Prisoner's Dilemma Mafia- Fish

[#HBC | BadWolf]

See that's the answer I was actually looking for. Please just be honest in the first place.

Why did you lie about having him as town then in the first place if you hadn't read him? You had everyone else at null, but specifically had BSL as town, implying that you HAD actually read him. If you hadn't focused on him at the time, then how is it that you got a solid town read on him?

I had read a couple of his posts that seemed towny to me so I put him as town. :/

 

[Ramen King]

Also wut @ the two bolded!

you, Soup, OS, and Kuz. I read through you four the hardest because of my knowledge of your play styles.

 

[Overswarm]

OS are mafia looking to lynch indy at the moment, or is it in their interest to keep him alive/lynch town and blend in?

Actually I just remembered you said its Town/mafia vs indy atm. But why? Shouldn't mafia want to keep indy since they are bulletproof/can win if they trick their partner into being shot?

Mafia as a whole wants to kill the indy on Day 2, statistically speaking. It is the "middle ground" of being risk averse.

There is logic in them wanting the indy right away or wanting the indy to stay until the very end (believing they can manipulate town forever and cooperating eternally, respectfully) but the prisoner dilemma means that the likelihood that the SK will be lynched is correlated directly to the likelihood that mafia will be targeted, meaning that choosing "compete" becomes a stronger choice as the player choice lessens... if you can predict which one will be hit. As far as avoiding risk, the likelihood that the SK being lynched goes up when the benefit from competing goes down in a no knowledge scenario. This shouldn't occur because...

There are other variables of course, such as pressure in the day phase! If BSL is mafia, for example, it is incredibly likely given toDay's efforts that if he isn't lynched today he'll be lynched before endgame and not night killed. This means that his partner's choice of cooperate or compete is completely irrelevant as the partner is the only one that can die via NKill. This gives BSL all the power at Night and none during the Day (another inverse rule, sometihng common in prisoner dilemma scenarios). Since BSL can't be NKilled his chances of winning increase if he competes, but since he has a high likelihood of being lynched the drawback from competing (both mafia dying) is no longer a drawback. This is assuming his partner cannot win on his own and have a team victory through lynches alone.

Also it's SK's best interest to lynch mafia, correct? @OS


Kuz: Why is July mafia-specific to you?

It makes his job easier. There are scenarios where he might prefer for mafia to be around (for one, there are three scum. This means that people will be looking at multiple targets. The SK doesn't have to outrun the lynch mob, he just has to outrun the mafia, na mean?), but all in all lynching mafia is in the SKs best interest.

After one mafia is lynched, the alignment is ultimately irrelevant. While the SK would want to kill the mafia before endgame, the odds of randomly hitting that one mafia are high through chance alone so even if the player was awful at hitting mafia odds are in his favor.


Do you feel that it is in the SK's best interest to lynch mafia?

Do you feel mafia want to lynch the SK early, or later?

 

[#HBC | BadWolf]

Also wut @ the two bolded!

I assume you meant to bold Kuz too but whatever.

I meant their reps. I know OS and Kuz because of their reps and you and Soup because of earlier games.

 

[Ramen King]

anyone want to give me a good example of meta on kuz and swarm? I've never played with either.

^^ ^

 

[Overswarm]

I'm really not sure how to explain this without looking scummy. The way that I play the game is slightly skewed. The way that I first read through is focused on my top priorities in this case would be you, Soup, OS, and Kuz. I read through you four the hardest because of my knowledge of your play styles. I basically ignored the other people, so when I saw that people had BSL as one of their larger scum picks I actually went through and read only for him. I agreed that he was looking suspicious and decided to go after him. Yeah it looks scummy but I'm not sure how else to do it...

I guess I could go back through and do notes like Ryker or Swiss... I might do that actually.

More on this later.

I'm sorry, do I know you?

 

[#HBC | BadWolf]

I assume you meant to bold Kuz too but whatever.

I meant their reps. I know OS and Kuz because of their reps and you and Soup because of earlier games.

Right here Zen....

 

[Overswarm]

By all means, explain to me my playstyle.

 

[#HBC | BadWolf]

I assume you meant to bold Kuz too but whatever.

I meant their reps. I know OS and Kuz because of their reps and you and Soup because of earlier games.

Oh that? I'm not sure what that is...

 

[Ramen King]

Right here Zen....

Was ninjad.

Do you feel that it is in the SK's best interest to lynch mafia?

Do you feel mafia want to lynch the SK early, or later?

Yes.

Later. Well I mean I would want to keep him around if I were maf. I'd hope to either get my partner shot early on or just cooperate as the game goes on.

 

[Overswarm]

Oh that? I'm not sure what that is...

So you say you knew my playstyle, but then didn't and only knew my rep? Just a mistaken bit of words?

Happens to the best of us!

But the core of it, that you focused on those 4 people, that is true correct?

 

[Overswarm]

Yes.

Later. Well I mean I would want to keep him around if I were maf. I'd hope to either get my partner shot early on or just cooperate as the game goes on.

Makes sense.

 

[#HBC | BadWolf]

So you say you knew my playstyle, but then didn't and only knew my rep? Just a mistaken bit of words?

Happens to the best of us!

But the core of it, that you focused on those 4 people, that is true correct?

Yes I focused on you four.

 

[Ramen King]

Town Guards
soup
Overswarm
th3kuzinator
Ramen King
BSL

Under Parole
BadWolf28738

.01% scum lean
July

Anti-Town
Gorf
KevinM

 

[Ramen King]

Kevin may be town. I'd just like some dang content from him. I feel like we may be looking at Gorf, Wolf, and July here.

 

[BSL]

So you say you knew my playstyle, but then didn't and only knew my rep? Just a mistaken bit of words?

Happens to the best of us!

But the core of it, that you focused on those 4 people, that is true correct?

So long as BW "feels uncomfortable" about my odd syntax I refuse to let this go by unchecked.

Consider it another point towards BW being scum.

 

[BSL]

@mod: requesting votecount

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Unvote

More later.

 

[th3kuzinator]

11 page essay due tomorrow midday havnt read will catchup after completion

 

[KevinM]

I'll post about this later tonight after work so sick of these long shifts.. on guard duty.. and panera

 

[BSL]

@BadWolf

Reaching during RVS... Right. Wut.

What does this mean?

This just in, pursuing your scum pick is scummy. lol Wut.

What does this mean?

 

[KevinM]

Kuzinator, talk dirty with me on something baby. You seem confident on July scum, I like that it gets me all hot under the collar, does BSL strike you as her mate in that situation?

 

[Ramen King]

Kevin what are you reads?

 

[Ramen King]

r .

 

[KevinM]

Townie Bros
Me
OS da bess
Kuzinator my boy from da deep
Badwolf more like bad at making cases but town wolf
Soupsassy

Got Some Poo on they nose Bros
July
Zen

ScumBrohaNS
InferNO
Bissle

 

[KevinM]

When I get home I'll paint you a picture with some happy little townies

Bob Ross tho

 

[Ramen King]

I take it Inferno = Gorf?

 

[KevinM]

i take it inferno = gorf?

 

[Ramen King]

 

[KevinM]

Shouldn't shoot yourself mang, We've got 5 town bros on my list, I mean that's game basically over IMO.

 

[Ramen King]

Was calling him by Inferno intentional or accidental?

 

[th3kuzinator]

ok les do this

 

[th3kuzinator]

also talked to gorf and his grandma seems to be okay so

 

[th3kuzinator]

Please restate the question asked you, then answer in full.

if july was scum what would she be was what i think ur askin me

and im saying shes mafia. not because your telling me to clarify what type of scum she is but because shes actually mafia.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Soup: I'm extending my hand to you. Will you take it?

soup bby whyd you ignore this?

 

[th3kuzinator]

OS playing only mechanics my read on him is town :D

but he does this as any alignment. he also teaches the game to everyone as scum which he's doing an incredibly large amount here.

I don't know if I'm reading this correctly so feel free to ask again, but are you saying if I knew openly who was mafia and who was Indy then who would I lynch?

I'd be fine with lynching SK in that situation, the more Days I have the longer I have to weed out a mafia mate if I'm unsure. I think unless I was EXTREMELY worried of a scummer having a lot of thread power I'd be gunning for indy.

yeah daz what i wuz askin'. and coo' coo' i agree witchu

 

[KevinM]

Was calling him by Inferno intentional or accidental?

Accident! Hurried posts at work bro bro feel me?

 

[th3kuzinator]

With relation to this: July just wtf? BSL is your mega strong scum read, but you're not voting him because you think he is MAFIA? Oh my marshies. Cmon now don't be scum gurl.

indeeeed.

Once the sk is dead, everything is decided by lynches, scumhunting, and Day play which I have a lot of faith in considering the players in this town.

ooooooh girl how you kno who's in this town hmmmmmmmMMmm?

Also, it's two days into the game and I'm pretty sure that my vote can go wherever I want for whatever purposes I see fit. The person who my vote is on right now doesn't have to be my strongest scum read nor the person I want lynched toDay, it can be the person who I most want to gain information from, you know that Zen -_-

dislike. i've seen sassy july as scum and as town so thats not what im lookin' at its that she's sassy over such an insignificant point. no one is challenging her with ad hominem so the slight edge in her post is noticable especially since zen just floated the idea out there without much backing. also that little smiley face at the end is trying to make it look like she's actually not perturbed despite the fact that she isss

justicee

 

[th3kuzinator]

Kuz, am I town or scum?

town probably, but you suck at being useful

 

[th3kuzinator]

lol last post of mine was @ bsl

July, let's assume for a second that BSL is mafia, is L-1, and the Day ends in under 5 hours.

You have the ability to hammer BSL, or to convince town to lynch someone else with the current information. In this hypothetical situation, town listens to your suggestion entirely with no dissent.

Do you hammer BSL and see him flip mafia, or do you lynch someone else to catch the SK? Who do you lynch to catch the SK?

bleck. ew. die.

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I hate BSL's case on BW buts its so bad he must be town, right? Right. But actually? Actually.

I like BW's response to it

I'm pretty sure Gorf is town given his play so far, but I agree with this statement.

y u being useless? id expect you as town to either tactically not post or be useful.

Do you think BWolf and BSL are mafia together?

no TvT actually

Kuz, what are your thoughts on BSL/badwolf? [/quote

whyd yu ask twice...?

Kuz: Why is July mafia-specific to you?

cuz i think i kno who the indy is, and it ain't her. but she still scum tho.

Kuzinator, talk dirty with me on something baby. You seem confident on July scum, I like that it gets me all hot under the collar, does BSL strike you as her mate in that situation?

no sireeeeee