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[GP&B]

Lots of things.

I actually agree on some of this. I think a lot of the difference in popularity between Melee and Brawl has a lot to do with watchability and I personally enjoy Melee's punish game far more than Brawl's. Despite that, I still enjoy SF4's footsie heavy style and I think part of that plays into how positioning advantages feel very tangible compared to Brawl (even though it's still the case for the latter). Might be because the idea of being neutral heavy in a game where only ring outs allow the win just results in slow matches and I don't care for that.

I will say that 64's combos are hype just because it's still Smash so the creativity is still there, but I'm not particularly fond of long punish games. UMvC3 bores the hell out of me because it's like if 64 and Brawl had a traditional FG baby and then gave it crack. Punish game is predictable and tedious and the amount of walling out it stupid.

 

[Warsaint777]

I think that it was intentional, the creators wanted it this way. stop wavecheating

I had reason to beleive otherwise because I follow closely all of director Guillero Del Toro's (sp) projects. There's no excuse for him to've made PR so goofy and unsubstantial when he made PAN'S LABRYNTH and other great films with effects-driven imaginary premises.

 

[MechWarriorNY]

There's no excuse for him to've made PR so goofy and unsubstantial when he made PAN'S LABRYNTH and other great films with effects-driven imaginary premises.

Mofugga the whole thing was an homage to Toku and Kaiju stuff.
He didn't have or need an "excuse", he had justification for it.

*damn right I'm self-aware, bruh, snip*
whats a fuccboi?

...

 

[Warsaint777]

Mofugga the whole thing was an homage to Toku and Kaiju stuff.
He didn't have or need an "excuse", he had justification for it.
...

Man, fuggin. What's a buccahishi?

Anyway then the fault on his / the marketers' parts was the trailers being so epic if his goal was to make it something to not take seriously.

 

[Thor]

@ Thor

Brevity, my more-northern-originating-than-myself brethren.
Use it.

Lol

Brawl and Melee are both competitive but they test different things, most notable stringing attacks into damaging punishes vs converting combos, and as such I don't think people can say one is better or worse for competition (they have implicit values and enforce them as undeniable fact when they are not, leading to those statements). Airdoding is very much a component of that, and beating air dodges via good reads is also one way to show who is the better player - getting the string = you are outplaying them every step of the way - it negates some offensive advantage but being able to keep offensive pressure = you are outplaying them = better player. I didn't fully analyze both sides of CCing but while it makes some characters more flexible (Fox, Marth, Sheik, Falco, Peach), it hurts some a large amount and makes them very inflexible (Roy, Kirby, others I'm sure).

Better?

[In attempting brevity, I may have lost some of the content or nuance. But that's what I came up with.]

 

[MechWarriorNY]

Lol
*Different sorts of games, different people play and complain about each. with some overlap across the board.
Better?
[In attempting brevity, I may have lost some of the content or nuance. But that's what I came up with.]

Anyway then the fault on his / the marketers' parts was the trailers being so epic if his goal was to make it something to not take seriously.

Whoosh.

Don't talk to me about PR from now on if you're just going to complain.

 

[Soft Serve]

guys i bought a new waifu pillow and took a selfie with it, chekkit

Spoiler: me and my new waifu pillow

Where'd you get this, I want one


Also, what the ****KK and I supposed to do vs sanic
like I dont even know, getting ready for a tourney this week and trying to get a game plan going for who I might run into, but what the hell can I do
I know he beats diddy from playing nazo a bunch, and if I go wolf/fox I cant camp him and the gimps are 100% free

does sonic even have bad MU's? where is his weaknesses? like what is the whole cast supposed to do vs him. Dont say "stick out a hitbox, he loses to projectiles" because he's the fastest ****** in the game and can just bait out ANYTHING, clank /side-b through the projectiles of the characters I play, like wth. I'll probably just go Fox and try to adapt mid game or something

 

[Warsaint777]

Whoosh.

Don't talk to me about PR from now on if you're just going to complain.

**** you megatron you never listen to me!

Hey man, I mean I liked it when the robot punched the monster.

 

[GP&B]

Lol

Brawl and Melee are both competitive but they test different things, most notable stringing attacks into damaging punishes vs converting combos, and as such I don't think people can say one is better or worse for competition (they have implicit values and enforce them as undeniable fact when they are not, leading to those statements). Airdoding is very much a component of that, and beating air dodges via good reads is also one way to show who is the better player - getting the string = you are outplaying them every step of the way - it negates some offensive advantage but being able to keep offensive pressure = you are outplaying them = better player. I didn't fully analyze both sides of CCing but while it makes some characters more flexible (Fox, Marth, Sheik, Falco, Peach), it hurts some a large amount and makes them very inflexible (Roy, Kirby, others I'm sure).

Better?

[In attempting brevity, I may have lost some of the content or nuance. But that's what I came up with.]

I can understand that for sure. I'm just gonna make an outright admission and say that I despise what Brawl air dodge does to the game anyways. I think it's an infuriating component to the game given the whole idea of gaining an advantage on hit in fighting games. Regardless of the merits stated, it just feels horribly unsatisfying. I can acknowledge and appreciate that people made the most of that game, but it's really not my thing. I think that's just all it comes down to for me.

 

[Lizalfos]

Hey man, I mean I liked it when the robot punched the monster.

And the time the monster punched the robot

 

[SpiderMad]

don't get mad at anyone other than the specific people who staged this

I was angry too but I see it as a nice refresher that you can't believe everything, especially to the Reddit people.

M2K takes the signature challenge
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=256GP99HYLA
@PMS | Tink-er

 

[Yung Mei]

Where'd you get this, I want one


Also, what the ****KK and I supposed to do vs sanic
like I dont even know, getting ready for a tourney this week and trying to get a game plan going for who I might run into, but what the hell can I do
I know he beats diddy from playing nazo a bunch, and if I go wolf/fox I cant camp him and the gimps are 100% free

does sonic even have bad MU's? where is his weaknesses? like what is the whole cast supposed to do vs him. Dont say "stick out a hitbox, he loses to projectiles" because he's the fastest ****er in the game and can just bait out ANYTHING, clank /side-b through the projectiles of the characters I play, like wth. I'll probably just go Fox and try to adapt mid game or something

Kinokuniya

 

[| Kailex |]

The kinokuniya that we have only sells pricey as **** figures and bad manga

 

[Warsaint777]

And the time the monster punched the robot

How could I forget!

 

[MechWarriorNY]

But it wasn't. Do us all a favor and

 

[Warsaint777]

But it wasn't. Do us all a favor and

I mean i'm not being insincere I enjoyed the combat. But anyway we can stop.

So seriously this uh, swimming anime, for real question: Is it only for folks who are sexually attracted to boys?

 

[| Kailex |]

warsaint, why are you still here?

 

[Saikyoshi]

I came into this thread knowing it would be hostile. I certainly feel like I've been hung as a traitor and not a true fan. But what do I do? Go back to a game where I can't actually play against anyone else? I mean, I'm capable of it and I can hold my own when I DO play, but I almost never have the opportunity due to them being local-only.

Let's get things straight. I'm competent at Melee/P:M. I can L-cancel and wavedash consistently. But there are so many fundamental problems with the formula that either can't or won't be fixed. Like L-canceling, which adds zero strategic depth due to there never being a benefit to not doing it or any variations possible (unlike Wavedashing, which has plenty of options and mixups involved). And yet you claim it adds "skill"; it doesn't. All it adds is an extra button you have to tediously mash after every attack or the match is lost then and there. It's boring.

I'm sorry that my tastes are so painfully childish, but that's what I feel.

 

[| Kailex |]

get the **** out of here and play whatever you want, happy now?

 

[Saikyoshi]

I'm not and I won't. You can thank Drinkingfood for being the last straw.

EDIT: I remembered the wrong person. Sorry Thor.

 

[| Kailex |]

I dont know what youre talking about, but getting involved in any topic in this thread is bothersome, ill go back to watching chinese cartoons and lewd stuff

 

[Warsaint777]

warsaint, why are you still here?

K you remind me so much of like, gay friends I've had that reluctantly had a crush on me.

 

[Yung Mei]

everyone sucks except for me kailex is ok (pls take me back)

 

[| Kailex |]

I only needed you anyways meiling, end my frustration

 

[Warsaint777]

*continues eating turkey sandwich in office alone in the dark*

@ Saikyoshi Wow dude your mains across the board, mad respect yo

Did you ever attempt any serious melee tourneying with m2?

 

[Saikyoshi]

*continues eating turkey sandwich in office alone in the dark*

@ Saikyoshi Wow dude your mains across the board, mad respect yo

Did you ever attempt any serious melee tourneying with m2?

Due to various reasons, I'm completely unable to travel. which is part of the reason why I'm so willing to defend the only game that's not local-only.

 

[Warsaint777]

Due to various reasons, I'm completely unable to travel. which is part of the reason why I'm so willing to defend the only game that's not local-only.

What do you mean 'game'? PM and both Sm4sh titles are online.

 

[MechWarriorNY]

Well, keep this in mind, Saik.

If people point out undeniable flaws, you should have nothing but constructive debate as a response.
Don't be a stereotypical defense force please.

everyone sucks except for me kailex is ok (pls take me back)

 

[Saikyoshi]

What do you mean 'game'? PM and both Sm4sh titles are online.

Not P:M. At least not for me. Wiimfi doesn't work with my ISP.

Well, keep this in mind, Saik.

If people point out undeniable flaws, you should have nothing but constructive debate as a response.
Don't be a stereotypical defense force please.

The undeniable flaw being that I'm stupid and ignorant, apparently.At least according to our almighty authority Drinkingfood.

I wasn't the one who ended any pretenses of constructive debate here.

 

[Warsaint777]

teddy R was the **** dawg

 

[Lizalfos]

I came into this thread knowing it would be hostile. I certainly feel like I've been hung as a traitor and not a true fan. But what do I do? Go back to a game where I can't actually play against anyone else? I mean, I'm capable of it and I can hold my own when I DO play, but I almost never have the opportunity due to them being local-only.

Let's get things straight. I'm competent at Melee/P:M. I can L-cancel and wavedash consistently. But there are so many fundamental problems with the formula that either can't or won't be fixed. Like L-canceling, which adds zero strategic depth due to there never being a benefit to not doing it or any variations possible (unlike Wavedashing, which has plenty of options and mixups involved). And yet you claim it adds "skill"; it doesn't. All it adds is an extra button you have to tediously mash after every attack or the match is lost then and there. It's boring.

I'm sorry that my tastes are so painfully childish, but that's what I feel.

We had the, "is L-canceling pointless?" discussion like a month ago. I actually was one of the people who thought it wasn't a vital feature of the game. P:M players are probably most grounded when it comes to Melee/Brawl differences, because most good P:M players have background in both. P:M is also has more options than Melee or Brawl because it adds the new options from Brawl to a Melee environment. It would objectively be more technically demanding if it weren't for extra leniency on jump squats.

And while Drinking Food is harsh, he has that game knowledge, so you gotta respect it.

 

[Saikyoshi]

We had the, "is L-canceling pointless?" discussion like a month ago. I actually was one of the people who thought it wasn't a vital feature of the game. P:M players are probably most grounded when it comes to Melee/Brawl differences, because most good P:M players have background in both. P:M is also has more options than Melee or Brawl because it adds the new options from Brawl to a Melee environment. It would objectively be more technically demanding if it weren't for extra leniency on jump squats.

Right, sorry. Dug up a dead horse. But that's a sore point with me. I CAN do it consistently, but I don't LIKE to.

 

[Lizalfos]

S4 is definitely competitively viable, anything is if you try hard enough. I mean thats why the community is here today.

 

[Warsaint777]

I miss L-cancelling so bad. It's seriously all I miss about melee. Ugh. L cancelling a air-stomp of dorfs always felt so so good. AAAUUUUGH WHY DID IT GO AWAYYY AAAHH

 

[Saikyoshi]

I do honestly feel S4 has a balanced roster, though. Not once have I ever felt like a match, watched or played, was decided by character choice alone.

 

[MechWarriorNY]

But that's a sore point with me. I CAN do it consistently, but I don't LIKE to.

Tough, get over it, and stop whining instead of actually getting good at it.

This is not new advice. I shouldn't have to repeat it this as often as I do.

On a side note, "t itties" and "t its" are censored.
Political correctness is for soapboxers, not smashers, dafuq, we aren't children.

 

[Warsaint777]

S4 is definitely competitively viable, anything is if you try hard enough. I mean thats why the community is here today.

Sm4sh is going to be wonderfully competitively viable via the Wii U and a non-lagging HD tv. But as I continue to whine about, HD and net lag I think completely ruins the game so the 3ds version I think is not gonna cut it.

edit: I have a lingering fear that as the meta evolves a character will emerge to be a demonic MK equivalent that comquers the entire competitive machine of the game.

 

[MechWarriorNY]

People will dip before that.
Like so.

 

[Lizalfos]

I'm really only going to get the game for Wii U if the GC adapter works in P:M on Wii emulation mode.

Otherwise I'll just do 3DS for the funzies.

 

[Saikyoshi]

Tough, get over it, and stop whining instead of actually getting good at it.

This is not new advice. I shouldn't have to repeat it this as often as I do.

On a side note, "t itties" and "t its" are censored.
Political correctness is for soapboxers, not smashers, dafuq, we aren't children.

That's the thing, though; I've repeatedly pointed out that I am, in fact, good at it. But being good at it doesn't mean I enjoy it or think it has a point.