both the Links, Yoshi, Luigi if he's got down b, and the ICs.
Sanity's_Theif
Smash Ace
I know that, I wasn't even expecting answer from the PMBR, just other people trying to do the same thing
Thanks bro, gonna try it out right now
BTW went to that tourny in Framingham and played project M, I hate fighting Peach lol even though I thought Link had a good matchup against her in melee, I hate fighting Jigglypuff too damnit
I hope your talking about Melee... In PM there isn't anything situational about link's Bomb jump.Bombs are unbelievably situational
NinjaFoxX
Banned via Warnings
can i use a 4GB SD card now?
just wondering.
just wondering.
MonkUnit
Project M Back Roomer
If you're using Riivolution, you can use a 2GB+ SD Card. Any other method will require a 2GB or lower SD card.
Lol, calling somebody 12 years old cause their opinion is slightly different. Reminds me of being stupid again...
JediKnightTemplar
Smash Lord
Lol, calling someone stupid cause their opinion is slightly different. Reminds me of when I was 12yo again...
PurDi
Smash Journeyman
Lol, calling someone 12yo cause their opinion is slightly different. Reminds me of being 12 years old again
MonkUnit
Project M Back Roomer
Let's not continue this.
MaxThunder
PM Support
lol... calling someone stupid cause their opinion is made up of words from a language that more than 356.5 people all over the world speak on a daily basis... reminds me of the old miller who fell under his own sock...
crush
Smash Master
im 12 and think yall are stupid
PurDi
Smash Journeyman
Sorry Monk. :/
In other news. I love Sonic... Could never play him in Brawl, minus or plus. But somehow, in PM, he's just so natural to me.
Favorite trick when the opponent is in the air is homing attack -> side-b -> jump -> reverse side-b. If your opponent jumps, they get hit by the first side-b; if they fall, they get hit on the ground by the second since you shoot diagonally down. Makes for fun mixups :D I haven't tested it on knowledgable DI though since my opponents get confused every time I do it...
In other news. I love Sonic... Could never play him in Brawl, minus or plus. But somehow, in PM, he's just so natural to me.
Favorite trick when the opponent is in the air is homing attack -> side-b -> jump -> reverse side-b. If your opponent jumps, they get hit by the first side-b; if they fall, they get hit on the ground by the second since you shoot diagonally down. Makes for fun mixups :D I haven't tested it on knowledgable DI though since my opponents get confused every time I do it...
If only you weren't so adorable.
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