Project M Social Thread Gold

[9Kplus1]

I'm personally a bit disappointed that version-exclusive MegaEvos have been confirmed for things that aren't blatantly Uber. The fact that the opposition (currently) has no means of immediately confirming that a Pokemon is holding a MegaStone makes the option of MegaEvolving very powerful by itself. Version-exclusive MegaEvos will give unnecessary options to Pokemon that are already strong and usable; afawk, MegaEvolving doesn't take up an entire turn, so given that much it's completely possible for things like MegaZard and MegaVenu to completely change their set of checks and counters instantaneously--MegaZard especially due to its retyping (in X's case), offensive stat increase, and new abilities (one of which is broken to high Hell).

And don't come at me with that "Oh, GF isn't dumb enough to not balance this" crap because that's bull****. The closest thing GF has to done to show that they're paying attention to "balance" this gen was giving Fairy that godlike Bug resist; this, albeit indirectly, is a U-turn nerf, which was needed since its debut in DPP. Parting Shot still fkn exists; Drizzle / Drought is still available to non-box legends without appropriate nerfs; and, OH, did I forget to mention that Gengar got buffed AGAIN?? That's kinda fkn important. But yeah, X and Y MegaEvos are dumb as hell.

Also, am I the only one who things Mega Zard Y looks cooler than X?

You're not alone. I prefer the design closer to the original rather than some mediocre bull**** that looks like it came out of a 14-year old nerd's fanfic that he's too afraid to show to anyone else, but juuuuuuuuuust shameless enough with to season it with a bit of furfaggotry. Seriously what a lame ****ing MegaEvo and if you like it, you're probably a shameless Charizard fanboy with no concern for anything important. Like how ****ing broken the additional MegaEvo option is or Obamacare. God GF; way to **** up a lot of good things.

 

[Kaye Cruiser]

Y'know 9K, you could've just said "I'm mad" and we probably would've gotten the same message, except a lot shorter and calmer.

 

[Mr.Jackpot]

Peach's Castle eh?

Hey PMBR.

Great Bay.

You know we want it.

hapee bifdey

 

[hotdogturtle]

I'm personally a bit disappointed that version-exclusive MegaEvos have been confirmed for things that aren't blatantly Uber.

The entire purpose of Mega Evolutions is to boost older Pokemon to (near-)Uber levels.

 

[Plum]

Mega Farfetch'd pls.

 

[9Kplus1]

I can't ever see a Pokemon that's restricted to a single item without substantial stat boosts being anywhere near the level of the crap that was allowed in OU this gen (mostly referring to Kyu-B, Drizzle, Drought, Keldeo--those are at the near-Uber level). Now, give that Pokemon two possible forms to take in-battle, and you've got yourself something broken as ****.

 

[Second Power]

9K: We don't know the full extent of the changes in the game. For all we know, Air Lock and Cloud Nine were buffed to outright remove weather and given to some fantastic pokemon and megas. Maybe Drought and Drizzle were nerfed to only last five turns (which wouldn't have been mentioned because it would only hype a small portion of the fanbase and simply piss off the rest of it). There is very little reason to be that pessimistic on an unreleased game.

 

[9Kplus1]

Huh? I wasn't raging on about weather, I was merely trashing the concept of version-exclusive MegaEvos. Personally, I'm fine with Drizzle / Drought being accessible via horrible Pokemon; it's just that GF shouldn't have even made such a choice in the first place. It was bound to cause the overwhelming ****storm that's still commonplace in the competitive Pokemon community--you know, that "omfg I'm so hipster, I don't like OU becuz it's all weather" horse****. Besides that, I'm well aware that anything subjective said about XY before its release is nothing more than mere speculation and doesn't confirm anything. Again; MegaEvos are already powerful and version-exclusive MegaEvos only give the concept stupid and unneeded improvements. I suppose one could argue that only a few Pokemon will receive version-exclusive ME's, but I could counter that with how it's nothing more than fanservice--and fanservice always looks sloppy and dumb.

 

[Comeback Kid]

Mega Charizard X. What the hell Gamefreak? Stop releasing the interesting stuff for X, give Y something too.

I disagree. So far I prefer the more common Pokemon types in Y as well as the exclusive MegaEvolvs so far for Y over X.

I agree with 9K that the X Dragon looks like bad fanart, and so does that weird Freiza Fighting Mewtwo.

The Y "Awakening" form actually looks like a form closer to Mew, the purer genetic data coming to the surface.

 

[GHNeko]

uh oh

9k talking about pokemon

steer clear guys

he'll never stop if you enable him

 

[trash?]

9k this is an intervention

we're putting you into rehab, I'm so sorry

 

[Plum]

So if the Mega Stone is supposed to put them up to Uber level, or at least damn close, then maybe the best question to ask is would you play an Uber in OU if the restriction was no item?

 

[Second Power]

Huh? I wasn't raging on about weather, I was merely trashing the concept of version-exclusive MegaEvos. Personally, I'm fine with Drizzle / Drought being accessible via horrible Pokemon; it's just that GF shouldn't have even made such a choice in the first place. It was bound to cause the overwhelming ****storm that's still commonplace in the competitive Pokemon community--you know, that "omfg I'm so hipster, I don't like OU becuz it's all weather" horse****.

Oh. I feel embarrassed now. Though, if that's true, I think that roughly half the community of smogon are hipsters then. I can remember the debate thread where they got 10 generally agreed upon good players to talk about weather, I think it was 3 pro 7 against. I can't find either the thread or the poll, though, so feel free to take it with a grain of salt.

I really don't see a problem with two mega forms, though. It shouldn't be too hard to figure out which it is. Scouting helps a lot in this regard. A lead charizard is likely to be Y (since Y is a weather starter and maybe wall breaker), while if you notice Charizard is notably absent for the first few turns, you can take that as a hint its X (who will most likely primarily be a sweeper). The real pain will be Ninetales and Charizard together, where you will most likely have to 50-50 it.

 

[hotdogturtle]

I can't ever see a Pokemon that's restricted to a single item without substantial stat boosts being anywhere near the level of the crap that was allowed in OU this gen

They do get substantial stat boosts (at least most of them are confirmed; a few haven't confirmed any stat changes but it seems overwhelmingly likely at this point).

 

[Rikana]

So.. all 4 episodes of Pokemon The Original is out. Superrrrr stoked about watching it.

 

[Comeback Kid]

So.. all 4 episodes of Pokemon The Original is out. Superrrrr stoked about watching it.

Link for us peasants?

 

[Rikana]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAdGv89e0sE

very aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
so died
much laugh
waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaw

 

[9Kplus1]

Oh. I feel embarrassed now. Though, if that's true, I think that roughly half the community of smogon are hipsters then. I can remember the debate thread where they got 10 generally agreed upon good players to talk about weather, I think it was 3 pro 7 against. I can't find either the thread or the poll, though, so feel free to take it with a grain of salt.

I know what you're talking about, and most of the participants in that debate thread are pretty active OU players. In any case, I was referring the one of the most common reasons for players participating in lower tiers being "OU is too weather based" or something of that nature. I mean, I dabble in NU, UU, LC, Tier Shift--just a bunch of ****--because OU is just... heavily populated, and finding a good player there is a huge chore. Usually, whenever I converse with someone who near-exclusively plays in lower tiers, they eventually talk about how powerful Drizzle / Drought is in OU; the smarter ones go on about other problems, ****ty choices made this gen, etc, but that's irrelevant right now. I mean, if even the casuals recognize that Drizzle / Drought is more powerful than Sand Stream / Snow Warning, then a mistake must have been made at some point.

I really don't see a problem with two mega forms, though. It shouldn't be too hard to figure out which it is. Scouting helps a lot in this regard. A lead charizard is likely to be Y (since Y is a weather starter and maybe wall breaker), while if you notice Charizard is notably absent for the first few turns, you can take that as a hint its X (who will most likely primarily be a sweeper). The real pain will be Ninetales and Charizard together, where you will most likely have to 50-50 it.

Based on what we know so far, scouting for MegaEvos will be nothing like scouting for a particular set. The possible MegaMon can act without revealing their MegaStone; e.g, Charizard can feign an EB set with Solar Power and end up being DD with Charizardnite Y (not the best example, but you should be able to see my point). Once again, MegaEvos allow the user to change their set of checks and counters at whim, so actually MEing is an option that only one side has control of. You can try to scout for a MegaStone via smart double switching or something of that sort, but that just creates an unnecessary scenario in which one player has to severely outplay the other in order to... not be surprised--not gain a strategical advantage, but just not be surprised later in the game, when, you know, said Pokemon decides to become uncounterable. Also, not to offend, but only bad players lead off with their weather inducer. Drought, Drizzle, Sand Stream, and Snow Warning are just too valuable to toss out so early in the game without any prior knowledge of the opposing player, and their team for that matter.

They do get substantial stat boosts (at least most of them are confirmed; a few haven't confirmed any stat changes but it seems overwhelmingly likely at this point).

What's your definition of "substantial"? Because they'd need ridiculous power, defensive, and speed boosts to even make up for the lack of items.

 

[Comeback Kid]

Wow, the dark side of Pokemon battling revealed.

 

[hotdogturtle]

What's your definition of "substantial"? Because they'd need ridiculous power, defensive, and speed boosts to even make up for the lack of items.

We don't have any totals yet, but that is what they (Game Freak/Masuda) have claimed in all of their promotional material. We'll find out soon enough, in any case.

 

[Jolteon]

Wow, the dark side of Pokemon battling revealed.

Should give Pokemon Adventures a read.

edit:

Spoiler

 

[HyperrCrow]

Wow, the dark side of Pokemon battling revealed.

Being a Pokemon master is serious business man, don't sleep on it.

 

[GHNeko]

didnt i ****ing tell you guys not to enable 9k

he will not stop

im telling you

 

[trash?]

welcome to pokemon m social thread, hope you all enjoy your stay

 

[9Kplus1]

Should give Pokemon Adventures a read.

edit:

Spoiler

Can't forget about:

Spoiler

 

[Vashimus]

I really don't agree how leading off with a weather inducer automatically makes you a bad player. Sometimes based on the opponent's team, they really do seem like the most optimal choice. Like say you're Scarf Toed that has good match ups versus half of the other team's pokes.

 

[9Kplus1]

I really don't agree how leading off with a weather inducer automatically makes you a bad player. Sometimes based on the opponent's team, they really do seem like the most optimal choice. Like say you're Scarf Toed that has good match ups versus half of the other team's pokes.

Drought, Drizzle, Sand Stream, and Snow Warning are just too valuable to toss out so early in the game without any prior knowledge of the opposing player, and their team for that matter.

Ah, the previous sentence was worded pretty badly, sorry. What I'd meant by that was: it's generally not the best option to lead off with a weather inducer if you're unaware of what your opponent has planned against it. Weather control is just so important that leading off with a permaweathermon is very risky choice--it by no means makes a player "bad", it's just not particularly beneficial in a neutral situation.

 

[Vashimus]

Oh I'm sorry, were we talking about No Preview OU?

Because if I see a team with a Dragonite, Terrakion, and a Heatran in it (random example), Scarf Politoed would statistically be a good choice.

EDIT: Oh I see. Thanks for clearing it up.

 

[Sarix]

I feel like a bit of a hipster amongst all of the people excited for Charizard's mega evolution since I'm way more excited for Ampharos and Kangaskhan's mega evolutions.

 

[9Kplus1]

Oh I'm sorry, were we talking about No Preview OU?

Because if I see a team with a Dragonite, Terrakion, and a Heatran in it (random example), Scarf Politoed would statistically be a good choice.

Terrakion is probably Sashed, which means that you just revealed your Toed's moveset and now Dragonite and Heatran can take advantage of that. It's a super risky play that may seem beneficial when you make it, but ultimately sealed your fate because you gave your opp a pretty good mental advantage early on.

 

[Vashimus]

Hmm... I guess I still got a long way to go then.

 

[GHNeko]

from zelda to pokemon.

this site is truly filed with nintendo fans

i am out of my element.

*holds dreamcast close*

 

[Kaye Cruiser]

Meanwhile, somewhere in the Cerulean Cave.

from zelda to pokemon.

this site is truly filed with nintendo fans

i am out of my element.

*holds dreamcast close*

I'm kinda with you somewhat. I'm not a Nintendo fan at all since I've only played a few of their games. XD

I just have a varied selection of tastes.

 

[DMG]

Most people on ladder will assume you have Specs or Scarf on Toad because people are uncreative and like clicking Hydro Pump in Rain for big damage. Literally 70-80% of people will run one or the other, and will also lead off with Hydro Pump. It's harder, but more nuanced and skillful, to use him conservatively.

I find it funner to run manual rain teams, or "assume" they will use Rain and stack my team with things like Kingdra lol. It's a blast. Win or lose, YOU'RE USING KINGDRA AND LUDICOLO AND FRIENDS!

 

[hotdogturtle]

I feel like a bit of a hipster amongst all of the people excited for Charizard's mega evolution since I'm way more excited for Ampharos and Kangaskhan's mega evolutions.

Congratulations, you are a normal person.

 

[Vashimus]

Most people on ladder will assume you have Specs or Scarf on Toad because people are uncreative and like clicking Hydro Pump in Rain for big damage. Literally 70-80% of people will run one or the other, and will also lead off with Hydro Pump. It's harder, but more nuanced and skillful, to use him conservatively.

I usually switch him out to see what's the scoop with people, plus I need rain for Sharpedo, but you got a point. Defensive Toed just never really works for me when I use it though.

 

[DMG]

Doing that loses you a LOT of momentum though. Setting up rain, at the cost of not touching their lead and probably taking a decently strong hit, is kind of hard to power through. If they have a sashed lead, even worse. Probably worst choice you could have made (as broad as that sounds, it's usually true).

Leading with him is more committed than you probably think. Unless their lead will absolutely manhandle you, you need to put on your BIG TOAD PANTS and fire off something. Which... is also lose lose because it will probably give away your set. Listen to 9K, don't do et.

Politoed as a lead is one of the most planned for things in OU, until you get higher up and people stop clustering over Rain as hard. You better be prepared for War if you want to do that.

 

[shadow0x0cloud]

pfft all this talk about drought/drizzle




sandstorm master race

 

[DMG]

Politoed makes the sand in your britches wet

 

[Xinc]

Doing that loses you a LOT of momentum though. Setting up rain, at the cost of not touching their lead and probably taking a decently strong hit, is kind of hard to power through. If they have a sashed lead, even worse. Probably worst choice you could have made (as broad as that sounds, it's usually true).

Leading with him is more committed than you probably think. Unless their lead will absolutely manhandle you, you need to put on your BIG TOAD PANTS and fire off something. Which... is also lose lose because it will probably give away your set. Listen to 9K, don't do et.

Politoed as a lead is one of the most planned for things in OU, until you get higher up and people stop clustering over Rain as hard. You better be prepared for War if you want to do that.

Wifi Weather Wars, no joke. I think Specially Defensive Tyrannitar should be able to take a hit from Politoed if sand comes up first. And Swift Swim Kingdra without a Politoed can take advantage of any rainy team, provided Ferro doesn't show its ugly face...