Prisoner's Dilemma Mafia- Fish

[#HBC | ѕoup]

That being said, give me a read on Zen while we're here chatting away.

This.

Also, I gave it substantiation because you asked to. I condensed my feelings behind BSLScum into a nice format of a mini-case. I don't feel regret doing it either as BSL will give me something out of it anyways.

 

[Overswarm]

OS who do you make king today?

Soup, probably. He's one of the players that the SK would more than likely kill.

Given this current game stance, me you and zen are immune until one of us gets lynched by the other two; more than likely me or zen by a combination of the other two. The SKs goal is to just not get lynched so he's either going to be in the background or do his best to be a progressive townie and push the lynch away from him. Any people left alive that are openly for lynching other people that aren't the SK are going to be more likely ignored as night kill options because it makes the day easier for the SK.

's not to increase our chances of randomly lynching scum. It's to get rid of scum as soon as possible lmao. We DO want SK to hit scum the first night. I know you are smarter than this lol wtf? And show me these so called accuracy stats xD. o god

You are the dumbest mother****er.

"Hey guys, this OS character is stupid right? He wants to give us the best chance of hitting scum over the course of the game why don't we just lynch the SK day 1 lol"

Seriously?

Nah I just didn't mention it then . Kevin aint even readin.

I'm well aware, I was just pointing out that you're playing dumb.

What? No! We can't do this. It's a very bad play. Like the math that OS himself put forward: we have a 40% chance that we will hit scum with this. I'm not willing to accidentally put the killing command in the hands of someone who doesn't have the same intention as town.

Mafia and town have the same intention as town. Literally one person in this game doesn't want the SK lynched, and that's the SK.

Kuz: I'm putting OS as scum a long with Kevin strictly for playing anti-town. OS' propositions are so anti-town. I'm usually able to see his logic, but there is no logic here. None of what he has proposed increases towns chance of winning. He is trying to get town to increase scums chance of winning by painting it as "increasing scums chance of winning increases towns chance of winning" which is just lolworthy. Kevin has so far done absolutely nothing but make weak posts with regards to myself and buddy scum. I feel he is trying to chainsaw for OS.

I'll put it as simply as I can:

Lynching mafia Day 1 decreases towns chance of winning.

Let that sink in. Go back and run the numbers if you want.

We can pretend that we're going to catch the Serial Killer by some random scum slip, but odds are pretty slim that anyone here would bet $100 on the identity before lylo. We need to hunt the SK, but we need to play the long game here. Masturbating to yourself about how cool it'd be to lynch mafia is winning the battle but losing the war. This is not a standard game.

Think about it. If we lynch mafia D1 and then get to what would be lylo and manage to get the SK, we're in the same position as before. The game is literally on standstill until the Serial Killer is dead and we need to kill the SK as fast as possible. The SK killing mafia would be helpful in the later game but it's more helpful in actually finding the SK in that we get another phase. Look at the numbers, the only way we get an extra phase is if the SK hits bulletproof mafia.

 

[th3kuzinator]

i asked you to? i only recall asking what your read was, not asking you to clarify the read. show mee

can i humbly ask to get back to you on my zen read when i figure something out first

 

[Overswarm]

Read the last little bit @KevinM:

Soup/kuz/BSL seem to have a similar triangle to me/you/zen

I haven't heard from July enough to form an opinion, badwolf isn't getting killed by the SK anytime soon for obvious reasons, which leaves Gorf.

So I'd make Gorf King given the new circumstances.


With that in mind:


Gorf, assuming you were killed by the SK tonight and knew this was to be the case and wanted to direct town's lynch, who would you suggest as the best lynch target for Day one and why?

 

[th3kuzinator]

this is what im talking about!

os stop talking about kingmaker and give me scumpicks!

 

[Ramen King]

Can we lynch now?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Not until Kuz responds to giving a read on you

actually do the same, then tell me what you think on the subject of BSL's partner

 

[th3kuzinator]

@mod: howlong is twilight?

 

[Ramen King]

I dunno. BSL is the only real scum read I have. I just don't like Kevin & OS because they are problematic. I'd roll the dice on OS scum though.

 

[th3kuzinator]

kudos on being better regardless of your alignment soup

 

[th3kuzinator]

lets not lynch until july starting postingg

 

[Ramen King]

Gorf how do you have me as being scum based on whether or not BSL flips scum, yet have me as indy upon the flip?

Why do we all have BSL as mafia and not indy?

 

[BSL]

You've also changed your stance on BW about three times now, one starting off as policy, the second starting off as a joke, and the third, the holy revelation: You were only baiting him into thinking you were serious. Starting off as policy isn't serious and you were claiming RVS just a moment ago. I don't know what your deal is this game but you just happened to contradict yourself four times in one instance. Please show me what town wouldn't be sure of his own intention to push something or lie about them. Then tell me your partner.

I actually haven't changed my stance a single time.

I put an RVS vote on him. I said I was joking when I claimed to shoot him (which is true) because it wasn't my actual plan if I had a gun. My plan was to pressure him. Think of it like a superRVS vote. My "third reasoning" was when I said I was trying to bait him into thinking I was serious. AKA making my RVS vote seem not RVS, therefore getting a reaction.

I thought that was the whole point of an RVS vote. I guess I need to go back and learn what RVS is for again...

 

[BSL]

Think about it. If we lynch mafia D1 and then get to what would be lylo and manage to get the SK, we're in the same position as before. The game is literally on standstill until the Serial Killer is dead and we need to kill the SK as fast as possible. The SK killing mafia would be helpful in the later game but it's more helpful in actually finding the SK in that we get another phase. Look at the numbers, the only way we get an extra phase is if the SK hits bulletproof mafia.

Why would we need an extra day? If SK hits a bulletproof mafia, then nothing has changed, so we'd need the extra day. If SK hits a non-bulletproof mafia, we'd be one scum member less than before. That extra day to lynch scum is then unnecessary.

 

[BSL]

Zen's only scumread is me. That's no good, IMO. I'm not scum. Straight up.

Soup pointed out a quote of mine and said "I've never seen BSL do this".

I find it quite hilarious, actually. I've never been up for lynch earlygame since I came back. I've been in two games. One I was town that endgamed (also, I wasn't a part of the game until after RVS). The other I was scum and straight up skipped D1.

 

[BSL]

My meta for soup, by the way, is that as an antitown role, he likes to post and post and post and post and post in earlygame. He hasn't been doing that, so I've got him as town. He thinks he's got me, which is OK. I'll admit, my play is pretty scummy. I apologize in advance of my flip for that.

Could you all just take a moment and discuss for just 2 or 3 pages what you'd do if I was lynched and flipped town? It won't take too much time, and then we wouldn't be completely and totally back to square one when D2 starts.

 

[Ramen King]

Yeah im good with you for now son.

Unvote

Btw if scum shoots non-bulletproof townie, then we lose both mafia regardless of the other factors. Either they are both killed or one exits the game.

 

[BSL]

you mean mafia, not townie?

 

[Ramen King]

Vote: KevinM

Vote: Overswarm

Vote: Gorf

Town:
Zen
Kuz
BW
Soup

Probably Town:
BSL

Anit-town:
KevMo
Overswarm
Gorf

Infoless:
July

 

[Ramen King]

you mean mafia, not townie?

Yeah that one.

 

[Ramen King]

BSL current read on Badwolf? Current reads on the rest of the cast?

 

[BSL]

1. soup Town.
2. Overswarm Needs to do stuff that isn't numbers Null.
3. KevinM Needs to do stuff NullScum.
4. th3kuzinator Not scummy, not sure how he plays though. Null.
5. Ramen King I'm predisposed to not believe anything you say. Null.
6. BadWolf28738 Town
7. Gorf Needs to do stuff. NullScum.
8. July Uhh
9. BSL Town (me c

 

[July]

how are you july?

I'm aiight, feeling...wall-y.

Haha it's just an entrance post. I would like you to answer my questions though? Especially why the town role is lame? You just claimed in your post after this that you're happy with being town, so I don't understand your pregame post.

BW
BSL
July

How long have each of you worked as a guard?

Ever since the 1990s...good times, good times.

July: I still can't read you :D

This usually means you just try and lynch me -_-

also the nature of this game allows full reads list and expressing town reads to be beneficial and protown so id appreciate it if everyone keeps their reads pretty open and updated frequently

What about the nature of this game makes full read lists and expressing town reads more beneficial/protown than usual?

OS' first post literally gives advice to scum, but he'd probably do that as any alignment.

This game should be a Kingmaker setup

We don't vote for people anymore, but rather decide who we should allow to decide who we lynch with impunity. That means they lynch someone and we allow them.


Why Kingmaker?

Because it flips the odds in town's favor.

If we arbitrarily choose someone to be kingmaker, there is a 66% chance they are town. This also leaves a very obvious, open trail as to who was going for who AND reduces SK's influence as to who should be lynched. The odds of picking the SK for King are 1/9 and the SK isn't going to be able to worm people towards others or away from himself in this situation. He's just gotta go with the flow.

Now there are 8 possibilities for being lynched on D1, giving us the worst odds we will ever get for catching the SK... and it's 5/8 if we hit a townie with the king.

But what if we make mafia king?

We have a 1/4 chance of making mafia king. This will mean that of the 8 players only SEVEN will be up for a lynch. King won't lynch himself, King won't lynch his mafia partner.

6/7 chance of hitting town but 0% chance of hitting mafia and 1/7 chance of hitting SK.

If we get town, we have a 5/8 chance of hitting town (lower), 2/8 chance of hitting mafia (higher), and a 1/8 chance of hitting SK (lower).

The moment the SK dies, kingmaker no longer makes sense, but until then the odds only get better for a kingmaker approach.


Thoughts?

I've never played kingmaker style mafia, but it seems like it basically places the onus of the lynch on one person and allows for everyone else's opinions to either 1) not exist, 2) be disingenuous. For example, if you have a scum read on the person who is currently kingmaker, there's a good chance you'll be less vocal so they don't lynch you for for your read on them, I'm sure there are other ways not having an active part in the lynch would also promote people being disingenuous, and 3) even people who are open about their reads are likely to be less vocal because they know that they have less power than someone else and that's usually not a good feeling, especially when you may doubt that person, either thinking they or scum or doubting their decision-making/scumhunting in general.

So I understand that Kingmaker might seem better from a mathematical point of view, but I think it would have an impact on play which would be detrimental and make scumhunting harder, which is important no matter what.

Can we wait until I get some reads first? Once I decide who I think is mafia/SK, then you can lynch me and use my reads.

This is very fatalist, and it comes across as very intentionally so...it throws up a red flag for me because I've seen this done by scum (and done it myself in a "If my lynch is for the good, then I understand" kind of way) to show how they totally aren't focused on survival even though obviously are.

**** guys, ignore that scumslip.


I know I'm town, too, I just didn't consider myself a choice. Still Soup even though I am selectable. If I had a gun, I'd shoot BW.

I'm attempting to pressure BW. I picked him randomly from a list (using a series of coinflips), and I am trying to bait him into thinking I'm serious.

RVS stuff.

Stating that what you did just a few posts prior to this one was simply for pressure and saying that you are (actively) trying to bait him into thinking you are serious defeats your purpose, he now knows quite well what you are doing so his reaction to you is null.

@Mod Is july in prod range yet?

July? Hello paging July sup witchu July?

What's your thoughts on

Kingmaker

Zen

OS

How good I look in flannels

IN THAT ORDER

I feel so loved, everyone waiting to hear from me and all.

Already talked about the Kingmaker idea, the gist of it is I'm not a fan.

Zen is null town for me right now, I'd actually like to see a read list from him , but I liked his early interactions with OS where he said talked about looking at intention behind posts.

OS is null, most of his posts have been either analysis/mechanics or responding to criticisms of his posts.

Is flannel the same as plaid? Because I like plaid if that's what we are talking about.

If kuz is indy this game is ****ed.

Don't even say that, freaking angst from scumKuz too many times, not again.

Reads:

Soup- Leaning town. He's been active, scumhunting, not playing the cautious game I think he would as scum.
Kuz- Leaning town. Always cautious with my read on this one but his current playstyle has been open; I feel like with the exception of Badwolf who actually posted a reads list, I have a better idea of his reads than anyone else because he's been pretty active in discussion.
Zen- Null Town. I like some of the points he's made this game and his early interactions with OS, but I'd like to hear more about his reads/get a read list from him.
OS- Null, so much analysis and mechanics, really limited interactions so far and most of them are just reactions to comments/critiques of his game plan so far.
KevinM- Null, he's been mostly interacting and agreeing with OS on mechanics stuff.
Badwolf- Null, I remember a vague reads list but from my experience with Badwolf, the more he posts the easier it is to read him so just need more posting from him.
Gorf- Null scum, has 27 posts apparently and all I remember is the big (as in font size) post about Soup and BSL, which actually I forgot but I wanted to comment on. He says "Soup thinks BSL is scum and is scumhunting", which I read as Soup thinks BSL is scum and thinks BSL is scumhunting, and that's the point he's trying to get across? Isn't that a null point because everyone in the game is scumhunting including scum for sk and sk for scum...So what stands out is his BSL-Soup connection which seems weak to me, other than that he seems like he's been pretty background this game.
BSL- The fatalist statement I pointed out earlier really seems like a scum move to me, and his responses about pressuring badwolf seem like he was covering his butt once people started questioning his intent. My strongest scumread so far, but I have to admit he's not striking me as indy, so FoS but my vote won't be going here.

Vote: Gorf

 

[Ramen King]

What's that July? Bro fist?

Yes...yes indeed

Spoiler

 

[BSL]

Stating that what you did just a few posts prior to this one was simply for pressure and saying that you are (actively) trying to bait him into thinking you are serious defeats your purpose, he now knows quite well what you are doing so his reaction to you is null.

Would you rather me lie? I know it defeated the purpose, but since the rest of town made a big deal out of it, it was defeated anyway.



Why is your vote on Gorf and not me?

 

[Ramen King]

Ramen King I'm predisposed to not believe anything you say.

Dude I was indy -_-. AND right that Ryker was scum.

 

[BSL]

I'm just saying, bro.

 

[July]

Would you rather me lie? I know it defeated the purpose, but since the rest of town made a big deal out of it, it was defeated anyway.



Why is your vote on Gorf and not me?

I don't remember town making a big deal about, between the two posts I quoted the only person who commented was Soup, and you seemed to give up your pressure on Badwolf as soon as he voted you, which didn't seem like a big deal or reason to drop your suspicions/pressure so suddenly.

Because right now I feel like you are more likely to be mafia than sk, and I think that unlike you Gorf not only has a better chance of being sk, but he's also been flying under the radar a bit.

 

[July]

Also Zen, I didn't see your most recent post, so you can ignore my request for the reads list.

 

[BSL]

I don't remember town making a big deal about, between the two posts I quoted the only person who commented was Soup, and you seemed to give up your pressure on Badwolf as soon as he voted you, which didn't seem like a big deal or reason to drop your suspicions/pressure so suddenly.

not between those two posts. most of the town had brought up my RVS shenanigans on BW, which at the point of soup's post, I decided to drop it.

Because right now I feel like you are more likely to be mafia than sk, and I think that unlike you Gorf not only has a better chance of being sk, but he's also been flying under the radar a bit.

gotcha.

 

[BSL]

Actually, i'll pass on that gotcha.

Do you think putting a vote on Gorf would bring him out and get him posting?


@mod: Requesting votecount

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

Sorry about the delay, power was out all afternoon.

Also, someone mentioned Red?

Votecount:
soup [0]:
Overswarm [0]:
KevinM [0]:
th3kuzinator [0]:
Ramen King [2]: Badwolf, Kevin
BadWolf28738 [1]:BSL
Gorf [2]: Zen, July
July [0]:
BSL [3]: Kuz, Gorf, Soup

Not voting: OS, Kevin

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch!

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I actually haven't changed my stance a single time.

You've stuck to your original stance of RVS but you have altered your reasoning behind it. The first you were trying to imply policy on Badwolf and then it altered greatly in that course of time. I don't understand how you're trying to hard pressure someone when you're trying to claim their lynch as policy, and on top of this, claim your vote is RVS. It completely detracts from what you were getting at with the pressure if you're letting Badwolf know that you were just joking about it. Tell me, why did you care if people knew if your vote was RVS or not? You previously stated a policy and that was the least what we got out of it. You're being so awkward abotu something simple, and that's what truly bothers me.

I put an RVS vote on him. I said I was joking when I claimed to shoot him (which is true) because it wasn't my actual plan if I had a gun. My plan was to pressure him. Think of it like a superRVS vote. My "third reasoning" was when I said I was trying to bait him into thinking I was serious. AKA making my RVS vote seem not RVS, therefore getting a reaction.

The fact remains above all that you kneejerked when you got **** for what you did and tried to play it off as a joke. You shouldn't have cared what was going around or have the need to explain what you were doing as I would feel you would in the end if you were trying to get something out of it. What did you get out of your pressure on Badwolf?

I thought that was the whole point of an RVS vote. I guess I need to go back and learn what RVS is for again...

You gave your RVS vote a reasoning behind it. It's no longer RVS after that.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Soup pointed out a quote of mine and said "I've never seen BSL do this".

I find it quite hilarious, actually. I've never been up for lynch earlygame since I came back. I've been in two games. One I was town that endgamed (also, I wasn't a part of the game until after RVS). The other I was scum and straight up skipped D1.

My observation from HxH is much different from what I'm observing of you right now. In HxH, you were so willing to help. You were willing to try and contribute and let your thoughts be known, you were active in the course of discussion and you certainly didn't try to joke around with your role. I don't get your change in attitude, and I don't get why you are not helping. You just posted a readslist and half of the players are null on it. What inclined you to post such a thing if your reads aren't solid? You keep reacting to this really badly.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I can't read July. Someone help me. Her walls always come off as townie. >:

 

[Overswarm]

Why would we need an extra day? If SK hits a bulletproof mafia, then nothing has changed, so we'd need the extra day. If SK hits a non-bulletproof mafia, we'd be one scum member less than before. That extra day to lynch scum is then unnecessary.

You're viewing the game as Town vs. Mafia/SK when it is a progression of Town/Mafia vs. SK -> Town vs. Mafia

It's irrelevant to town whether we lynch mafia unless we get the SK. We can deal with mafia on an infinite timescale, but we cannot do so with the SK.

OS' first post literally gives advice to scum, but he'd probably do that as any alignment.

"Know thy enemy"

I've never played kingmaker style mafia, but it seems like it basically places the onus of the lynch on one person and allows for everyone else's opinions to either 1) not exist, 2) be disingenuous. For example, if you have a scum read on the person who is currently kingmaker, there's a good chance you'll be less vocal so they don't lynch you for for your read on them, I'm sure there are other ways not having an active part in the lynch would also promote people being disingenuous, and 3) even people who are open about their reads are likely to be less vocal because they know that they have less power than someone else and that's usually not a good feeling, especially when you may doubt that person, either thinking they or scum or doubting their decision-making/scumhunting in general.

Most Kingmaker setups start like this, but the gameplay is typically reverted to a more "standard" play with experienced players. The only difference is instead of convincing town of one scum, you're convincing town of one town and that one town of one mafia. You get slightly different data than you normally would and actually a little bit more; it makes it really easy to catch sloppy scum.

So I understand that Kingmaker might seem better from a mathematical point of view, but I think it would have an impact on play which would be detrimental and make scumhunting harder, which is important no matter what.

Given that we have both Zen and Badwolf, I am inclined to agree on this point.

I can't read July. Someone help me. Her walls always come off as townie. >:

-_^

I know someone who can help!


Kuz

What do you think of July's walls? If she was either mafia or serial killer (and not town), given her posts this game which do you think she would be?

 

[BSL]

You've stuck to your original stance of RVS but you have altered your reasoning behind it. The first you were trying to imply policy on Badwolf and then it altered greatly in that course of time. I don't understand how you're trying to hard pressure someone when you're trying to claim their lynch as policy, and on top of this, claim your vote is RVS. It completely detracts from what you were getting at with the pressure if you're letting Badwolf know that you were just joking about it. Tell me, why did you care if people knew if your vote was RVS or not? You previously stated a policy and that was the least what we got out of it. You're being so awkward abotu something simple, and that's what truly bothers me.

I dontthink you understand. I put an RVS vote on BW. It was actually a random choice from the 8 players on the list. I gave a reason of policy lynching. This was to make it seem real and get a reaction. Don't you do things for reaction all the time? Think back to HxH for example when you pressured BSP for no reason at the beginning of D1 (I know you were Indy, doesn't matter had sex).

When the opportunity presented itself, I added weight to the vote I had by claiming that I would kill BW. I thought it was necessary because he didn't react much to the votes you and I placed on him.

Once I got enough flak for the vote/vig thing, I gave up the gag. You guys needed reasons, BW wasn't reacting, and so there was no point in keeping up the ruse that I wanted him lynched. You guys ruined the "pressure", so it didn't matter if he knew anymore. It's really that simple. I don't know why you can't understand this.

I just wrote 3 unnecessary paragraphs about why I RVS'd BW. You're being so awkward about something simple, and that's what's truly bothering me. Except it isn't actually bothering me but w/e.

The fact remains above all that you kneejerked when you got **** for what you did and tried to play it off as a joke. You shouldn't have cared what was going around or have the need to explain what you were doing as I would feel you would in the end if you were trying to get something out of it. What did you get out of your pressure on Badwolf?

I guess joke was the wrong word then. I didn't so much mean a "joke" like "haha", rather I should've said "still not serious" or something.

I got a town read and I probably would've ended it soon after, had you guys not brought it up. Who knows.

You gave your RVS vote a reasoning behind it. It's no longer RVS after that.

The reason for my vote was to "pressure a random person" so it's still RVS.

My observation from HxH is much different from what I'm observing of you right now. In HxH, you were so willing to help. You were willing to try and contribute and let your thoughts be known, you were active in the course of discussion and you certainly didn't try to joke around with your role. I don't get your change in attitude, and I don't get why you are not helping. You just posted a readslist and half of the players are null on it. What inclined you to post such a thing if your reads aren't solid? You keep reacting to this really badly.

I'm willing to help. I AM attempting to contribute and (aside from the RVS opener) trying to let my thoughts be known. I'm active. So that stuff still matches, IMO.

I'm jokey because it's what keeps me interested in the game. Go back and read my intro posts from HxH. I recall it being absolutely hilarious at some points. I also don't have a power role in this game, which may have a subconscious effect on me.

Zen asked for reads, so I gave them.

You've put a lot of focus on me, but no one else. I'm at L-2 at the moment, so could you spend a little bit of time finding scum? After I flip you're going to feel dumb for not having a back up plan.




OS: I think it's still Town vs. mafia/SK.

I have no preference to who we find first.

If all that's left is mafia, we have forever to find them.

The drawback is that we have nothing but discussion to read. No night kills to make connections with etc.

If we have only SK, it's essentially town vs. the last member of a mafia faction. That's not a bad position.

The drawback is that we don't have as much time.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Before I respond to that, I have a back up plan.

 

[BSL]

You don't need to respond to it. Just find scum.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I dontthink you understand. I put an RVS vote on BW. It was actually a random choice from the 8 players on the list. I gave a reason of policy lynching. This was to make it seem real and get a reaction. Don't you do things for reaction all the time? Think back to HxH for example when you pressured BSP for no reason at the beginning of D1 (I know you were Indy, doesn't matter had sex).

This doesn't relate seeing how my pressure on BSP was feigned yet I gave an actual reason behind it. You implied a policy on him.

When the opportunity presented itself, I added weight to the vote I had by claiming that I would kill BW. I thought it was necessary because he didn't react much to the votes you and I placed on him.

Yeah. That was weird I admit. He still didn't react though. Why are you still voting him? I don't think you've changed it yet.

Once I got enough flak for the vote/vig thing, I gave up the gag. You guys needed reasons, BW wasn't reacting, and so there was no point in keeping up the ruse that I wanted him lynched. You guys ruined the "pressure", so it didn't matter if he knew anymore. It's really that simple. I don't know why you can't understand this.

You were claiming RVS purposes which completely detracts the point of pressure in the first place when questioned. Badwolf has no reason to be concerned if you're claiming RVS. Why are you changing your story on me again? You told us up front in something I quoted that you were just playing it off as RVS.

I got a town read and I probably would've ended it soon after, had you guys not brought it up. Who knows.

Really? I don't feel he did anything worth townreading on. Show me the instance and specifics of it.

The reason for my vote was to "pressure a random person" so it's still RVS.

No it's not. Why do you go back on what you said regarding this? It's RVS. It's not RVS. I was trying to pressure. RVS can equal pressure but I wouldn't be so bothered about this if you keep flopping on what you really wanted out of Badwolf.

I'm jokey because it's what keeps me interested in the game. Go back and read my intro posts from HxH. I recall it being absolutely hilarious at some points. I also don't have a power role in this game, which may have a subconscious effect on me.

Zen asked for reads, so I gave them.

You've put a lot of focus on me, but no one else. I'm at L-2 at the moment, so could you spend a little bit of time finding scum? After I flip you're going to feel dumb for not having a back up plan.

Okay. You're going to claim this no matter what I throw at you so continue to joke around if you insist. Okay, but why is there a lack of substantiation on your part? Could you give it substance? I've put focus on plenty of other people and don't understand your need to call me out on something like this. I also don't understand your need to try and imply that I'm wrong still. I'm not the only person you need to convince.