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[Saxophoneoftime]

I actually have some hella embarassing youtube vids, but I have to be convinced to share them

if I share them I'll basically be a joke forever (implying that I'm currently not one)

I'll share my embarrassing vids too if you share yours

 

[PMS | LEVEL 100 MAGIKARP]

A few pages ago there was someone talking about how "if shields were well designed, spacing shpuldn't be a necessity" and now people are saying thay combos create inherently bad gameplay? And people stating examples of combos immediately jump to marvel, ignoring the fact that marvel 2 had one of the most beloved/exciting combo/reset systems

no wonder why the pmdt never pays attention to anything on smashboards for balance changes

 

[PMS | Tink-er]

I don't see the circle jerk OR the "cult of hatred" or w/e lol
Basically I just said I don't like the way he argues (it's fairly ignorant of fact usually, and always trying to draw out a response without actually stating a position for counter-criticism), said that's why I have him on ignore
And said that I have an argument against his that I'm not going into detail this early in the morning/late in the night
But I do see you using just one example of a short discussion you had where he acted very out of character

My point is that if you all dislike arguing with Bleck, just agree to disagree. He wasn't acting out of character, I'm just the only person who unironically was okay with conceding the validity of a point of view I wholly disagree with. He doesn't pursue arguments, he states his opinion. There's a lot of things we all disagree with, and honestly I can't say I disagree with y'all's approach to things either, but I find my way much more agreeable.

There's nothing wrong with disliking the guy for his opinions, but the cult I see is of people disliking him for the way he defends his opinions when others question them. The way he expresses himself is often not harmonious, but I like to think that that's because he has a personality, and I find it endearing, if occasionally upsetting.

If you all dislike his opinions, then say so. More often than not though it seems like he wins your arguments, or at least infuriates y'all to the point of stalemate, so why not just accept or enquire into his opinions instead of knee-jerk attempting to disprove him.

Go about things however you like. I can't make anyone like anyone else, and I'm sure there's room to rebut what I've said, but I'm just suggesting that much of the tension you all feel towards him could be avoided by not outright dismissing his opinions, no matter how tactless they at first appear.

 

[eideeiit]

Isn't the point of an argument to try to convince the other person to take another look at and perhaps even change his opinion? When one "argues" but doesn't provide any arguments or won't change his mind no matter what it's not arguing at all. All you get is to know what the other person thinks as opposed to the new ways of looking at things that arguing gives you. Of course sometimes that is for the better, but when you're doing this stuff via the internet and about something that doesn't matter there's rarely a good reason not to argue as long as both sides abide to the rules.

"Let's agree to disagree" right off the bat is lazy and no one gains pretty much anything.

 

[MechWarriorNY]

"Let's agree to disagree" right off the bat is lazy and no one gains pretty much anything.

It's better to do that than to devolve into moaning and whining like you lot ALWAYS DO when you blockheads don't like what Bleck has to say.

 

[| Kailex |]

Arguements are dumb

Have some tsuyu

 

[MechWarriorNY]

@ | Kailex |

 

[Vashimus]

Isn't the point of an argument to try to convince the other person to take another look at and perhaps even change his opinion?

No. The point of an argument is to ask both sides to present valid reasons towards their conclusion, ideally strengthening their side by refuting the other's statements. The only people you'll persuade with your opinion are people who don't have an opinion on the matter in the first place.

 

[MechWarriorNY]

The point-

...Is gonna go over the heads of most here. Just watch.

 

[Saxophoneoftime]

...Is gonna go over the heads of most here. Just watch.

Yeah PMS why are we all so stupid

 

[PMS | Tink-er]

Just got a call saying I was fired. Lmaoooo

 

[Gamegenie222]

Sorry to divert away from the combos and interaction topic but I won a 1K scholarship for college so I'm happy right now. Otherwise I'mma leave these vids here.

and Hatebitpodcast E3 2015 damage report.

 

[Mansta]

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2015-06-17-next-proper-metroid-prime-would-likely-now-be-on-nx

The Wii U is the n64 of this era confirmed?

Edit: That means NX is the gamecube and we should all be excited for Melee HD and F-Zero. in 5 years ;_;

 

[Draco_The]

The Wii U is the n64 of this era confirmed?

Why?

 

[bec]

so pms look at the pixel work ive been doing recently. most of these are requests or commissions but theres some of my own stuff in there too
in other news im a huge furry apparently, idk i just like drawing critters

whatcha think

 

[CORY]

i think if you wanna be a furry, that's a-ok, but i'm still gonna **** talk because i'm a jerk : p

if you mean the art, i like it, it's all pretty cute : D the white outline on the deer in the foreground is a bit much, though. don't know if you can lighten it up, or just remove it and use a darker (lighter?) version of a brown to differentiate them?

 

[Mansta]

Why?

N64 was an entire era with no Metroid game but Samus was still in Smash.

 

[bec]

i think if you wanna be a furry, that's a-ok, but i'm still gonna **** talk because i'm a jerk : p

if you mean the art, i like it, it's all pretty cute : D the white outline on the deer in the foreground is a bit much, though. don't know if you can lighten it up, or just remove it and use a darker (lighter?) version of a brown to differentiate them?

i was thinking of doing that tbh, it was part of an art trade and the person really likes it but it has only been on light backgrounds before. i might fiddle with that this afternoon~

 

[CORY]

the disney style of outlining is to take the color that it's next to, and using a much darker shade of it. it makes for less jarring outlines and makes things look smoother. that's not always ideal, depending on the artist and what they're going for in that particular piece, but there are probably tutorials for that specifically, if you're interested.

 

[Draco_The]

N64 was an entire era with no Metroid game but Samus was still in Smash.

I... guess it's one way to look at it.

 

[Professor Gravy]

N64 was an entire era with no Metroid game but Samus was still in Smash.

dose that mean the new zelda is gona be this gens oot?

 

[robosteven]

I know that this is a page late, but I like @Bleck . His style of posting is entertaining to me, and I agree with a lot of his points in general.

I don't like insanely long guaranteed followups out of one or two hits (like in Marvel 3, Smash 64, or with characters like Dudley in Street Fighter), but landing at least like three or more hits based on reacting to DI or something correctly is fun. Also shield pressuring people is fun. I haven't really experienced this with Sm4sh, so I don't have much fun with the game.

That was more or less all I was saying.





also not being able to shield at any point during dash makes me sad

 

[Shadic]

so pms look at the pixel work ive been doing recently. most of these are requests or commissions but theres some of my own stuff in there too
in other news im a huge furry apparently, idk i just like drawing critters

whatcha think

Draw me like one of your french Doofs.

 

[Saito]

I enjoy a good combo myself here and there but I heavily enjoy follow ups that react to your opponents actions.

The reason I enjoy melee/Project M isn't because of those guaranteed combos, but the potential to do amazing things by predicting what your opponent will do and reacting to those choices.

This isn't nearly as prevalent in brawl to my knowledge but I've never played brawl competitively so I don't actually know.

For smash 4 though I do feel like I can be rewarded for predicting my opponent on specific actions; I think with just a few slight changes, it would really make those predictions shine while not really taking anything away from how smash 4 feels.

 

[mimgrim]

Welp. Marriage and children are confirmed to return in Fire Emblem Fates now.

 

[Lizalfos]

It's a game of spacing because shields and dodges aren't efficient enough to deal with the safest moves. You have to rely on being outside of the range of moves (spacing) because blocking/dodging them doesn't work.

Making it possible to actually block or dodge attacks is not intrinsically a bad thing.

I think you really underestimate the power of dash dancing as a defensive option. Marth is #3 for basically that reason plus disjoint, none of his moves are safe on shield.

 

[Comeback Kid]

Dash dancing is weaving in and out of your opponent's space, so that affirms what he was saying.

But Smash 4 contradicts the idea that safe shields and dodges are a great thing to have in the balance between offense and defense.

 

[VinceX]

I like this guy

 

[Gamegenie222]

Welp. Marriage and children are confirmed to return in Fire Emblem Fates now.

Not sure if like or not. Only good thing outta this is busted units and the fan art to come along with the doujins.

Bad news is waifu wars all over again, fan art and doujins.

 

[bec]

the disney style of outlining is to take the color that it's next to, and using a much darker shade of it. it makes for less jarring outlines and makes things look smoother. that's not always ideal, depending on the artist and what they're going for in that particular piece, but there are probably tutorials for that specifically, if you're interested.

thats pretty much what i do for the inner lines, but i like the black lines as a clear demarcation for the subject and the background of wherever its posted
the reason i did the white lines is to clearly differentiate between the two deer but like i said im gonna fiddle with it once i finish my other commissions today :3

 

[Saito]

Bad news is waifu wars all over again

That's the only bad part.

 

[Comeback Kid]

Marrying your siblings and cousins (by blood or adoption) is something I rather skip out on personally.

Also I made it to 2,222.

3,333 here I come.

 

[Grey Belnades]

Graduation photos have so many bells and whistles they want to sell you. I just want the photo and not twenty sets of wallet sized photos, fourteen framed shots, and greeting cards.

 

[Bazkip]

Just got a call saying I was fired. Lmaoooo

Divine retribution for attempting to defend bleck.

 

[Leafeon]

none of marth's moves are safe on shield.

....

 

[bec]

Draw me like one of your french Doofs.

 

[Saito]

Graduation photos have so many bells and whistles they want to sell you. I just want the photo and not twenty sets of wallet sized photos, fourteen framed shots, and greeting cards.

They're photos of you looking strong in all sizes.

You've got to buy them all.

 

[Draco_The]

 

[Lizalfos]

Dash dancing is weaving in and out of your opponent's space, so that affirms what he was saying.

But Smash 4 contradicts the idea that safe shields and dodges are a great thing to have in the balance between offense and defense.

He is acting like Shielding has to be this really amazing defense option when there are ways to defend more dynamically.
And if Fox is approaching aggressively, you are allowed to shield it, Nair is bigger than shine and now Fox's safest option is WD back to regain space and that can snowball into lots of space for the non spacie and if you play RPS correctly you start a combo on him.

....

Guessing dtilt but that is hardly comparable to spacies nair in range.

 

[Leafeon]

Guessing dtilt but that is hardly comparable to spacies nair in range.

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