Prisoner's Dilemma Mafia- Fish

[BSL]

This doesn't relate seeing how my pressure on BSP was feigned yet I gave an actual reason behind it. You implied a policy on him.

I don't see the difference between policy and another reason. Also it was claimed not implied.

Yeah. That was weird I admit. He still didn't react though. Why are you still voting him? I don't think you've changed it yet.

Didn't bother putting in an unvote command. Didn't matter if I unvoted or not. I had nowhere better to put it, and he's not in danger of being lunched.

You were claiming RVS purposes which completely detracts the point of pressure in the first place when questioned. Badwolf has no reason to be concerned if you're claiming RVS. Why are you changing your story on me again? You told us up front in something I quoted that you were just playing it off as RVS.

By the time I claimed Said it was RVS, it had a lot of attention. You guys ruined it already.

I tried again by claiming I'd shoot him, but you already had a scumBoner for me and you jumped on it, so I said whatever and have up.

Really? I don't feel he did anything worth townreading on. Show me the instance and specifics of it.

His reaction (not getting jumpy or neevous) in general gave me a town read. No specific post.

No it's not. Why do you go back on what you said regarding this? It's RVS. It's not RVS. I was trying to pressure. RVS can equal pressure but I wouldn't be so bothered about this if you keep flopping on what you really wanted out of Badwolf.

This really grinds my gears. In this post you've attacked me for insisting it's RVS, and also for flip flopping on whether or not it was RVS. You said yourself, if I outright say its RVS, it's not pressure. Why is it scummy for me to claim it's not RVS? Pay attention, man.

Okay. You're going to claim this no matter what I throw at you so continue to joke around if you insist. Okay, but why is there a lack of substantiation on your part? Could you give it substance? I've put focus on plenty of other people and don't understand your need to call me out on something like this. I also don't understand your need to try and imply that I'm wrong still. I'm not the only person you need to convince.

I'm trying to get substance out, but currently the hot topic of the thread is discussion on what to do after I flip scum. I know I won't flip scum, so all I can do is ask you guys to stop and start thinking about other things. Once you guys are done talking about an impossible scenario, I can become more substantial. I'm doing my best in the meantime.

I'm not concerned with making you realize I'm town. It's only a means to my actual goal, which is to get town to not be deadended by my flip.

It wasn't a CaLlOuT (lol autocorrect capitalization). It was just a reminder. I don't care if you've done it or not. You need to keep doing it. Not just you. Everyone.

 

[th3kuzinator]

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[Overswarm]

hehehehehehehehhe fufufuufufufufu

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Yo Kuz, you readin?

 

[th3kuzinator]

indeed im in class tho so i cant really write anything consistant as i have to make it look like im paying attention!

 

[th3kuzinator]

but while im just chillaxin, os, you still havn't given me scumpicks! only commented on others who have commented on kingmaker and asked me to guess if july is mafia or sk!

info has to flow both ways ya dig? and i havnt seen you do anything yet!

 

[Overswarm]

I asked you a question, answer it.

 

[th3kuzinator]

asked you first!

 

[th3kuzinator]

@BW, Kevmo: can I get your read on OS please?

 

[th3kuzinator]

Unvote; btw ^_^

Gorf: What's your read on July?

KevMo: Do you think its more important to lynch based on indy or mafia (aka based on statistics) or, if one were to have a fair assessment of who both factions were, to lynch just scum based on who would be most dangerous to town?

Soup: I'm extending my hand to you. Will you take it?

 

[Overswarm]

asked you first!

I'm not exactly the type that cares. You're playing an indy game and you are my serial killer read, and I'm pursuing that read. So, answer my question on July.

 

[th3kuzinator]

nop e!

 

[th3kuzinator]

and if you were trying to gain some information about my alignment leaning towards indy by how i answered your question about july, you've already mucked up any type of genuine response by letting me know that i'm your indy pick.

sloppy scum play os, sloppy play

whoops

 

[Overswarm]

and if you were trying to gain some information about my alignment leaning towards indy by how i answered your question about july, you've already mucked up any type of genuine response by letting me know that i'm your indy pick.

sloppy scum play os, sloppy play

whoops

No, I haven't.

You also seem to have ignored my question after I answered yours so, mind answering mine now?

 

[th3kuzinator]

July would most certainly be mafia.

 

[th3kuzinator]

but, I mean, I already know who one of the mafia is and who the indy is. just trying to find the mate before i proceed

 

[Overswarm]

July would most certainly be mafia.

Please restate the question asked you, then answer in full.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

BSL, update your stances for more than null and we'll talk from there.

 

[#HBC | BadWolf]

I would expect Badwolf as BSL's partner to get on this eventually, but there's a weird town stance on him that I can't shake. Badwolf acts so indifferent towards BSL that it gives me weird vibes, and it's especially noticable with BSL and his first instance of voting Badwolf. I'd like to know more on his read of BSL.

I liked how he stuck to his guns. He wasn't going to back down very easily and I admired that about him. Don't worry my read is changing in this post.

Badwolf- Null, I remember a vague reads list but from my experience with Badwolf, the more he posts the easier it is to read him so just need more posting from him.

Um whut. I don't think I've ever played a game with you. Correct me if I'm wrong.

I dontthink you understand. I put an RVS vote on BW. It was actually a random choice from the 8 players on the list. I gave a reason of policy lynching. This was to make it seem real and get a reaction. Don't you do things for reaction all the time? Think back to HxH for example when you pressured BSP for no reason at the beginning of D1 (I know you were Indy, doesn't matter had sex).

When the opportunity presented itself, I added weight to the vote I had by claiming that I would kill BW. I thought it was necessary because he didn't react much to the votes you and I placed on him.

Once I got enough flak for the vote/vig thing, I gave up the gag. You guys needed reasons, BW wasn't reacting, and so there was no point in keeping up the ruse that I wanted him lynched. You guys ruined the "pressure", so it didn't matter if he knew anymore. It's really that simple. I don't know why you can't understand this.

I just wrote 3 unnecessary paragraphs about why I RVS'd BW. You're being so awkward about something simple, and that's what's truly bothering me. Except it isn't actually bothering me but w/e.




I guess joke was the wrong word then. I didn't so much mean a "joke" like "haha", rather I should've said "still not serious" or something.

I got a town read and I probably would've ended it soon after, had you guys not brought it up. Who knows.




The reason for my vote was to "pressure a random person" so it's still RVS.



I'm willing to help. I AM attempting to contribute and (aside from the RVS opener) trying to let my thoughts be known. I'm active. So that stuff still matches, IMO.

I'm jokey because it's what keeps me interested in the game. Go back and read my intro posts from HxH. I recall it being absolutely hilarious at some points. I also don't have a power role in this game, which may have a subconscious effect on me.

Zen asked for reads, so I gave them.

You've put a lot of focus on me, but no one else. I'm at L-2 at the moment, so could you spend a little bit of time finding scum? After I flip you're going to feel dumb for not having a back up plan.




OS: I think it's still Town vs. mafia/SK.

I have no preference to who we find first.

If all that's left is mafia, we have forever to find them.

The drawback is that we have nothing but discussion to read. No night kills to make connections with etc.

If we have only SK, it's essentially town vs. the last member of a mafia faction. That's not a bad position.

The drawback is that we don't have as much time.

Super backpedaling. I don't like it and you just took away everything that I did like about you. This post makes me want to see you hanging.

BSL - Null scum.
July - Null town.

Unvote

 

[Ramen King]

BW you never answered me as to why you had BSL as town. Answer that and tell me what about that post you quoted took away from what you had as town.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I don't think you understand what Backpedaling means.

 

[#HBC | BadWolf]

Last post I said that I liked him because of him not backing down from his pressure on me. I didn't like that he backpedaled so hard in the last post. If he had kept on his guns and hadn't said sorry for what he had been doing I would have kept my town read of him.

 

[#HBC | BadWolf]

EBWOP: in *his last post

 

[Ramen King]

But he had started back pedaling from the very beginning. As soon as Soup or someone asked him why he was targeting you, he said it was just a joke, etc. So show me what you mean by how he stuck to his guns and how his last post differentiates from his previous backpedals.

Also why is sticking to a scum read on you with no evidence, townie?

 

[Overswarm]

soup did you just catch both mafia members

 

[#HBC | BadWolf]

He had said that it was an RVS. I was alright with that as long as he wasn't going to start reaching. I'm perfectly fine with RVS.

 

[KevinM]

@BW, Kevmo: can I get your read on OS please?

OS playing only mechanics my read on him is town :D

Unvote; btw ^_^

Gorf: What's your read on July?

KevMo: Do you think its more important to lynch based on indy or mafia (aka based on statistics) or, if one were to have a fair assessment of who both factions were, to lynch just scum based on who would be most dangerous to town?

Soup: I'm extending my hand to you. Will you take it?

I don't know if I'm reading this correctly so feel free to ask again, but are you saying if I knew openly who was mafia and who was Indy then who would I lynch?

I'd be fine with lynching SK in that situation, the more Days I have the longer I have to weed out a mafia mate if I'm unsure. I think unless I was EXTREMELY worried of a scummer having a lot of thread power I'd be gunning for indy.

 

[Ramen King]

So how was he backpedaling in his last post? You just quoted the entire post. Show me specifically how he back pedaled.

 

[Ramen King]

No offense but you guys are pretty stupid in terms of who we should be lynching. We don't need a bunch of days to continue no lynching. The tighter the game gets, the more scum become apparent. Mafia has a much stronger chance of winning because of their numbers. Yes, we can lynch either, but the point here is that SK is not priority.

With relation to this: July just wtf? BSL is your mega strong scum read, but you're not voting him because you think he is MAFIA? Oh my marshies. Cmon now don't be scum gurl.

 

[#HBC | BadWolf]

I dontthink you understand. I put an RVS vote on BW. It was actually a random choice from the 8 players on the list. I gave a reason of policy lynching. This was to make it seem real and get a reaction. Don't you do things for reaction all the time? Think back to HxH for example when you pressured BSP for no reason at the beginning of D1 (I know you were Indy, doesn't matter had sex).

When the opportunity presented itself, I added weight to the vote I had by claiming that I would kill BW. I thought it was necessary because he didn't react much to the votes you and I placed on him.

Once I got enough flak for the vote/vig thing, I gave up the gag. You guys needed reasons, BW wasn't reacting, and so there was no point in keeping up the ruse that I wanted him lynched. You guys ruined the "pressure", so it didn't matter if he knew anymore. It's really that simple. I don't know why you can't understand this.

I just wrote 3 unnecessary paragraphs about why I RVS'd BW. You're being so awkward about something simple, and that's what's truly bothering me. Except it isn't actually bothering me but w/e.




I guess joke was the wrong word then. I didn't so much mean a "joke" like "haha", rather I should've said "still not serious" or something.

I got a town read and I probably would've ended it soon after, had you guys not brought it up. Who knows.




The reason for my vote was to "pressure a random person" so it's still RVS.



I'm willing to help. I AM attempting to contribute and (aside from the RVS opener) trying to let my thoughts be known. I'm active. So that stuff still matches, IMO.

I'm jokey because it's what keeps me interested in the game. Go back and read my intro posts from HxH. I recall it being absolutely hilarious at some points. I also don't have a power role in this game, which may have a subconscious effect on me.

Zen asked for reads, so I gave them.

You've put a lot of focus on me, but no one else. I'm at L-2 at the moment, so could you spend a little bit of time finding scum? After I flip you're going to feel dumb for not having a back up plan.




OS: I think it's still Town vs. mafia/SK.

I have no preference to who we find first.

If all that's left is mafia, we have forever to find them.

The drawback is that we have nothing but discussion to read. No night kills to make connections with etc.

If we have only SK, it's essentially town vs. the last member of a mafia faction. That's not a bad position.

The drawback is that we don't have as much time.

Bolded I don't like. Bolded + underlined I really don't like. I can explain further later, physics first.

inkiepie:

 

[Ramen King]

Lets get this over with.

Vote: BadWolf

I actually like this vote more than you know. Badwolf has already been riled up enough for me not to care for this progress any further. BSL, were you serious in your voting on Badwolf or do you have an ulterior motive behind it?

Nah, I was just trying to do something in RVS. It's the first time I've been in RVS since I stopped playing, and I wanted to see if I could push some of BW's buttons and get a reaction. I liked his response.

Backpedal #1

Badwolf how is this not backpedaling by your definition? He gives up on your push as soon as Soup asks him if he was serious.

**** guys, ignore that scumslip.


I know I'm town, too, I just didn't consider myself a choice. Still Soup even though I am selectable. If I had a gun, I'd shoot BW.

BSL, a couple of pages ago you were cliaming that you were joking about Badwolf. Now you would shoot him? I don't recall you ever changing your stance into a serious one, even from skimming.

Also unvote

Still joking.

I'm attempting to pressure BW. I picked him randomly from a list (using a series of coinflips), and I am trying to bait him into thinking I'm serious.

RVS stuff.

Backpedal # 2

Again same thing here. Badwolf you had a town read on BSL at this point. Your reasoning is that he stuck strong to his guns which clearly he hadn't. Please elaborate.

 

[Ramen King]

BSL you're clearly in contradiction here:

When the opportunity presented itself, I added weight to the vote I had by claiming that I would kill BW. I thought it was necessary because he didn't react much to the votes you and I placed on him.

You claim that your pressure on him was one continuous thing. But that is not the case. You had already revealed that you were just pushing Badwolf for RVS biz after Soup asked you about it. And you even claimed that you LIKED the reaction you got from it:

Nah, I was just trying to do something in RVS. It's the first time I've been in RVS since I stopped playing, and I wanted to see if I could push some of BW's buttons and get a reaction. I liked his response.

1. "I liked his response."
2. "I felt it necessary to do this because I didn't get a reaction earlier."

You see the contradiction?

 

[#HBC | BadWolf]

He didn't unvote until recently however.

 

[BSL]

Not really, but I don't really care about anything in this game until you stop talking about me like I'm scum.

Lynch me if you want. I'll start participating when you guys talk about what to do after I flip town.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

This is third time you've said to ask us to lynch you along with defend your town status.

I'm ready for this day to be over.

 

[#HBC | BadWolf]

Not really, but I don't really care about anything in this game until you stop talking about me like I'm scum.

Lynch me if you want. I'll start participating when you guys talk about what to do after I flip town.

Instead of throwing this soft claim out all the time why don't you actually you know... Do something?

 

[Ramen King]

Not really, but I don't really care about anything in this game until you stop talking about me like I'm scum.

Lynch me if you want. I'll start participating when you guys talk about what to do after I flip town.

You see the thing is though, I'm not treating you like scum. I've put you as probably town. I simply want you to be held accountable for your actions. Explain to me how that is not contradicting.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

How is BSL even close to town right now

 

[July]

Actually, i'll pass on that gotcha.

Do you think putting a vote on Gorf would bring him out and get him posting?

Yes I do. If it doesn't, then that's telling too, so either way I gain information.

Most Kingmaker setups start like this, but the gameplay is typically reverted to a more "standard" play with experienced players. The only difference is instead of convincing town of one scum, you're convincing town of one town and that one town of one mafia. You get slightly different data than you normally would and actually a little bit more; it makes it really easy to catch sloppy scum.

Fair enough, since I've never actually seen how a game of Kingmaker has played out it's hard for me to truly imagine it without worrying about how it would affect things I'm used to, like scumhunting and wagons and such.

Um whut. I don't think I've ever played a game with you. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Weren't you in Gheb's G3S/Great Famine game...I'm like 90% sure I've played a game with you even if it wasn't that one because I remember getting a really quick read on you as newb town.

No offense but you guys are pretty stupid in terms of who we should be lynching. We don't need a bunch of days to continue no lynching. The tighter the game gets, the more scum become apparent. Mafia has a much stronger chance of winning because of their numbers. Yes, we can lynch either, but the point here is that SK is not priority.

With relation to this: July just wtf? BSL is your mega strong scum read, but you're not voting him because you think he is MAFIA? Oh my marshies. Cmon now don't be scum gurl.

Zen, you weren't in Liar Game, but that's the reason I understand where OS is coming from in wanting to find sk over mafia; that concept was freaking crucial in that game. Once the sk is dead, everything is decided by lynches, scumhunting, and Day play which I have a lot of faith in considering the players in this town. If I think that a scummy player is playing more like mafia than indy or vice versa, I'm going to state that because it is important.

Also, it's two days into the game and I'm pretty sure that my vote can go wherever I want for whatever purposes I see fit. The person who my vote is on right now doesn't have to be my strongest scum read nor the person I want lynched toDay, it can be the person who I most want to gain information from, you know that Zen -_-

 

[#HBC | BadWolf]

Weren't you in Gheb's G3S/Great Famine game...I'm like 90% sure I've played a game with you even if it wasn't that one because I remember getting a really quick read on you as newb town.

Ah yes. I remember now. The bleach and drill didn't take all the memory away unfortunately. I played like **** that game.

 

[Ramen King]

Also, it's two days into the game and I'm pretty sure that my vote can go wherever I want for whatever purposes I see fit. The person who my vote is on right now doesn't have to be my strongest scum read nor the person I want lynched toDay, it can be the person who I most want to gain information from, you know that Zen -_-

Yes but that is not your reasoning. Your reasoning is that you don't want to lynch mafia. Which is silly. I Hosted liar game so I am aware. I have also seen the setup rand two other times by Vanderzant. We just need to lynch scum. It doesn't matter which because we're going to lynch scum every day.