Project M Social Thread Gold

[Warsaint777]

Man I need to get a damn wii for PM, ugh. The issues for me are that and having to upgrade my internet to what'll prob cost me like 70 doll hairs a month. I can't be doin that with what i make right meow.

 

[MechWarriorNY]

Then STFU, you think we wanna hear this? lol

 

[Warsaint777]

Then STFU, you think we wanna hear this? lol

lmao omg mw ure such a dik

edit: where the **** is everybody I'm lonely

 

[MechWarriorNY]

Not present.
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[Paquito]

Interesting. What exactly did they say?

Speaking in an investor Q&A following its financial report last week, Iwata explained that the platform holder has learned from mistakes made with the Wii.

While that console succeeded in attracting new customers with more casual titles such as Wii Sports, he admitted Nintendo had then struggled to convince core gamers to take the platform seriously, which negatively impacted the system's long term success.

"The Wii was able to reach a large number of new consumers who had never played games before by bringing hands-on experiences with its Wii Sports and Wii Fit," he explained.

"However, we could not adequately create the situation that such new consumers played games frequently or for long, consistent periods. As a result, we could not sustain a good level of profit.

"Moreover, regrettably, what we prioritised in order to reach out to the new audience was a bit too far from what we prioritised for those who play games as their hobby. Consequently, we presume some people felt that the Wii was not a game system for them or they were not willing to play with the Wii even though some compelling games had been released."

More here: Iwata: Wii U/3DS will cater to core gamers first, mass market second

 

[Comeback Kid]

Other than the main white guy being bland and the humor falling flat, what's wrong with Pacific Rim's story exactly?

The whole plot of finding a compatible pilot since they have to be connected by their memories was handled well. The Japanese girl's story was handled well. The aliens and their evil plan of sending monsters through the rift was handled as well as such an absurd Super Sentai plotline could be.

It's a movie that knows how ridiculous it is and doesn't want to be Evangelion with huge emotional baggage. Watch Rebuild or something if that is what you want.

 

[Saito]

Man.

Like 8 pages in one day.

Jesus.

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Thoughts on the matters at hand.

Some people say that a GC controller can only do so much for smash 4.

Bruh, I really feel like it will do a lot what with some of the advanced techniques that have been discovered already.

Thing is though that those take a lot of technical skill, not as much as project M things like lucas, falco, and other characters, but it takes enough to where it would ****ing destroy the circle pad.

Smash 4 is probably the game I'd end up practicing in the lab the most because those things aren't as easy to do as wavedashing or dashdancing but open up a lot of movement variety.

I could see that stuff becoming essential, but possibly not due to the different types of characters in the game.

I really enjoy smash 4 but I hate 3ds controls with a passion.

I can't express how much I hate them.

I'd be holding left to do a tilt but because of how sensitive they are so a lot of force isn't put on them, I could be holding Left and like 15 degrees upward or maybe even less and do a upwards tilt which ends up making me miss the attack I intended to do.

That could be the lack of technical control I have over the game but if it's worked for me across 3 different games then I'm inclined to say it's my lack of proficiency with the control scheme.

I don't want to git gud with that thing either because the better I get at the 3ds controls only increases the odds of the damn circle pad breaking.

Smash 4 rant turned into a 3ds johnning session lol.

 

[Jacob29]

Does Mechwarrior really have to post images with nearly every post?

 

[Saito]

Does Mechwarrior really have to post images with nearly every post?

Let me try my best Mechwarrior impression to answer that question.


AHEM.

 

[Jacob29]

Maybe I will just start responding to this thread with vocaroo's so you can truly understand the tone of my posts.

 

[Saito]

Maybe I will just start responding to this thread with vocaroo's so you can truly understand the tone of my posts.

Formatting via bold, underlines, and italics along with proper usage of quotation marks can express your satisfaction, or dissatisfaction with posts quite effectively.

 

[MechWarriorNY]

@ Comeback Kid
Stop posting for a while, you crybaby.

@ Jacob29 First off, I'm not stopping anything for a name on a screen. Stay mad.

Second off, go ahead with the recordings. Your butt-hurt will make people's days.

 

[Comeback Kid]

Think about this one for a while bro.

 

[Jacob29]

wow I guess I really do need to use vocaroo if you think I was angry.

 

[MechWarriorNY]

It doesn't matter, I answered your question with no.
/topic

So, really nice day out today.

 

[Jacob29]

rofl... this guy

 

[GP&B]

I came into this thread knowing it would be hostile. I certainly feel like I've been hung as a traitor and not a true fan. But what do I do? Go back to a game where I can't actually play against anyone else? I mean, I'm capable of it and I can hold my own when I DO play, but I almost never have the opportunity due to them being local-only.

... Seriously? I think people in here are taking bigger issue with your overtly pessimistic and down-trodden attitude rather than your game of choice. And hung as a traitor? You're talking to a demographic that's been insulted for playing a mod and despised by some for allegedly causing the death of Brawl (PM's only a catalyst, the BBR/community did far more harm to that game). I don't think anyone in here has had an issue with you playing Sm4sh. At the most, a good chunk of us are critical of it, but still feel it'll do fine in the long run. But hostile this is not, you're reaching for an already perceived conclusion. Relax, stop letting people's opinions influence you so much, and play the game you want.

Spoiler

But beyond this though, PM can be played online in two different fashions: private wifi on console or netplay through emulation. The latter is especially good if you have the computer for it.

 

[MechWarriorNY]

Yeah, basically that.
He's being a whiny little prick, and wasn't coddled.

So, cute things.

Log Horizon for AoTS.

 

[Hinichii.ez.™]

I hate the cold

 

[MechWarriorNY]

That's what doing this with other people is for.

 

[Jacob29]

I hate the cold

ya. and the boilers broke at my house. really fun.

 

[Bleck]

Take a wider-view than just how many copies of the game are sold.

no

The main reason brawl sold more than melee is because the Wii was so much more successful than the gamecube being one of the best selling consoles ever.

maybe the Wii sold so well 'cause it had a lot of good games

you know

like Brawl

I also hope you aren't implying that Brawl being more casual (disregarding the meaning of saying this) is what made it sold more.

no what I'm saying is that the large majority of people who bought Brawl aren't the type of people who ever think using the word "casual" to describe video games

like a lot of you guys seem to be implying that Brawl only succeeded 'cause hopeful Melee-fans bought it - and yet, despite the consistent naysaying of the Melee fanbase, Smash 4 has already sold half as well as Melee has in its entire lifetime in little over a month (over twice as well as Melee did in the same span of time)

again, I'm sure you'd all like to believe that the competitive Smash community is this millions strong group of people that's been purposefully ignored and it's a really big deal, but... it's not

Nintendo looks and sees this group of maybe a thousand or two people saying Brawl wasn't fun and that Smash 4 isn't fun and then sees millions of other people saying they love it and like honestly how are you people even surprised that they cater to the group that not only pays the bills but also doesn't make it their business to be unreasonable

 

[PillsBuryDopeBoy]

Does Mechwarrior really have to post images with nearly every post?

Mechwarrior is a legend over here. When we lost our original Liker/image poster 9kplus1, Mech stepped up and took over. Gotta respect the man.

I cant wait until we see the rest, this was too good.

 

[Jacob29]

Mechwarrior is a legend over here. When we lost our original Liker/image poster 9kplus1, Mech stepped up and took over. Gotta respect the man.

I cant wait until we see the rest, this was too good.

That qualifies for legend status now-a-days..?

 

[Saikyoshi]

... Seriously? I think people in here are taking bigger issue with your overtly pessimistic and down-trodden attitude rather than your game of choice. And hung as a traitor? You're talking to a demographic that's been insulted for playing a mod and despised by some for allegedly causing the death of Brawl (PM's only a catalyst, the BBR/community did far more harm to that game). I don't think anyone in here has had an issue with you playing Sm4sh. At the most, a good chunk of us are critical of it, but still feel it'll do fine in the long run. But hostile this is not, you're reaching for an already perceived conclusion. Relax, stop letting people's opinions influence you so much, and play the game you want.

Spoiler

But beyond this though, PM can be played online in two different fashions: private wifi on console or netplay through emulation. The latter is especially good if you have the computer for it.

You're right... That's exactly the problem. Sorry. I just always feel like everyone has their sights aimed at me and I strike preemptively. I've gotta stop doing that. It's also the same thing that's cost me quite a few matches...

Not letting people's opinions influence me is much easier said than done though. Like I said, I have pretty bad depression, so I try to avoid conflict... And I end up bringing it on myself in the end trying.

And I wish PM online worked for me, but my ISP has issues with Wiimmfi and I don't have a strong computer.

 

[MechWarriorNY]

No big deal!
As long as you behave, you're good, basically.

 

[GP&B]

maybe the Wii sold so well 'cause it had a lot of good games

you know

like Brawl

Uh no, there's a lot more to it. Might have to do with some sort of control thing, idunno maybe the Wiimote being an enormous pull for the system or something. There's a reason why the user base that appeared for the Wii all but disappeared for the Wii U (actually a lot of reasons but regardless).

And I'd argue that the Wii had a pretty terrible library overall. A couple of great gems here and there, but that's about it.

no what I'm saying is that the large majority of people who bought Brawl aren't the type of people who ever think using the word "casual" to describe video games

like a lot of you guys seem to be implying that Brawl only succeeded 'cause hopeful Melee-fans bought it - and yet, despite the consistent naysaying of the Melee fanbase, Smash 4 has already sold half as well as Melee has in its entire lifetime in little over a month (over twice as well as Melee did in the same span of time)

Again no, Melee was widely successful on both fronts. The game did amazingly well overall and now it was going to get exposed to an even bigger audience through Brawl. The success of Brawl comes from having a much larger install base to play the game on (I think you are hugely underselling this, especially seeing as how Brawl is only 9th in top sales on the console as it is) and that it was following Melee, a game that was highly praised and enjoyed by many for years; its sales should be of no surprise. The 3DS has a similarly strong player base and I expect it to reach or surpass Melee's lifetime sales eventually. I'm curious about the Wii U release though because that would solidify the point here. Popularity could help it outsell Melee, but the Wii U has a pretty abysmal user base. It's certainly not going to reach Brawl sales; Smash and Mario Kart do a lot for a system but you're not going to reach Wii sales. That's all there is to it. I just really hope you're not implying sales = better without taking any of the context around it in like you have been doing.

again, I'm sure you'd all like to believe that the competitive Smash community is this millions strong group of people that's been purposefully ignored and it's a really big deal, but... it's not

No one said that or even reasonably thinks that, not in this thread at least.

Nintendo looks and sees this group of maybe a thousand or two people saying Brawl wasn't fun and that Smash 4 isn't fun and then sees millions of other people saying they love it and like honestly how are you people even surprised that they cater to the group that not only pays the bills but also doesn't make it their business to be unreasonable

The point being made is that Melee did perfectly fine the way it was without going out of its way to cater to casuals. Melee ending up as the most popular and successful competitive Smash has zero bearing on its success as a game in general.

 

[Saikyoshi]

Uh no, there's a lot more to it. Might have to do with some sort of control thing, idunno maybe the Wiimote being an enormous pull for the system or something. There's a reason why the user base that appeared for the Wii all but disappeared for the Wii U (actually a lot of reasons but regardless).

And I'd argue that the Wii had a pretty terrible library overall. A couple of great gems here and there, but that's about it.


Again no, Melee was widely successful on both fronts. The game did amazingly well overall and now it was going to get exposed to an even bigger audience through Brawl. The success of Brawl comes from having a much larger install base to play the game on (I think you are hugely underselling this, especially seeing as how Brawl is only 9th in top sales on the console as it is) and that it was following Melee, a game that was highly praised and enjoyed by many for years; its sales should be of no surprise. The 3DS has a similarly strong player base and I expect it to reach or surpass Melee's lifetime sales eventually. I'm curious about the Wii U release though because that would solidify the point here. Popularity could help it outsell Melee, but the Wii U has a pretty abysmal user base. It's certainly not going to reach Brawl sales; Smash and Mario Kart do a lot for a system but you're not going to reach Wii sales. That's all there is to it. I just really hope you're not implying sales = better without taking any of the context around it in like you have been doing.


No one said that or even reasonably thinks that, not in this thread at least.


The point being made is that Melee did perfectly fine the way it was without going out of its way to cater to casuals. Melee ending up as the most popular and successful competitive Smash has zero bearing on its success as a game in general.

I never thought about the install base before. I completely forgot that the GameCube was a relative commercial failure.

 

[PlateProp]

I feel like that p:m movie would be more hilarious if they actually went out and had it dubbed over by the pmbr

Also because it would be funny to see TKB stop mid rant to get people to follow him

 

[Lizalfos]

P:M is great for non-competitive too. I just tell people that it has Mew2 and Ivysuar has a hyper beam, then they are sold. Catering to the majority is easy.

1. put in mega man
2. ship game

 

[Bleck]

And I'd argue that the Wii had a pretty terrible library overall. A couple of great gems here and there, but that's about it.

whatever you say bub

I think you are hugely underselling this

'cause it doesn't matter

I just really hope you're not implying sales = better without taking any of the context around it in like you have been doing.

it's not that I think Brawl was better 'cause it sold more, it's that Brawl sold more because it was better

The point being made is that Melee did perfectly fine the way it was without going out of its way to cater to casuals.

no man the point is that anyone who uses the word "casual" like you're doing right now doesn't matter

like, do you own a Wii U, honest question

 

[GP&B]

Being willfully ignorant of any sense of context makes having any informative discussion impossible. Wii sales have a huge part to do with Brawl's success, the game doesn't just pull that off without having something to work with.

So please stop being stupid.

 

[Lizalfos]

it's not that I think Brawl was better 'cause it sold more, it's that Brawl sold more because it was better

That means literally the same thing; why would you even waste your time typing that.

 

[Bleck]

Being willfully ignora

yeah whatever answer the question

That means literally the same thing

no it doesn't

 

[Lizalfos]

no it doesn't

Regardless of the order, you are correlating sales with quality. Changing where you put your claim in the statement makes little difference.

 

[arcticfox8]

Regardless of the order, you are correlating sales with quality. Changing where you put your claim in the statement makes little difference.

not that i agree with bleck
but it really does

 

[Saito]

Regardless of the order, you are correlating sales with quality. Changing where you put your claim in the statement makes little difference.

Bleck's right in this case though.

A game being good because it sold well and a game selling well because it's good are two different things.

A game being good because it sold well would be a game that many people actually didn't like but it was perceived to be good because of the sales.

A game selling well because it's good essentially means that the game got acclaim from being good usually by word of mouth or other such things and as a result, ended up selling well.

 

[Bleck]

Regardless of the order, you are correlating sales with quality. Changing where you put your claim in the statement makes little difference.

correlating, yes - but saying that Brawl sold better because it was better doesn't necessarily imply causation, whereas saying that Brawl was better because it sold better does

the former is a reasonable assumption to make, because despite the existence of notable exceptions in both capacities, good things do tend to sell well

the latter is unreasonable because of the exceptions, whereupon there are lots of bad things that sold really well and lots of good things that didn't sell well at all

 

[1FD]

At this point I'm not even certain that @ 1FD is human.

ur maybe the 5th to say that

I got my butt kicked in PM last night by 2 people who hadn't played in a year
Feels good tho
feels good

 

[Gamegenie222]