Pretty in pink or true in blue, Krystal for Sm4sh!

[MagnesD3]

I think that may be the core of it. This thing you call truth isn't something that people want to hear. People don't come to support threads to get told that the character they support isn't getting in. They come to enthuse about the possibility and the hope of them getting in. Some people don't mind debate on their general odds, but if everyone wanted to hear that their desired character had zero chance then why would they bother having a thread for them at all?

Do you really think that anything you say will make people not overreact to their characters not making it? If someone's prone to freaking out over something like that, I really doubt they're the type to pay much attention to you, let alone take what you say to heart. They're fueled by emotion, not logic.

Many of the facts and pieces of evidence you've brought up are fine. People's main problem with you is your presentation; not what you say, but how you say it. You're not telling people the truth. You're giving people a prediction. Even if that prediction ends up being right in the long run, that doesn't make it truth; that just makes it a prediction that happened to be correct. Apart from the development team working on the game, everyone else's theories on the roster, no matter how well founded they seem to them or anyone else, are nothing more than that: theories. Including mine. Including yours.

I somewhat doubt the nobility of your intentions if your efforts to prevent people from being butthurt when the game is released simply make other (and possibly more) people butthurt now about the things you have to say.

aka trolling, (refer to the post about his posting percentages if you dont believe).

 

[DarkKry4]

aka trolling, (refer to the post about his posting percentages if you dont believe).

If i were trolling, i'd probably say a lot worse things -_-

I think that may be the core of it. This thing you call truth isn't something that people want to hear. People don't come to support threads to get told that the character they support isn't getting in. They come to enthuse about the possibility and the hope of them getting in. Some people don't mind debate on their general odds, but if everyone wanted to hear that their desired character had zero chance then why would they bother having a thread for them at all?

Do you really think that anything you say will make people not overreact to their characters not making it? If someone's prone to freaking out over something like that, I really doubt they're the type to pay much attention to you, let alone take what you say to heart. They're fueled by emotion, not logic.

Many of the facts and pieces of evidence you've brought up are fine. People's main problem with you is your presentation; not what you say, but how you say it. You're not telling people the truth. You're giving people a prediction. Even if that prediction ends up being right in the long run, that doesn't make it truth; that just makes it a prediction that happened to be correct. Apart from the development team working on the game, everyone else's theories on the roster, no matter how well founded they seem to them or anyone else, are nothing more than that: theories. Including mine. Including yours.


I somewhat doubt the nobility of your intentions if your efforts to prevent people from being butthurt when the game is released simply make other (and possibly more) people butthurt now about the things you have to say.

I get your point but..

i actually haven't even flamed anybody. People actually were posting things that weren't true about Krystal's popularity like Sakurai saying how surprise he was over her requests (excepted it was entirely fabricated by a fansite). Or even someone to go on claiming that she would probably in the debut trailer of the game. I mean its okay to support a character but I don't see the harm in debunking such ludicrous ideas or information that is not properly sourced (which is what i've done)

And if they want to get angry over that, its really their problem. Not mine.

 

[Fatmanonice]

Welp, I'm getting just about fed up with this...

You just don't get it, do you? Nobody's calling you out on flaming, we're calling you out for being a bully with your opinions. Throughout this thread and several other threads on this board, you are trying to police people's opinions on something unbelievably inconsequential. You keep making these wild claims that if people don't submit to your way of thinking, that not only will they suffer but this entire forum will suffer. You repeatedly elude to people who don't agree with your opinions as being deluded or ignorant and CLEARLY your opinions are the only "correct" ones. "Why can't everyone just be like me; the world would be such a better place," is how I would sum up the content of a vast majority of your posts. You hold yourself on some strange, imaginary pedestal where you're a sort of super hero who is protecting the forum from... the Fanboy Apocalypse? Unlike a lot of sites, this site actually has top notch MODs and if people get whiny and disrupt things too much, it's THEIR job to take care of it, not yours.

As I mentioned in an earlier post, you like to beat people over the head with your opinions in an attempt to convert them to your way of thinking citing that it would be a sort of extreme tragedy if they expressed any sort of dissatisfaction of one of their wanted characters not getting in. One thing that I find particularly insulting about your statements is how you constantly insinuate that people are not capable of curbing their emotions and dealing with the exclusion of characters rationally. Apparently the only emotions that fans of characters that you don't like are capable of are lustful infatuation and unbridled rage which, again, strongly suggests that you think you're better than people BASED ON YOUR OPINIONS ON VIDEO GAME CHARACTERS and if that isn't disquieting, I don't know what is. People should be held accountable for their own actions and opinions especially for something as trivial as game character speculation and, again, for you to claim that is it your responsibility to curb this and proselytize your opinions as the undeniable truth as your modus operandi to cleanse the world of the unspeakable evil of people who don't agree with you is simply too dogmatic for words to describe.

Remember as a kid when your parents said "if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all?" I think that's pretty sage advice in this situation. Seriously, MORE THAN 80% of everything you have said on this forum this year has been you goosestepping around with a level of jingoism that I've usually only have ever seen on political and religious forums. Those are serious topics. Smash Bros isn't. Smash Bros is a game and there is absolutely no need to aggressively crusade to uphold your own opinions. Are you allowed to disagree with people's opinions? Of course. Is it possible to do it with out it being the equivalent of repeatedly jabbing someone with a spear? Absolutely. You lack tact which seems to be the reason why most people don't like you, not because you disagree with them. As a secular humanist who regularly works with a large number of Christian, Muslim, and even Pagan groups in my area and has for the past 3 years, I know for a fact that it is fully possible to sensibly express your opinions that are on the complete opposite side of the spectrum than the people you're dealing with.

Again, we get it, you don't like Krystal and that's all well and good. As previously stated, you're more than welcome to your opinion but your way of disagreeing is unacceptable. Is she possible? Yes because she fits the bottom basic criteria that Sakurai has stated in the past: she's a video game character that has appeared on a Nintendo platform. What are her chances? We don't entirely know and it's all speculation and conjecture so to claim to have absolute knowledge of this is dishonest and, obviously, you don't continuously lie to people and expect them to put up with it for long. Does she have a chance of not making it? Of course. Might there be some fallout with her not making it? Possibly but it's nothing a few bans couldn't fix and to suggest that this situation is far more serious than this is simply laughable. Are other people using false info and conjecture too? About as much as just about any other thread and while it should be addressed, there are a lot of good examples of people in here that have been able to respectfully disagree and point out errors while not parading as the way, the truth, and the light.

You keep claiming to be a realist so I'm now presenting you with the very real situation where you're being overly aggressive towards people simply because... wait for it... they like a blue cartoon fox and want to play as her in a video game. This is the situation at hand. This is where you have ended up in life. Is this honestly where you want to be? Again, you tie way too much significance to the opinions of others on this matter and it has made you a genuinely unlikable person as a result. Your opinions aren't what are getting people stirred up; it's your behavior. Looking at this, I'd like to think that I would say the same words to myself when I used to do this to the Tingle, Waluigi, and Daisy threads back in the pre-Brawl days sharing the same sentiments as yours but, lo and behold, I grew up. I came to discover that speculation is meant to be fun and that people disagreeing with me about video games, shucks howdy, was no skin off my nose even if they supported characters that made my stomach turn. I learned that it says a lot about a person if you have someone who actively destroys bridges rather than build them in the quest to simply fulfill the smug satisfaction of being able to say "I told you so."With all this being said, I think you need some quiet introspection of how you interact with people and I feel that it will do you a lot of good to turn your behavior around.

TLDR:

Paragraph One: Stop trying to police people's opinions.
Paragraph Two: You're way too dogmatic; cut it out.
Paragraph Three: You lack tact; work on that.
Paragraph Four: Stop presenting conjecture and opinions as facts.
Paragraph Five: Work on building bridges instead of destroying them.

Bottom Line: You're taking opinions about a video game way too seriously and you need to straighten up.

Vocabulary quiz words: proselytize, jingoism

 

[Deleted member]

Ironically, DarkKry here is kind of a representation of what I would be if I didn't go neutral on the subject.

 

[Fatmanonice]

Ironically, DarkKry here is kind of a representation of what I would be if I didn't go neutral on the subject.

Except, that's the thing, you respectfully disagree and that makes all the difference. You're a great poster and you don't charge into threads with your opinion like it was a freakin' lance. You don't act like the stability of the forum is jeopardized if people don't agree with you. You don't insinuate that people lack maturity or intellect if they don't agree with you. The case may be that if Krystal was on fire you wouldn't pee on her to put it out but you have enough maturity to show restraint and not throw your opinions around like hand grenades.

 

[Fire Emblemier]

And that is why I don't go into the threads of the characters, I rather not see in the game, TBH. I'm not someone to shove things in their face, I try to respect everyone's opinion, and just deal with it. No arguing, no problem, really.

 

[Deleted member]

Except, that's the thing, you respectfully disagree and that makes all the difference. You're a great poster and you don't charge into threads with your opinion like it was a freakin' lance. You don't act like the stability of the forum is jeopardized if people don't agree with you. You don't insinuate that people lack maturity or intellect if they don't agree with you. The case may be that if Krystal was on fire you wouldn't pee on her to put it out but you have enough maturity to show restraint and not throw your opinions around like hand grenades.

I suppose. Though to be honest, I used to be kind of like that.

As for that analogy, I would think the better example would be to pour a bucket of water on her rather than pee on her. 0_0
I mean, I wouldn't pee on her to put it out, but not because I dislike her. And even though I rather dislike her, it would be wrong not to pour a bucket of water on her if she was on fire, so I guess that analogy doesn't fit, either.....hmm.....

 

[Fatmanonice]

If someone you don't like welcomes you into their house, you don't fart into their throw pillows. This is pretty much what I'm trying to get at. I've been in situations where I was surrounded by people who made me cringe but I survived without a shot being fired. Sigmund Freud once said "Just as you cannot force anyone to disbelief, you cannot force anyone to belief" and I feel that this is crucial to understand whether it's discussing favorite foods or governmental economic regulations.

 

[Reznor]

If someone you don't like welcomes you into their house, you don't fart into their throw pillows. This is pretty much what I'm trying to get at. I've been in situations where I was surrounded by people who made me cringe but I survived without a shot being fired. Sigmund Freud once said "Just as you cannot force anyone to disbelief, you cannot force anyone to belief" and I feel that this is crucial to understand whether it's discussing favorite foods or governmental economic regulations.

Feud was wrong on way too many things to be quote worthy
and you can force people to disbelief or belief its called brainwashing

anyways it seems to me that a lot of people that want Krystal to be in smash 4 are the same people who want geno

 

[BlindFox]

Feud was wrong on way too many things to be quote worthy
and you can force people to disbelief or belief its called brainwashing

anyways it seems to me that a lot of people that want Krystal to be in smash 4 are the same people who want geno

Well... I'd like to see Krystal in the game.. But geno.. I don't mind really. I'd prefer Paper Mario and a Paper Mario villain.

 

[FreshlyBakedCookies]

Krystal is AWSOME!!!

If she got in people be all like "Yay Krystal!!!" or "Nooooooo! why Krystal?!"

But then all the people who were like "Noooooo! why Krystal?!" would change there minds once they get to play Krystal because of her awsomness and be like "Wow!!! Krystal is AWSOME!!!" and " i <3 Krystal!!!"

Yeah thats what would happen if Krystal got in to Smash...

 

[FlareHabanero]

Krystal is AWSOME!!!

If she got in people be all like "Yay Krystal!!!" or "Nooooooo! why Krystal?!"

But then all the people who were like "Noooooo! why Krystal?!" would change there minds once they get to play Krystal because of her awsomness and be like "Wow!!! Krystal is AWSOME!!!" and " i <3 Krystal!!!"

Yeah thats what would happen if Krystal got in to Smash...

Yeah, no.

 

[Fatmanonice]

Feud was wrong on way too many things to be quote worthy
and you can force people to disbelief or belief its called brainwashing

anyways it seems to me that a lot of people that want Krystal to be in smash 4 are the same people who want geno

I give Freud credit for essentially pioneering the modern field of psychology and being one of the first note worthy people to seriously address things like society's effect on mental health and the psychological development of children. Yes, many of his theories are archaic but I feel that the questions he raised encouraged people to start seriously thinking and talking about the topic. Also, brainwashing isn't forcing people into beliefs/disbelief, it is coercing them into them. It's kind of like the idea of reverse psychology when you set up the playing field where you up the chances that they're come to the same conclusions as you have. I can tell you to believe something and deliberately hide anything from you that would make you question my statement but, in the end, it's still the person's decision whether they actually believe it or not.

With Smash Bros, the fan bases often blend together so even if there is a correlation between Krystal and Geno fans, I would say it was more coincidental than deliberate.

 

[FreshlyBakedCookies]

Krystal Would be like the best character too!

She would wack everybody upside the head and win every match she played in.

The only way to beat Krystal is to play as Krystal.

You got to go with the flow man!

 

[FlareHabanero]

Krystal Would be like the best character too!

She would wack everybody upside the head and win every match she played in.

The only way to beat Krystal is to play as Krystal.

You got to go with the flow man!

Yeah, no.

 

[Deleted member]

Krystal Would be like the best character too!

She would wack everybody upside the head and win every match she played in.

The only way to beat Krystal is to play as Krystal.

You got to go with the flow man!

It's people like this I can't stand.

 

[Fatmanonice]

Krystal is AWSOME!!!

If she got in people be all like "Yay Krystal!!!" or "Nooooooo! why Krystal?!"

But then all the people who were like "Noooooo! why Krystal?!" would change there minds once they get to play Krystal because of her awsomness and be like "Wow!!! Krystal is AWSOME!!!" and " i <3 Krystal!!!"

Yeah thats what would happen if Krystal got in to Smash...

I'll admit, I'm reading your posts with Jake's voice in my head. Eh, that might be the case with some people because god knows a ton of people were practically peeing fire when ROB was revealed (myself included) but came to like him in time when they actually got to play as him.

 

[FreshlyBakedCookies]

I was just thinking more about Krystal and get this guys... She's Telepathic!!!

she could like command the dinosaurs to attack people during her final smash!
sorta like aquaman but with dinosaurs!

Dinosaurs are Awsome too!!!

 

[Opossum]

If someone you don't like welcomes you into their house, you don't fart into their throw pillows.

This quote is sig-worthy. Just saying.

 

[Fatmanonice]

Honestly, just let him flop about and fanboy it up if he wants; it is the Krystal Support Thread after all.

 

[FreshlyBakedCookies]

Honestly, just let him flop about and fanboy it up if he wants; it is the Krystal Support Thread after all.

good for you man!
this guy gets it!

 

[Fatmanonice]

This quote is sig-worthy. Just saying.

This is actually based on some lectures I've had to give people in real life because of absolutely disGUSTING behavior I've seen people do at parties in college. I don't care how much you hate somebody, there's something morally wrong with peeing on someone's toothbrush/in someone's closet or breaking down someone's bedroom door while they're away.

 

[BlindFox]

There have been a lot of speculations about everything... I just want some new info like now... Olimar coming back was great news. I just want some more... Man, hype is killing me

 

[Fatmanonice]

At least with Brawl we had "Sakurai's Journal" to analyze while we waited between E3 06 in May 06 and the opening of the Dojo the following year. It's kind of weird to think about how there was a section on the Brawl website where you could make character requests for about a month after Brawl was announced and yet everybody but Sonic had been in the game at that point. Some people speculate that while Brawl's new characters largely lined up with the leftovers of the official Melee poll, SSB4 will largely line up with the leftovers from the Brawl poll which would be interesting considering we already have two of the heavy hitters from that time in the form of Megaman and Villager.

 

[FreshlyBakedCookies]

There have been a lot of speculations about everything... I just want some new info like now... Olimar coming back was great news. I just want some more... Man, hype is killing me

Don't worry Krystals got a good chance of making it.

I can feel it!

 

[N3ON]

I guess using Brawl-era popularity is a benefit to Krystal, but it is only Japanese popularity that makes up the Brawl poll, and IIRC even around then she didn't have a huge amount of support there, so even with selections being based off a time period where she was at her peak, it might not really amount to much anyway.

It probably helps, I dunno... maybe Isaac? He is probably the best example of a character popular then that isn't nearly as popular now (in Japan). Most characters that would end up pretty high on that poll who didn't get included probably still have that popularity now. (other than Geno, but he's unlikely to begin with)

 

[Reznor]

I guess using Brawl-era popularity is a benefit to Krystal, but it is only Japanese popularity that makes up the Brawl poll, and IIRC even around then she didn't have a huge amount of support there, so even with selections being based off a time period where she was at her peak, it might not really amount to much anyway.

It probably helps, I dunno... maybe Isaac? He is probably the best example of a character popular then that isn't nearly as popular now (in Japan). Most characters that would end up pretty high on that poll who didn't get included probably still have that popularity now. (other than Geno, but he's unlikely to begin with)

so what Starfox character does japan want the most anyway?
I heard some one say it was Slippy but that might be wrong

 

[N3ON]

so what Starfox character does japan want the most anyway?
I heard some one say it was Slippy but that might be wrong

Back during Brawl it was Wolf. Now none really... I think they view it as a series that already has all the characters is needs as they never really cared about the post-64 games anyway. From what I've seen both Krystal and Slippy have minimal requests, Krystal honestly probably has... maybe a little more (she's not hated there like people think, they just don't really care about her), but neither of them really amount to anything.

 

[FreshlyBakedCookies]

Super Smash bros. will never be completed until Krystal make it!

 

[Fatmanonice]

Except the way "Sakurai's Journal" was set up wasn't definitive and that's why it was the foundation of so much speculation back in the day. It consisted of 255 entries into the Brawl poll (where people could request characters, music, or just encourage the staff) that were posted on the early Dojo site. Nobody knows why the 255 entries were picked. Some people said they were random but they reflected the most wanted characters way too well to be coincidental. People took serious consideration of the characters that were mentioned more than once especially when it started to seem uncanny that a good number of these characters became playable or at least Assist Trophies in Brawl like King Dedede (5 entries), Diddy Kong (4), Ike (4), Toon Link (3), Olimar (3), Jeff (2), Samurai Goroh (2), and Isaac (2). If I remember right there were only 20 or so characters that were mentioned more than once and for a time it seemed like there was a strong correlation between entries and chances of becoming playable.

 

[Reznor]

Super Smash bros. will never be completed until Krystal make it!

she will ruin the smash series like she did the Starfox series

 

[FreshlyBakedCookies]

She will make Smash better just like how she saved the StarFox series!

Back in the days of the gamecube we were hoping for a new StarFox game. It was tough times!! And we got one!

Krystal is the savior of StarFox!!!

 

[Reznor]

She will make Smash better just like how she saved the StarFox series!

Back in the days of the gamecube we were hoping for a new StarFox game. It was tough times!! And we got one!

Krystal is the savior of StarFox!!!

we got a bad game and never got a good one again

to save smash bros we must use Leon or Slippy

 

[FreshlyBakedCookies]

we got a bad game and never got a good one again

to save smash bros we must use Leon or Slippy

*points toward head*

not in here man...not in here...

 

[Fatmanonice]

Star Fox is a lot like F-Zero in that it wouldn't take much to make a good new game. I think the basic expectations of the fans is the equivalent of Star Fox 64 with HD graphics and online dog fights. Virtually nobody would complain about this but nooooooooooooooooo, Miyamoto insists they have to reinvent the wheel with both franchises...

 

[N3ON]

Meh, I just think it's a false excuse to justify why they haven't made a new SF or F-Zero. Clearly they would make another no matter how much each game differed from another if they sold better. Look at Mario... not a whole lot of evolution between titles nowadays, definitely not anything close to reinventing the wheel like you said and like Miyamoto demands of his other franchises to be worth making another iteration, but... wait, they sell well, so who cares, just churn out another. It's really just a cop-out from Miyamoto.

 

[XenothiumX]

Star Fox is a lot like F-Zero in that it wouldn't take much to make a good new game. I think the basic expectations of the fans is the equivalent of Star Fox 64 with HD graphics and online dog fights. Virtually nobody would complain about this but nooooooooooooooooo, Miyamoto insists they have to reinvent the wheel with both franchises...

I agree. I was blown away by the first level of Assult. Fortuna I think...anyways, it was an awsome level. Too bad they couldn't keep making levels like that!

 

[FreshlyBakedCookies]

in order to make a good StarFox game all you have to do is sit back relax and let Krystal do her thing!

 

[Deleted member]

So a game about nothing?

Now how is that going to be a good StarFox game?

 

[BlindFox]

So a game about nothing?

Now how is that going to be a good StarFox game?

What do you mean?