Fox needed the nerfs because he's Fox. But if Armada wins with Pit in Apex and he still somehow gets nerfed, I'm going to be pretty upset.
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Daftatt
"float like a puffball, sting like a knee"
Thought I was getting pretty good at ZSS... but damn, those L cancels from Oro are like butter
Fox has probably had discussion of nerfs way before M2K gave a **** about PM. That's the same line of ignorant thinking that assumed:
Sonic got nerfed because of Wizzrobe at one (or two) tournaments. Apex and Zenith are listed all the time.
Ike got nerfed because of Vro at one tourney
Lucario got nerfed because Leffen made one video and scared everyone
Ivy got nerfed because American's hate vegetables
M2K's complaint about Fox isn't very legit, when Fox is technically easier and arguably has been BETTER as a stand alone character in PM. You know a real nerf that might be worth complaining about? PAL version of Spacies. If the developers did that, specifically because of M2K, then maybe that comment of his would look valid.
Sonic got nerfed because of Wizzrobe at one (or two) tournaments. Apex and Zenith are listed all the time.
Ike got nerfed because of Vro at one tourney
Lucario got nerfed because Leffen made one video and scared everyone
Ivy got nerfed because American's hate vegetables
M2K's complaint about Fox isn't very legit, when Fox is technically easier and arguably has been BETTER as a stand alone character in PM. You know a real nerf that might be worth complaining about? PAL version of Spacies. If the developers did that, specifically because of M2K, then maybe that comment of his would look valid.
Daftatt
"float like a puffball, sting like a knee"
Pseudomaniac
Smash Journeyman
Razor Leaf was made to be a regular projectile instead of the godlike nigh unblockable wonder it was in 2.6. Plus a few other minor things.
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I'd like to think the world of Project M development revolved around me too. It's a novel concept, being so good at a video game that people want to nerf your character, but never in the history of forever has a character been nerfed because of the success of a single player. When a character is problematic enough to warrant changes, their abuse is found widespread, at several tournaments, by several players.
Fox was definitely not nerfed in 3.0, as the changelog illustrates if read. Saying the ceiling changes are actually a nerf to Fox is like saying the same if we made a few stages smaller (Fox no longer able to camp as hard on those stages). Dunno if Jason just doesn't realize this but there are only 41 matchups that Fox is in (one of which being the ditto); the blastzone changes affect 820 matchups. If we were planning on nerfing Fox's KO power, we'd just weaken his Up-Smash and/or U-air rather than doing changes that affect so many other matchups. Not to mention that the blastzone changes make his matchups with other Melee tops such as Falco, Sheik, Marth, Falcon, etc. closer to how they were in Melee, not further away. Last time I checked, Melee players typically don't have a problem with Melee.
Thinking like Jason does is not only blatantly wrong, it's childish, short-sighted, toxic, and incredibly frustrating for a game development group. Can't even make obviously positive changes to the game without dealing with this kind of nonsense. *sigh* Sometimes I swear we end up having to handle PR more than we actually work on the game...
Fox was definitely not nerfed in 3.0, as the changelog illustrates if read. Saying the ceiling changes are actually a nerf to Fox is like saying the same if we made a few stages smaller (Fox no longer able to camp as hard on those stages). Dunno if Jason just doesn't realize this but there are only 41 matchups that Fox is in (one of which being the ditto); the blastzone changes affect 820 matchups. If we were planning on nerfing Fox's KO power, we'd just weaken his Up-Smash and/or U-air rather than doing changes that affect so many other matchups. Not to mention that the blastzone changes make his matchups with other Melee tops such as Falco, Sheik, Marth, Falcon, etc. closer to how they were in Melee, not further away. Last time I checked, Melee players typically don't have a problem with Melee.
Thinking like Jason does is not only blatantly wrong, it's childish, short-sighted, toxic, and incredibly frustrating for a game development group. Can't even make obviously positive changes to the game without dealing with this kind of nonsense. *sigh* Sometimes I swear we end up having to handle PR more than we actually work on the game...
Sixth-Sense
Smash Ace
don't listen to M2k, i respect the **** out of him as a player but his opinions and what he says and how he thinks wellllll its very disappointing, sure i shouldn't be expecting something out of someone i don't know, but i always thought that since he's one of the first people to start "researching" Melee, not to mention how he's the one who made all of the weight charts and all of that stuff, i guess i expect him to be mature and very very very knowledgeable about smash in general and not spout out crazy **** like "nah shieks meh tier for me"
HyperrCrow
Emotional Reality
On another note to lighten up the mood, I just watched Anchorman 2, man was that movie hilarious.
Mono.
Stopmotion Love.
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ah don't worry kids. M2Kek, while a fantastic smasher, is just another player who's buttbamboozled over what he perceives as a character nerf or character change to his disatisfaction
like really this happens every new installment with many players some of which even included myself at times. so he'll just have to adapt or don't play.
too bad not many people are going to look at it this way due to whom he is and will take his word as holy score, effecting the potential player base of PM.
like really this happens every new installment with many players some of which even included myself at times. so he'll just have to adapt or don't play.
too bad not many people are going to look at it this way due to whom he is and will take his word as holy score, effecting the potential player base of PM.
Alfonzo Bagpipez
Smash Lord
That's refreshing to hear. I thought it would be a not funny, forced sequel.
Mr.Random
Smash Ace
Exactly. I feel the ceiling raises normalize a lot of stages. Some ceilings were way too low (cough Dracula's Castle).
pokes head out from my war zone shelter
a-am I safe? ok cool. hello swf (hereby referred to as "swiff") today was boxing day, I got some ps3 games, a proper-dang 1080p monitor, and also a very painful headache
I am satisfied. well, not with the headache, but everything else
a-am I safe? ok cool. hello swf (hereby referred to as "swiff") today was boxing day, I got some ps3 games, a proper-dang 1080p monitor, and also a very painful headache
I am satisfied. well, not with the headache, but everything else
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I got counterpicked there too kekeke.
get kage to hylian's area for at least one tournament, and place bets on the ratio of bairs hit on DK64:bairs hit on hylian IRL
I'm going to make someone very, very rich
I'm going to make someone very, very rich
Zef
Smash Ace
Shadic
Alakadoof?
Oracle had it legal before the ceiling increase/before 3.0. He took me there. We found out how early Fox killed :3
Kongo Jungle was Hyrule Castle tier.
Vashimus
Smash Master
So M2K thinks Link is top tier. :V
Hylian, did you 4 stock him or something? lol
Hylian, did you 4 stock him or something? lol
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batistabus
Smash Journeyman
InternetExplorer6 beat him a few times in a row on stream vs a number of characters.
Veishi336
Smash Journeyman
id love to see this stream
how he thinks of link is probably mostly b/c his main sparring partner in P:M right now is IE6 and he's a really good link
link's underrated, at least. like he's not MK-levels of scary but he's still pretty damn good
link's underrated, at least. like he's not MK-levels of scary but he's still pretty damn good
Oracle
Smash Master
link's new boomerang is really dumb if you shield it he just goes forest gump ping pong mode and keeps bouncing it off your shield BROKEN
also I just realized that the new charizard is salamence! took me way too long.
also I just realized that the new charizard is salamence! took me way too long.
turtletank
Smash Journeyman
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Sheik confirmed?
zman804
Smash Ace
Apparently there was a Christmas Tree Smashville uploaded to BrawlVault recently. Did anybody grab it before BV went down?
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Guest
i've played IE, he's just a really, really good player. link is fine as is.
Zef
Smash Ace
i do @yaza
can't quote on my **** phone
can't quote on my **** phone
TheLostSabre
Smash Cadet
There was talk all over about that in the stream yesterday.
Wonder what was that all about?
Bryonato
Green Hat
srsly. its confusing
batistabus
Smash Journeyman
It looks like the stream archives are gone now.
What's funny is IE thought Link was too good (something along those lines, maybe a few moves were too good) in 2.6. I'm not sure how he feels about him now.
