Project M Social Thread

[NeoZ]

She was in the vid, must of missed her but ether way mad hype for zoot suit samus

"Must have"

Still eagerly eagerly waiting for ZSS confirm, but she was in the video, so I guess that works.

She wasn't.

 

[leelue]

She's not in either video, mr

 

[N.A.G.A.C.E]

I didnt think she was in the video, but i thought maybe i missed her or she was in the 2nd vid. Ether way she should be in demo 2 b/c she is so hype

 

[PropaneTankHank]

Is the second video canon for Demo 2? If so, Ness is in it, which would make him the last remaining unconfirmed character. It could easily be false, just mentioning that no other unconfirmed characters are in at all, but yeah I have no idea of the validity of the video.

 

[N.A.G.A.C.E]

"Must have"

Dont be an *******

 

[Stunts]

Please PMBR!
Ness' PK power is prime for the public!

 

[kaizo13]

Is the second video canon for Demo 2? If so, Ness is in it, which would make him the last remaining unconfirmed character. It could easily be false, just mentioning that no other unconfirmed characters are in at all, but yeah I have no idea of the validity of the video.

no the second video is not for Demo 2.

and why are people so convinced that trailer clips confirm characters? if u didn't notice, most if not all the clips in the trailer are old....from before the Demo2 roster was even decided. Although I do believe everyone in the trailer will be in the Demo.

 

[leelue]

Dont be an *******

Actually, "must of" instead of "must have" is pretty outlandish in its wrongness.

 

[Stunts]

no the second video is not for Demo 2.

and why are people convinced that trailer clips confirm characters? if u didn't notice, most if not all the clips in the trailer are old....from before the Demo2 roster was even decided. Although I do believe everyone in the trailer will be in the Demo.

I know alot of Melee players would be pissed if melee favorites like Peach and her abilities are shown off in the demo and not have them play her in the actual demo.

It would be a real **** move for the crew to pull that off lol

 

[curry9186]

My only question is why isn't blue destination the default?

 

[I R MarF]

Your arguments make sense but you are forgetting something. Melee is an old game. Alot of 3 year fox mains will figure out the new MU's in a months time.

This doesn't make sense to me since I alluded to this information in my theorysmash P:M cycle.

Something I can't understand is you want Melee vets to dominate but you also want Zelda to be nerfed....

Uh, I never said I wanted Melee vets to dominate. I think the characters should be balanced around Marth, Peach, and C. Falcon (high tiers) and not Fox and Falco, but thats not implying I want them to dominate.

You could have misread my post in which I said I think that Melee vets would dominate in the opening months of P:M's metagame, but thats a logical conclusion based on the fact people would be comfortable playing the melee vets first. I am not saying I want them to dominate.

And my chief problem with Zelda is her teleport. She already has a naturally inherent weakness of poor mobility. A player should overcome this issue with her powerful punish options and projectiles to control space. However, instead of players having to learn about this when trying to pick up Zelda, they know they can simply overcome the majority of her mobility problems by pressing up-b. She is actually pretty much set up to be a strength/weakness character like Marth and C. Falcon, but that one buff pushed her a little too far.

Another thing you are forgetting is the fact that new characters are already overall better than Melee's cast(not including buffed returning characters). Even before meleefication if you look at all that the characters are capable of doing.

What is this? Are you applying Darwinism to a GAME!? You act like the P:M team is forced into disbalance based on a character's attributes. This is a childish argument.

Pit - Has swords, arrows, reflecting shield, decent speed, WINGS.

How many characters could fly in melee? none technically. This has to be taken into account and it has by the PMBR. Pit has so many tools by default that they would have to take away one in order to give him a real solid weakness. As for strengths his only real strength that sticks out is his flight. aside from that he's not the best at any other aspect of smash.

So you are acknowledging he doesn't have any weaknesses which the opponent player could take advantage of/a Pit player has to take into account? And that "flight" strength which you casually passed off affects several aspects of his game, including recovery, offstage edgeguarding, outmanuerving slow characters who don't have projectiles like Pit, and his cross up game and approach seems really freaking good.

Fact of the matter is this is melee 2.0 and with that comes new dimensions that everyone will have to adjust too over time. To make Zelda terrible again or to Nerf Pit to the level of Melee's Donkey Kong would serve no purpose. He has the tools to be good and it he ends up as a good character it makes sense. As for him being easy button I don't think he's half as easy as Sheik. The people who play him have been playing him for months. Some for years. Same goes for Zelda.

I never suggested making characters awful. If you are going to keep putting words into peoples' mouths, quit trying to make points. And even if he may still be harder than Sheik, it doesn't justify anything because Sheik is not balanced, and he is still weaknessless and that puts him in a similar league as her.

As for Snake and Sonic. I think the difficulty for them was a combination of the mechanics being way to off and other aspects like Snake's weight made things seem worse then they were. I actually liked Sonic in demo vs 1. He has alot of weaknesses but his strength(speed) is a huge stand out.

Snake and Sonic had intentional design choices which included specific flaws and strengths. Poor game mechanics serves as justification for melee vets not playing well, but Snake and Sonic were designed specifically for the P:M enviroment at that time. I think people just wanted instant gratification and ease of use from the P:M characters and got frustrated when they realized that they were going to have to apply strengths and overcome weaknesses to utilize Snake and Sonic to their full potential... remember how cool it was when we saw those old FireBallStars videos with him doing work with Sonic? Characters that take devotion are more interesting to watch. That is why these characters should be designed in a model following Marth and C. Falcon and blah blah blah like I've said a hundred times and not like Sheik.

It kind of makes you wonder what the commentary for matches will be like, in Melee, commentators typically summarize the situation by sauing: character A must apply "x" strength to character B's weakness and the reverse. What about matches between Pit and Ganon? Will the commentator be like, "Alright, so Pit has excellent speed and projectile which he will use to really harass and close space on Ganon. Whereas the Ganon will be... hm... uh... the Ganon will wait patiently for the Pit to make a mistake because he has got nothin' on him"

 

[N.A.G.A.C.E]

Actually, "must of" instead of "must have" is pretty outlandish in its wrongness.

True but if i were to say must of in a conversation in person no one would correct me b/c its common in todays speech, plus u understand the meaning. And seeing how support the argument that if one can understand the meaning then its not incorrect, plus correcting someones speech/writing is a **** move made into a even bigger **** move b/c its online added to that is the fact i am writing on a phone at work so i rush. So u put all that together and it equals being an *******

 

[curry9186]

True but if i were to say must of in a conversation in person no one would correct me b/c its common in todays speech, plus u understand the meaning. And seeing how support the argument that if one can understand the meaning then its not incorrect, plus correcting someones speech/writing is a **** move made into a even bigger **** move b/c its online added to that is the fact i am writing on a phone at work so i rush. So u put all that together and it equals being an *******

In retort, would you say the same thing if your English teacher had made the correction instead of some random internet user?

 

[N.A.G.A.C.E]

In retort, would you say the same thing if your English teacher had made the correction instead of some random internet user?

I am not in school. But r we talking about it written out or if i was talking in person to a english teacher and they corrected me? B/c in person i would say something. If i wrote an essay, then checked it over and missed that mistake then no b/c its my fault for missing it. If i had to write a quick essay in class then yes i would make a argument

 

[phurgawtin]

Lol wtf? This isn't Melee 2.0... it's a totally different game altogether. You say it like you're implying people who play Melee will naturally switch over...

This is just a sideproject

Can I call this Melee 2.0?
Yes.

o. o

 

[leelue]

True but if i were to say must of in a conversation in person no one would correct me b/c its common in todays speech, plus u understand the meaning. And seeing how support the argument that if one can understand the meaning then its not incorrect, plus correcting someones speech/writing is a **** move made into a even bigger **** move b/c its online added to that is the fact i am writing on a phone at work so i rush. So u put all that together and it equals being an *******

The spoken word rebuttal falls apart because Must've is a contraction that sounds exactly like Must of, which is where this very common misunderstanding comes from.
Also, must've takes the same amount of characters to type as must of, unless your apostrophe is difficult to obtain (which is very possible). In which case, it's not so bad to just type mustve and actually save space.

The "you understand the meaning" argument falls apart because it allows far too much leeway in the way words are typed. I don't want to go searching for that famous study which has all of the inner letters of the words jumbled around and the meaning is still preserved, but nobody would ever type like that in real life.

I also don't support the argument that correcting one's speech online is a **** move. I am an advocate of rightness: nothing more, nothing less.
Well, maybe a little less. You have to take reasonable wrongs into account. Like typing "u" on a phone that has the old keypad. Or meme-speak. Or a true typo. Sure, that's passable in small doses. But "must of" is objectively wrong, and passes no convenience tests.

 

[9Kplus1]

So u put all that together and it equals being an *******

"... you..."

 

[leelue]

Lol 9k that's just mean.
And I covered that already =P

Forgotten, that was too good.

 

[Revven]

leelue should obv be a teacher because he obv knows his stuff for English. I mean, look at his avatar, a Raichu wearing glasses!

 

[leelue]

Yes! It's Professor Raichu.

And I don't appreciate that second edit =/

*watching you*

 

[curry9186]

I am not in school. But r we talking about it written out or if i was talking in person to a english teacher and they corrected me? B/c in person i would say something. If i wrote an essay, then checked it over and missed that mistake then no b/c its my fault for missing it. If i had to write a quick essay in class then yes i would make a argument

I can appreciate that viewpoint then. My English teacher always made the point that how you say something doesn't matter as much as how you write something because it's easier to convey understanding through speech.

 

[leelue]

I would say that they are close in importance because (for most people) we speak far more than we write.

Most people assume I know what I'm talking about because my active vocabulary is fairly sizable. It's gotten me pretty far in regards to earning respect from peers and those above me.

 

[kaizo13]

"Jump Cancel Grabs slide a little bit due to momentum from the previous action"

was this fixed?

 

[Sapphire Dragon]

Not sure where I can post suggestions, so I will try here. There's a couple a friend of mine asked for.

i would love to be able to use snakes nair and dair out of a short hop l;o

even if we have to l cancel it i wana have snakes aerials be useful on a sh

 

[leelue]

http://www.smashmods.com/forum/thread-1935.html
There, technically.
But a lot of people do it here. Even regulars. Even me (probably).
Also, I'm pretty sure snake's nair works fine out of short hop. I think.

 

[Sapphire Dragon]

Ah, I see then. Thanks for the link! Hopefully it does because if so, P:M will probably have another player.

 

[PMsurveys]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLCyjl4JdiE&feature=g-u-u&context=G22865a9FUAAAAAAAAAA&t=01m48s

That lucas combo was too hype

Why thank you : D

 

[leelue]

Not a problem "mystery" man.

 

[standardtoaster]

"Jump Cancel Grabs slide a little bit due to momentum from the previous action"

was this fixed?

It worked like this in melee. It's just an explanation as to how JC grabs work.

 

[rjgbadger]

at 8 seconds in that video puff does a double jump out of rest. why?

 

[kaizo13]

Not a problem "mystery" man.

that's LiverySpecks. and Lucas magnet no longer works like that correct?

 

[Supreme Dirt]

I just actually watched Specks's video

PERFUUUUME :3

 

[standardtoaster]

at 8 seconds in that video puff does a double jump out of rest. why?

That wasn't a double jump. It was just a shorthop rest. The video zooming in and rotating a bit may have thrown you off.

 

[PMsurveys]

Magnet still has the hit box then sends foes behind you, it just no longer pulls you towards targets that you're facing.

 

[kaizo13]

It worked like this in melee. It's just an explanation as to how JC grabs work.

it's under the "know issues" list

i'm sure jc grabs slide more in P:M, or used to at some point...which is why i'm asking if it was fixed

 

[Comeback Kid]

I'm just going to assume that we're getting every Melee character except Ice Climbers. That would mean we can expect what I have just dubbed the "Brawl 8".

8 truly new fighters, not including characters from the 1st demo like Sonic or Lucas since they are still in development.

 

[trojanpooh]

I thought the 24(?) characters were 100% sure to appear in the demo, 4 were leaked through the trailer, and 1 still remained?

 

[JCaesar]

Why would you assume that every Melee character except ICs will be in Demo 2? That's just silly.

no the second video is not for Demo 2.

and why are people so convinced that trailer clips confirm characters? if u didn't notice, most if not all the clips in the trailer are old....from before the Demo2 roster was even decided. Although I do believe everyone in the trailer will be in the Demo.

Some of the clips are indeed old. 10 internet cookies to the first person who can identify the clip in the trailer that was actually recorded BEFORE DEMO 1.

Not sure where I can post suggestions, so I will try here. There's a couple a friend of mine asked for.

With L-canceling, all Snake's aerials are much more useful low to the ground. SH nair is particularly excellent for pressure/spacing/approaching.

 

[PGH Carroll]

ZSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS please.

 

[I R MarF]

Just how big are pivot grabs?