Project M Social Thread

[Rikana]

The number one olimar hack on brawl vault is cloud strife over olimar... So I'm pretty sure it is possible.

Also I would love to hear the ideas that have been thrown around about olimar... to make his play style more... exciting.

Like mentioned, its not as easy as you think it is. Many rigs and vertexes aren't perfect. Let's not even get into the details of how time consuming it is to perfect the animations and make movesets for characters. On top of all that, this mod is trying to be as professional as possible; as if you bought it from a store. We wouldn't want a character such as Mewtwo with Olimar sound effects. There are many areas that Brawl hacking hasn't covered yet.

Edit: Olimar is staying. His moveset will still require pikmins.

 

[Xinc]

Like mentioned, its not as easy as you think it is. Many rigs and vertexes aren't perfect. Let's not even get into the details of how time consuming it is to perfect the animations and make movesets for characters. On top of all that, this mod is trying to be as professional as possible; as if you bought it from a store. We wouldn't want a character such as Mewtwo with Olimar sound effects. There are many areas that Brawl hacking hasn't covered yet.

Edit: Olimar is staying. His moveset will still require pikmins.

Even though it might not be melee-esque environment, he'll be unique. xD

 

[foshio]

Like mentioned, its not as easy as you think it is. Many rigs and vertexes aren't perfect. Let's not even get into the details of how time consuming it is to perfect the animations and make movesets for characters. On top of all that, this mod is trying to be as professional as possible; as if you bought it from a store. We wouldn't want a character such as Mewtwo with Olimar sound effects. There are many areas that Brawl hacking hasn't covered yet.

Edit: Olimar is staying. His moveset will still require pikmins.

There is a fully working mewtwo with sfx's to go with it already made... The moveset is kinda null because you'd have to change that for olimar anyhow... but i'll conseed, despite not being told a way that olimar could be interesting I will stop talking about this.

 

[drsusredfish]

What mkes a fighter interesting?
(general question for anyone so we can get some oli ideas going)

 

[foshio]

What mkes a fighter interesting?

What makes melee more interesting than brawl...

 

[ph00tbag]

I seriously will never understand the Olimar hate.

 

[foshio]

I seriously will never understand the Olimar hate.

I don't hate olimar (used to second him in brawl +) I just love mewtwo.

 

[drsusredfish]

What makes melee more interesting than brawl...

Lcancels, wave dash, for the most part. Oli has that in PM.

 

[Spoon~]

I'm sorry i dont understand your point... My point was about interesting play styles... they can be improved and made viable so that is what is done. Olimar needs a complete revamp to be meleefied. That, along with him having little fan support among many smash fans (honestly come on) makes him the perfect candidate to be replaced by a very popular character with alot of potential. Now I know people are probably thinking I'm a troll... but i was just suggesting it... I think most of us smashers would like it.

Olimar has a fanbase, just because you say he doessn't, does not make your statement mean anything.

oh and...

Is Mewtwo gonna be in this?
The Project M Back Room has taken the stance that no Melee characters will return unless they can be seamlessly added without replacing any character as well as have their own Character Select icon.

 

[Stunts]

Lamer than Puff?

IIRC Puff has huge *** limbs of priority with amazing horizontal movement while Oli has ****ty priority besides yellow pikmin and pretty mediocre movement. And his recovery sucks.

He ain't lamer than Jiggs son. Come on yo.

He also has the best grabs in the game, one of the best characters for racking up percentages, smashes that have great kb, arials with decietful range ( though he is a ground character and also the goal is to not go of stage).

I don't get why so many people diss Olimar. He's A tier for a reason. And my initial main. With P:M's tether mechanic, it'll make him even better. Jus Saiyan

 

[ETWIST51294]

He also has the best grabs in the game, one of the best characters for racking up percentages, smashes that have great kb, arials with decietful range ( though he is a ground character and also the goal is to not go of stage).

I don't get why so many people diss Olimar. He's A tier for a reason. And my initial main. With P:M's tether mechanic, it'll make him even better. Jus Saiyan

I know all of that. I was just saying how Oli doesn't have a lame playstyle. He doesn't run, he just spaces and has big punishes.

I used to main Oli when I played Brawl.

 

[foshio]

Lcancels, wave dash, for the most part. Oli has that in PM.

... ew.. I was thinking fast game play, offensive character (not defensive spammers) AND tech skilled

 

[ETWIST51294]

Defensive spammers?

lol..

You don't play Melee.

Melee is gay in tourney.

Not aggressive at all.

REAL TALK

 

[foshio]

Defensive spammers?

lol..

You don't play Melee.

Melee is gay in tourney.

Not aggressive at all.

REAL TALK

Uh... compared to brawl... melee is a diamond of offensive amazingness... By far the least offensive character is puff... and she's really horrible to watch (when played like hbox).

 

[drsusredfish]

... ew.. I was thinking fast game play, offensive character (not defensive spammers) AND tech skilled

L-cancels and wave dash are both tech skill and make you offensive and fast. thats why they are "for the most part" the thing that make melee interesting. also not all fighters are completley offensive nor are all players offensive. Everyone cant be fox you know but they can be as good as fox through their own playstlye whether offensive or deffensive. (Even if offense is the cooler option)

 

[foshio]

L-cancels and wave dash are both tech skill and make you offensive and fast. thats why they are "for the most part" the thing that make melee interesting. also not all fighters are completley offensive nor are all players offensive. Everyone cant be fox you know.

I meant just the entire game speed in general. From character running speeds, air speeds (generalization) to controller in the selection screen speeds (which should also be sped up in project m cause they are way to slow in brawl). I'm not trying to fight you guys, i think we all agree that melee is more interesting in more than just a tech skill way than brawl...

 

[ph00tbag]

Shoot, I played against a high level Olimar regularly in Brawl, and I still think the character is one of the most interesting in any Smash game ever. I couldn't possibly hate the guy.

 

[drsusredfish]

We're not fighting. this is just a conversation ^_^

 

[drsusredfish]

To make oli better give oli a new type of nair. The nair would have strong KB at the begining then a multiple hiting sex kick type move in the middle then strong KB at the end The animation coud still be his brawl animation but maybe spining a little longer. Kinda like MK's nair but the multy hit part doesn't throw the enemy out of the move. How about a hit box on olis whistle thats as big as his head. That hit box could pop the enmy up like his up tilt, which looked like a single hit now IIRC. armor, switch pikmin, and a possible combo starter all in one move that'll make oli good.

 

[9Kplus1]

Goddammit I'm hungry. Is fried pikmin confirmed for Project:M yet??

 

[drsusredfish]

heard of so-Po for a single ice climber. well now meet Oli-lone for olimar with no pikmin. he should atleast have one move, like the nair i mentioned, to fight by himself if needed.
(all alone = oli-lone if you don't get the joke)

 

[Stevo]

lonlimar

 

[drsusredfish]

lonlimar

quiet mines is better
jk jk

 

[standardtoaster]

settle down

http://www.twitch.tv/standardtoaster

(with controller cam because vig wanted it for this one)

 

[Kink-Link5]

Foshio you have been watching way too much hbox if you think jiggs is only a defensive "gay" character. Watch some old mango matches or hell, even king. Hbox is garbage that gets **** on by Armada every tournament and is no way indicative of high level Jigglypuff play.

 

[standardtoaster]

that was a fun stream

 

[ETWIST51294]

Foshio you have been watching way too much hbox if you think jiggs is only a defensive "gay" character. Watch some old mango matches or hell, even king. Hbox is garbage that gets **** on by Armada every tournament and is no way indicative of high level Jigglypuff play.

--mentions King

--Calls Hbox garbage

Oh smashboards.

 

[Xinc]

Olimar has a fanbase, just because you say he doessn't, does not make your statement mean anything.

oh and...

I guess the clone engine's not making much progress.

 

[Jonny Westside]

Interesting. It seems you guys are very limited to making changes to Oli that differ from his Brawl counterpart. What exactly is the plan with M:Oli? His Brawl smash attacks and overall moveset are really good and canon let's face it. It's really disappointing knowing that Oli isn't gonna change much aside from some possible tilt re-animations and KB/% tweeks. :/

 

[Mono.]

Olimar's gay.

 

[Kink-Link5]

I must have been mistaken when I saw Hungrybox being played like a drum by Armada every time they played since Apex 2010.

 

[Mr.Jackpot]

The general fanbase don't like Olimar because scrubs don't know how to play him.

 

[Cero]

I must have been mistaken when I saw Hungrybox being played like a drum by Armada every time they played since Apex 2010.

Okay. Hungrybox's style might be campy and not as fun to watch as other players...

But there's no way you can justifiably label him as "garbage".

You're saying he sucks because he gets consistently beaten by Armada and Mango?

They're considered the best in their respective continents. They're the kings of Smash. What the hell did you expect?

 

[Kink-Link5]

My point stands that he is not definitive of Jigglypuff's most effective playstyle. Just because Hbox uses the character in as campy a way as possible and does well doesn't mean Jigglypuff's design is to be labeled as "gay". That's like saying as a comparison, that Young Link is gay because of Armada's out camping Hbox with the character. There's plenty Jigglypuff can do aggressively and even if the character's current meta player doesn't do them, they are still there to use. It's just that as previously mentioned, Melee's metagame is favoring defensive playstyles at the moment and Hbox, who's playstyle has always been like that, becomes a more notable name in this metagame.

 

[N.A.G.A.C.E]

hey guys idk what u have done with link or r planing to do. but recently in the melee tier list thread i asked how good would link+ylink with all there best things put together would be. people seem to think they would be high tier, and people seem to want to see tis happen. So i was wondering if u guys would think about making link a combo of himself and ylink.

 

[Spoon~]

hey guys idk what u have done with link or r planing to do. but recently in the melee tier list thread i asked how good would link+ylink with all there best things put together would be. people seem to think they would be high tier, and people seem to want to see tis happen. So i was wondering if u guys would think about making link a combo of himself and ylink.

Link seems pretty good where he is right now from the looks of streams.

 

[metroid1117]

My point stands that he is not definitive of Jigglypuff's most effective playstyle. Just because Hbox uses the character in as campy a way as possible and does well doesn't mean Jigglypuff's design is to be labeled as "gay". That's like saying as a comparison, that Young Link is gay because of Armada's out camping Hbox with the character. There's plenty Jigglypuff can do aggressively and even if the character's current meta player doesn't do them, they are still there to use. It's just that as previously mentioned, Melee's metagame is favoring defensive playstyles at the moment and Hbox, who's playstyle has always been like that, becomes a more notable name in this metagame.

A part of why people label Jiggs as "gay" is because of her extremely low-risk high-reward options. Rest enables her to get kills insanely early and, because of her weight and floatiness, she is difficult to combo and punish effectively even if she misses a rest at low %s. Not only that, but she rarely dies from getting edge-guarded; edge-guarding is a huge part of Melee, and yet she's one of those characters that aren't horribly helpless when off-stage because of her multiple jumps, Pound recovery, and quick FAir/BAirs to ward off edgeguarders.

 

[Cero]

My point stands that he is not definitive of Jigglypuff's most effective playstyle. Just because Hbox uses the character in as campy a way as possible and does well doesn't mean Jigglypuff's design is to be labeled as "gay". That's like saying as a comparison, that Young Link is gay because of Armada's out camping Hbox with the character. There's plenty Jigglypuff can do aggressively and even if the character's current meta player doesn't do them, they are still there to use. It's just that as previously mentioned, Melee's metagame is favoring defensive playstyles at the moment and Hbox, who's playstyle has always been like that, becomes a more notable name in this metagame.

As long as we're clear that Hbox isn't a bad player.

I just don't like when people hate on Hbox for his playstyle. It's his right to play like that so long as the ruleset allows him to.

 

[N.A.G.A.C.E]

Link seems pretty good where he is right now from the looks of streams.

maybe he is good atm but my idea has melee players interested which seems like a good thing for the project.

Spoiler

not sure the level of interest these players before the hybrid link idea

Also i am not saying link/ylink hybrid has to be used in the final product, but it would be nice to try it out.

 

[Vigilante]

Just saying, because I speak French, the translation of the French Pikmin song pretty much describes Olimar as a horrible person who throws his Pikmin away after he's done using them, while they continue coming back to him like a beaten wife stuck in a vicious circle, lol.

Olimar = evil.

Jokes aside, I'd rather we not make Olimar campy, but based offusing his Pikmin intelligently in comboes. We won't see more matches based entierly on planking in Project M. Still, we're not completely clear on Olimar for now, so anything is possible at this point.