Pretty in pink or true in blue, Krystal for Sm4sh!

[Guybrush20X6]

If we can have four Zelda characters (Including the speculated Midna, Girahim or Classic/toon Link) We can have four Star Fox characters. I wouldn't like that much if they were Fox, Falco and Wolf with the same moveset, (Wolf apart, he have the same moveset but balanced in another way) If they can redisign in some way Falco and Wolf moveset that would make some 4 (including Krystal) unique characters as the others.

In Brawl Mario have 8 characters, Pokémon have 4 (6 if you want to count the 3 pokemons from the pokemon trainer) Zelda have 4 (5 if you wanna count sheik) and Kirby 3 (In my opinion, Kirby needs more characters...)

So we have:

Mario in the first place, seems pretty obvious. (SSB64 = 4 characters // SSBM = + 2 // SSBB = + 2)
Then Pokémon (SSB64 = 2 // SSBM = + 2 // SSBB = Mewtwoo and Mew removed, Lucario and Pkmn Trainer instead)
Followed by Zelda (SSB64 = 1 // SSBM = + 3 // SSBB = Young Link replaced by Toon Link)
And finally Star Fox (SSB64 = 1 // SSBM +1 // SSBB = +1)

The 4 best selling and more popular Nintendo franchises with more characters in the roster. With that in mind, I don't see the idea of one addition to every franchise as something crazy and weird.

Prepare for people to tear this apart viciously. I'm not gonna but I'm just preparing your soul.

 

[N3ON]

If we can have four Zelda characters (Including the speculated Midna, Girahim or Classic/toon Link) We can have four Star Fox characters. I wouldn't like that much if they were Fox, Falco and Wolf with the same moveset, (Wolf apart, he have the same moveset but balanced in another way) If they can redisign in some way Falco and Wolf moveset that would make some 4 (including Krystal) unique characters as the others.

In Brawl Mario have 8 characters, Pokémon have 4 (6 if you want to count the 3 pokemons from the pokemon trainer) Zelda have 4 (5 if you wanna count sheik) and Kirby 3 (In my opinion, Kirby needs more characters...)

So we have:

Mario in the first place, seems pretty obvious. (SSB64 = 4 characters // SSBM = + 2 // SSBB = + 2)
Then Pokémon (SSB64 = 2 // SSBM = + 2 // SSBB = Mewtwoo and Mew removed, Lucario and Pkmn Trainer instead)
Followed by Zelda (SSB64 = 1 // SSBM = + 3 // SSBB = Young Link replaced by Toon Link)
And finally Star Fox (SSB64 = 1 // SSBM +1 // SSBB = +1)

Implying Zelda and SF should be equal? As much as I'd like to see Krystal... they aren't. Sales-wise Star Fox is a ways lower than Zelda (and Mario, Pokemon, DK, Kirby, and several other series), Star Fox is pretty lucky to have the three characters it does, it likely wouldn't if Falco and Wolf hadn't have been based off an existing character. And at this point no one should be speculating that Midna will still be included.

Also, chances are Falco and Wolf will only receive minor changes, maybe a move or two different than how they were in Brawl, but being completely decloned isn't going to happen. I also disagree with Mario having eight characters, but I suppose that comes down to interpretation (though Sakurai doesn't think they have eight either).

The 4 best selling and more popular Nintendo franchises with more characters in the roster. With that in mind, I don't see the idea of one addition to every franchise as something crazy and weird.

SF isn't even close to the fourth best-selling and most popular Nintendo franchise...

 

[Swamp Sensei]

This guy thinks Starfox sells more than Metroid, Kirby, DK, Wario, Pikmin, Animal Crossing, Wii Fit, Yoshi, and Fire Emblem?

Yeah... Doesn't know what he's talking about.

 

[Fatmanonice]

The 4 best selling and more popular Nintendo franchises with more characters in the roster. With that in mind, I don't see the idea of one addition to every franchise as something crazy and weird.

Star Fox isn't the 4th best selling Nintendo franchise (I think that goes to Kirby followed by Donkey Kong) but I agree with this. If at least Star Fox, Metroid, Fire Emblem, and Donkey Kong got at least new one character this time around and didn't cut anyone, I think a lot of people would be satisfied with the overall roster.

 

[Komenja]

In Brawl Mario have 8 characters, Pokémon have 4 (6 if you want to count the 3 pokemons from the pokemon trainer) Zelda have 4 (5 if you wanna count sheik) and Kirby 3 (In my opinion, Kirby needs more characters...)

So we have:

Mario in the first place, seems pretty obvious. (SSB64 = 4 characters // SSBM = + 2 // SSBB = + 2)

Woah now. Think you've got your numbers a lil' mixed up. Mario and Luigi are the only Super Mario characters in Smash 64. Yoshi had already established his/her/it's own series by that time. Even considering Yoshi as a Super Mario rep, that's three characters, not four. In Melee, Bowser, Peach, and Doc Mario bumped that up to five. Doc Mario was removed in Brawl and no new Mario reps were added, bringing the number down to four. Wario doesn't count, having a long line of his own games up to that point and representing his own series, just like Yoshi.

 

[BlindFox]

Implying Zelda and SF should be equal? As much as I'd like to see Krystal... they aren't. Sales-wise Star Fox is a ways lower than Zelda (and Mario, Pokemon, DK, Kirby, and several other series), Star Fox is pretty lucky to have the three characters it does, it likely wouldn't if Falco and Wolf hadn't have been based off an existing character. And at this point no one should be speculating that Midna will still be included.

Also, chances are Falco and Wolf will only receive minor changes, maybe a move or two different than how they were in Brawl, but being completely decloned isn't going to happen. I also disagree with Mario having eight characters, but I suppose that comes down to interpretation (though Sakurai doesn't think they have eight either).


SF isn't even close to the fourth best-selling and most popular Nintendo franchise...

Clearly you misunderstood my post. But first, I must apologise that I included DK characters as Mario characters. Huge mistake. Never played DK series, and I put it back in NES were Mario and DK were part of the same game, also with their appearences in Mario Kart, Mario Party and other Mario games (I counted Wario too as part of the Mario Franchise, same mistake as Dk's). That said, let me explain.

What I ment to let you know, is that in the overall roster. The ones who more characters have are the games with the best selling numbers (Metroid aside, it's difficuld to add more due the fact that Samus is pretty much the "only" character") But stil quite unaccurate. DK have more sellings than SF but stil, SF have one more character than the DK Franchise, and have the same amount as Kirby.

And if they do what you said to wolf and falco, I'd be more than pleased, that is more than needed. Midna (Or wolf Link) it's still a possibility. When Brawl was announced we had Twilight Princess, but stil we got Toon Link from the previous game Wind Waker. If they announce a new TLoZ in the next 12 months, definetely, she won't be included.

As I said, in my opinion, every franchise needs a newcomer. At least, it would be cool.

Woah now. Think you've got your numbers a lil' mixed up.

Pretty much Fixed it. Thanks anyway.

 

[Komenja]

As I said, in my opinion, every franchise needs a newcomer. At least, it would be cool.

I'll agree to that. F-Zero in particular needs some love, man.

 

[Reznor]

I gotta ask why should Krystal be in before Slippy or Leon hell even Peppy for that matter just looks like you guys want her because "she looks hot"

slippy could have a more unique move set with all the machine stuff and is more important than krystal
Leon is another baddie and they could make up some cool move set with chameleon stuff
Peppy is a member of both starfox teams and is more important than krystal

people krystal killed the starfox franchise and she will kill the Smash bros one also
ok that last part is mostly a joke

 

[Guybrush20X6]

I gotta ask why should Krystal be in before Slippy or Leon hell even Peppy for that matter just looks like you guys want her because "she looks hot"

slippy could have a more unique move set with all the machine stuff and is more important than krystal
Leon is another baddie and they could make up some cool move set with chameleon stuff
Peppy is a member of both starfox teams and is more important than krystal

people krystal killed the starfox franchise and she will kill the Smash bros one also
ok that last part is mostly a joke

It's not the "hot" factor entirely but the "XX Factor" or more crudely the "boob factor". In a cast of mostly one gender any characters of the other stand out. Chun-li is one of the best known fighing game characters and Cammy is much better known that the other "new challengers" (Fei-Long, Dee Jay & T. Hawk). Hence why Kat, a character I never ran into on my attempts of playing 64 (Maybe I just sucked?) is so popular with the fandom.

Krystal has other things going for her. The staff, despite hardly being used by her, is representative of the SF adventures gameplay and has moveset potential. Also, her body design is close to that of Fox, Falco & Wolf meaning it's easier to give her some semi-cloned moves (I'm thinking aerials mostly)

Of the ones you listed
* Slippy has some good potential, using gadgets and weapons from assault and is popular in Japan but is loathed elsewhere. Of all other SF characters I'd like Slippy the most.
* Peppy has less to work with than Slippy and his victory screen in Assault was blowing his back out while cheering.
* Leon? If they're gonna make a moveset from scratch for a character that has never been playable (Command doesn't count SHUT UP) I'd rather it was an F-Zero character. That game needs more love.

 

[Reznor]

It's not the "hot" factor entirely but the "XX Factor" or more crudely the "boob factor". In a cast of mostly one gender any characters of the other stand out. Chun-li is one of the best known fighing game characters and Cammy is much better known that the other "new challengers" (Fei-Long, Dee Jay & T. Hawk). Hence why Kat, a character I never ran into on my attempts of playing 64 (Maybe I just sucked?) is so popular with the fandom.

Krystal has other things going for her. The staff, despite hardly being used by her, is representative of the SF adventures gameplay and has moveset potential. Also, her body design is close to that of Fox, Falco & Wolf meaning it's easier to give her some semi-cloned moves (I'm thinking aerials mostly)

Of the ones you listed
* Slippy has some good potential, using gadgets and weapons from assault and is popular in Japan but is loathed elsewhere. Of all other SF characters I'd like Slippy the most.
* Peppy has less to work with than Slippy and his victory screen in Assault was blowing his back out while cheering.
* Leon? If they're gonna make a moveset from scratch for a character that has never been playable (Command doesn't count SHUT UP) I'd rather it was an F-Zero character. That game needs more love.

see here is the thing street fighter is a game made up of original characters so who cares but smash bros is a crossover with all the biggest nintendo characters and yes almost all the important nintendo characters are male which sucks but i'd rather have an important character over some character than only gets into this game because she is a female
I don't want what happened in Injustice to happen in smash

I don't think move list potential is not as important as every one thinks nintendo has given entire move sets to characters who have never even been in a fight
her body design being close to fox, falco & wolf is one of the major reasons I don't want her in game we have 3 characters like that why do we need another

lastly wow typing about why I don't like krystal has made me realize that Slippy would actually be kind of a cool character to add you could annoy people by playing him and he wouldn't be a clone

 

[Gene]

I gotta ask why should Krystal be in before Slippy or Leon hell even Peppy for that matter just looks like you guys want her because "she looks hot"

slippy could have a more unique move set with all the machine stuff and is more important than krystal
Leon is another baddie and they could make up some cool move set with chameleon stuff
Peppy is a member of both starfox teams and is more important than krystal

people krystal killed the starfox franchise and she will kill the Smash bros one also
ok that last part is mostly a joke

You should take a gander at this:

http://www.smashboards.com/threads/...-toad-support-thread-specials-updated.328528/

 

[Fatmanonice]

I gotta ask why should Krystal be in before Slippy or Leon hell even Peppy for that matter just looks like you guys want her because "she looks hot"

slippy could have a more unique move set with all the machine stuff and is more important than krystal
Leon is another baddie and they could make up some cool move set with chameleon stuff
Peppy is a member of both starfox teams and is more important than krystal

people krystal killed the starfox franchise and she will kill the Smash bros one also
ok that last part is mostly a joke

Personally, I like the idea of a magical staff user and feel that she's one of the few characters in one of my favorite franchises that isn't a blank slate. I feel that's the problem with characters you mentioned. Given how all three of them don't have distinctive attacks in the franchise, I don't think Sakurai would feel too creatively inclined to make them that different from Fox, Falco, or Wolf. Heck, you could pretty much copy and paste the staff moves from Adventures, come up with four throws, and pretty much call it a day for Krystal. Sakurai only seems to stretch his creative imagination when it comes to characters from obscure and/or retro franchises so it's wishful thinking to think that he'd really put on his thinking cap for those three just for the sake of making them different. Also keep in mind that this is the same man that originally intended Wolf to essentially be a color swap of Fox in Melee and only added Ganondorf because he saw similarities between his and Captain Falcon's body structure.

 

[Reznor]

You should take a gander at this:

http://www.smashboards.com/threads/...-toad-support-thread-specials-updated.328528/

already posted there and I love the thread

Personally, I like the idea of a magical staff user and feel that she's one of the few characters in one of my favorite franchises that isn't a blank slate. I feel that's the problem with characters you mentioned. Given how all three of them don't have distinctive attacks in the franchise, I don't think Sakurai would feel too creatively inclined to make them that different from Fox, Falco, or Wolf. Heck, you could pretty much copy and paste the staff moves from Adventures, come up with four throws, and pretty much call it a day for Krystal. Sakurai only seems to stretch his creative imagination when it comes to characters from obscure and/or retro franchises so it's wishful thinking to think that he'd really put on his thinking cap for those three just for the sake of making them different. Also keep in mind that this is the same man that originally intended Wolf to essentially be a color swap of Fox in Melee and only added Ganondorf because he saw similarities between his and Captain Falcon's body structure.

but when he made move sets for Fox and Captain Falcon they weren't obscure or retro
and wow the 2 characters that he made up 100% of their move sets have dead franchises now

I just feel Krystal doesn't deserves to be in a smash game the only game she was in that wasn't bad is assault and its not that good (multiplayer was awesome though)

 

[MagnesD3]

God so many haters has everyone in here even played all the star fox games, she has a cool Moveset, interesting past, was playable in a game, is bilingual, a telepath and is fox's gf as well as being a very popular choice for inclusion. I really don't get the hate, I still say she the 2nd most important sf team member.

 

[Reznor]

God so many haters has everyone in here even played all the star fox games, she has a cool Moveset, interesting past, was playable in a game, is bilingual, a telepath and is fox's gf as well as being a very popular choice for inclusion. I really don't get the hate, I still say she the 2nd most important sf team member.

any one can have a cool move set
interesting past is debatable
we have characters that aren't playable in game (and if you count multiplayer slippy and peppy are playable also)
yes being bilingual mean every thing
being fox's girlfriend isn't as important as people think
most of her fans are just furries you all know this to be true

most people hate her because she kinda represents the death of Starfox and her fans are annoying

 

[IsmaR]

Gotta love the haters, god I hope she gets in, if mewtwo, Ridley and Krystal come in ssb4 ill be set.

This was my original trifecta in pre-Brawl days. Still holds to this day, even if I don't show it as much.

Good god, that OP is such an eyesore, and not in a "so bad it's good" way. Those comments are even worse, like even to this day I'm still baffled by this horse****.

In fact, I might of stumbled onto this thread during my lurking binges back during Brawl speculation.

If you think that was bad/judging from your 2nd comment, you probably stumbled on The **** Staff. Gods, I miss those days.

 

[Gene]

any one can have a cool move set
interesting past is debatable
we have characters that aren't playable in game (and if you count multiplayer slippy and peppy are playable also)
yes being bilingual mean every thing
being fox's girlfriend isn't as important as people think
most of her fans are just furries you all know this to be true

most people hate her because she kinda represents the death of Starfox and her fans are annoying

Pretty much this.

I still say she the 2nd most important sf team member.

I hope you don't think that she's the 2nd most important member because she's Fox's love interest so his love come's first. Or because she's a telepath or some absurd foolishness.


Love can bloom even on a battlefield. But not on Super Smash Bros' Battlefield.

 

[MagnesD3]

It

any one can have a cool move set
interesting past is debatable
we have characters that aren't playable in game (and if you count multiplayer slippy and peppy are playable also)
yes being bilingual mean every thing
being fox's girlfriend isn't as important as people think
most of her fans are just furries you all know this to be true

most people hate her because she kinda represents the death of Starfox and her fans are annoying[/quote)



It wasn't Krystal's fault sf declined it was all Nintendo being a selfish ass by not properly putting in the resources to make another great sf game, sf, sf64 and adventuees are the obly good games in the series the others suck ass and even then adventures is basically a Zelda game.

 

[Reznor]

It wasn't Krystal's fault sf declined it was all Nintendo being a selfish *** by not properly putting in the resources to make another great sf game, sf, sf64 and adventuees are the obly good games in the series the others suck *** and even then adventures is basically a Zelda game.

okay copy and pasted your point

it might not have been Krystal's fault it might be a bad place at the wrong time kinda thing but personally I do think she made the games worse
its mostly the fanbase though

 

[Gene]

It wasn't Krystal's fault sf declined it was all Nintendo being a selfish *** by not properly putting in the resources to make another great sf game, sf, sf64 and adventuees are the obly good games in the series the others suck *** and even then adventures is basically a Zelda game.

That is a good point. I personally would've liked to see if Nintendo never made Rare change Dinosaur Planet in SA Adventures. The game was okay for what it was, a Zelda clone but it should've had more and better rail shooter gameplay into the game (an even balance at least). Also I hated Slippy, Falco and Peppy's design's and voice acting in that game.

 

[MagnesD3]

That is a good point. I personally would've liked to see if Nintendo never made Rare change Dinosaur Planet in SA Adventures. The game was okay for what it was, a Zelda clone but it should've had more and better rail shooter gameplay into the game (an even balance at least). Also I hated Slippy, Falco and Peppy's design's and voice acting in that game.

I liked the realistic look, I hate the command look.

 

[MagnesD3]

Sry double post

 

[MagnesD3]

Pretty much this.


I hope you don't think that she's the 2nd most important member because she's Fox's love interest so his love come's first. Or because she's a telepath or some absurd foolishness.


Love can bloom even on a battlefield. But not on Super Smash Bros' Battlefield.

Also epic quote from mgs3 is epic.

 

[DarkKry4]

God, that OP is bad. I mean really bad.

Well, I do think Krystal is getting a bit exceesive amount of flak. DarkKry4 in particular seems to enjoy trolling the thread.

what pray tell would be the "flak" she is getting? Theres nothing wrong with telling people she has no chance. Being honest isn't a crime. If so, then throw me in jail.

He stated in more recent interviews that they did not make any cuts yet, but also that they're done taking requests/working on characters themselves now. That statement could have been just a general assumption that they won't be able to make everyone work, and that people shouldn't get their hopes up for a DBZ-sized roster (usually well over 50+ characters).

If anything, he could have made the statement AFTER finalizing the roster, which may or may not include Krystal. There's next to no way we'd know.

Where is this interview about "no-cuts yet"?

Here you go, all sources!

http://gamerant.com/nintendo-characters-new-smash-bros-wii-u-3ds-riley-135013/
http://www.ign.com/blogs/blackarach...r-smash-bros-wii-u-and-3ds-roster-predictions
http://www.thetoptens.com/wanted-ssb4-characters/
http://thekoalition.com/2013/05/ten-characters-that-could-be-in-the-next-super-smash-bros/

These are all entirely editorial and don't really prove anything about popularity. In fact, the IGN one is a USER BLOG from a random site user. Not an actual article from the site :/

Theres a couple ridiculous things these "writers" wrote. For instance, they all seem to be pulling for her just because shes a female and the game needs more girls :/ (horrible reason)

Whats the point in adding someone just because they have a vagina? Especially if the female in question holds no importance to nintendo whatsoever.

The IGN user blog actually stated that "she would be a great replacement for Wolf" O_o That won't happen unless the smash producers turn ********. Wolf and Falco are staying.

As for the Koalition article. They actually said "Having missed the chance to include her in Brawl despite her overwhelming popularity (), Nintendo can remedy this by including Krystal as a fighter and replacing both Fox and Falco ( ) on the roster". I don't even need to say anything about that. The stupidity speaks for itself.

Star Fox is not relevant... Yeah, of course. And The Legend of Zelda is the worst series ever...sarcasm SF64 was one of the best sellings on the N64.

Yes, They USED TO sell good (and the popular games were the ones without Krystal in them) but now its been like 7 years since the last Star Fox game. They certainly don't deserve more reps over games that sell more and are still popular.

But in any event. Arguing this kind of stuff on the internet it's just pointless. I support Krystal for the next SSB game, as a Star Fox Fan, and I think that she might be in the game, MY OWN PERSONAL OPINION. And if you don't like it, well.. Write some poetry? That will help you for sure.

I have an opinion too. It just so happens to be the correct opinion. Krystal will not be in the game. People are setting themselves up for disappointment if they really do think that. Lets all remember how shes was excluded in Brawl. I dont' see them adding her or any new star fox character with no new game out.

 

[DarkKry4]

Given your history, regardless of what I showed or said, your extreme bias would outright dismiss it.

"1. Krystal - She doesnt fit in. I kind of find her to be too sexual(nice way of saying it) to be in this game."

Look familiar? You made this post back in April 2007. It's obvious that nothing has changed since then and it seems that this is the brass tacks of your objection against her instead of genuinely logically objections like you claim. Your hatred of Krystal, a cartoon character I might add, borders on obsessive. Of the 70 posts you've made this year, 29 have been about Krystal (roughly 41%) while 53 have been arguing with people about the characters they want (roughly 76%). This shows that you're either a troll or excessively aggressive with your opinions. If I ran into a person who I ended up getting in an argument with 3 out of every 4 times I ran into them, I would probably avoid them like the plague. I mean, it's fine to have an opinion and all but you seem to have a long history of swinging yours around like a baseball bat.

wow you actually looked at my post history? Really unnecessary lol.

And since when is Krystal a cartoon character? :/ For one thing she came from a video game. But no i don't hate her. I'm just being real about things. You see, sometimes people need a reality check. Remember how everyone back then thought she was a "shoo-in" for Brawl. Well they were wrong and for a reason. I wasn't here much to tell them the harsh truth that Krystal simply isn't important (Hello! Secondary character in the Star Fox games that weren't even big sellers) or popular enough (Yes she has a small following on Smash Boards but lets be serious). Being a girl or having "potential for a cool moveset" (yes some dunderhead actually said this) is not a reason someone is gonna be more likely to be put in Smash -_-

I mean do these reasons really sound logical to you? I hope not. If i'm not here to provide the realist opinions and be blunt, then people will go crazy just like last time when she wasn't in (some of them ended up flaming Wolf too). Sometimes you have to break the news early to the ones who are sort of deluded.

As for your rebuttals, I really don't feel like digging up the Miiverse posts just to have them outright dismissed so I'll simply do this instead:

http://smashboards.com/threads/the-...y-votes-hit-1500.324324/page-31#post-15670615

She's 7th on this site with 239 votes and 7th overall with 565. Considering the expansive polling pool Shortie has made for this poll, I think it's strongly indicative that she is, in fact, popular. "She's not that popular in Japan." Well, it's a good thing that Sakurai has gone on record multiple times throughout the years that he doesn't only consider the wishes of the Japanese then.

As for the sales of the three Starfox games with Krystal in them, the grandeur of how much of a nonsequitor this argument is simply has to be addressed. Where has Sakurai ever stated that sales are a main driving force in his character selections? Where is the proof that sales for these three games were because of Krystal and not, oh I don't know, the fact that they were extremely mediocre games? You seem to make a mental connection that these games didn't do very well specifically because of Krystal which, again, shows an extreme bias where you honestly believe that your opinions are accurate, objective reflections of reality.

Given what I've presented here, I feel that no matter what is said here you will continue with your opinions and I will continue with mine and, with that being said, why do you want to have a online presence that's overwhelmingly defined by confrontation? Is getting in people's faces about inconsequential opinions really what you want your calling card to be? Again, I think there's a better way to spend your time here.

Sure she ranked high on a random poll in where only hardcore gamers would even know the characters but does that really indicate anything? Hardcore gamers know her but the general public are unaware of her existence. And the entire staff working on this game is still japanese. I wouldn't take that quote too seriously. Otherwise why would Wolf be in Brawl over her? It was due to requests of japanese fans.

And it may have not been stated by Sakurai but it does matter. Or else pokemon wouldn't have the amount of reps it has. No one is gonna play as a character they've never heard of. The low sales of the games shes been in + there not being a recent game shows that shes not relevant enough for the new smash. And she doesn't have the excuse of being a retro character either (she debuted on the gamecube).

I should also note that a lot of people outside these boards agree with me and think her chances are ZERO. Some are even hoping shes going to be written out of existence if they ever Reboot starfox.

Both of these are different Rate Their Chances threads. And as you can see the opinions didn't change with those 2 year gaps. A lot of people still do not care for her.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/633202-super-smash-bros-for-wii-u/66656484 - 2013
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/633202-super-smash-bros-for-wii-u/59508775 - 2011

Results for the recent one is: Krystal (Star Fox) (27.41% overall, 32.86% on Smashboards and 14.3% on GameFAQs for likelihood; 47.99% overall, 49.54% on Smashboards and 40.45% on GameFAQs in want)

With reading these posts, you can tell shes not as popular as her Smashboard fans say she is.

 

[Shorts]

Who do you think you're conviincing to not like Krystal?

Really? No one is changing their mind, and you're in a thread dedicated to people who want to see her playable. Smash bros criteria is:

1. Be on a Ninty Platform (check)
2. Be of Video Game Origin (check)
3. Be able to fight/do something (check)
4. Make people want to play the game/popular (check)

And, I think it's evident Sakurai has been looking back at his pre-brawl poll when he picked some characters. Mostly because he referenced Sonic's popularity (beating out Mega Mans) in one of the interviews he had recently. if he was looking at polls right now, that would be irrelevent.

Really, nothing you say matters. She's popular enough. She's important enough (lol falco), and she's got moveset potential.

She's a perfect Smash candidate.

 

[Deleted member]

Correction on the criteria:
1. The inclusion must make people want to play the game.
2. Must be unique.
3. Must fit into the style of Super Smash Bros.
4. Must contribute to the game balance.

The first two you listed were criteria for 3rd Party characters (and the second one wasn't even something Sakurai said but what people claim he has said), and being "able to fight" was never any sort of criteria.

 

[Fatmanonice]

Stuff.

Make that 31 out of 72 posts this year pertaining to Krystal.

Add in: A few things that gave me a chuckle:

1. Claims to have the correct opinion when opinions are subjective and not objective by definition.

2. Dismisses internet wide poll, calling it random. Posts link to a random poll as a rebuttal.

3. Claims nobody will play as a character they've never heard of (withholding Captain Falcon, Marth, Roy, Mr. Game and Watch, Ice Climbers, Pit, ROB, Ness, Lucas, Olimar, and Ike of course).

4. Conjecture... conjecture everywhere.

Why so militant? Relax, it's just a video game.

 

[Mewtario]

On the subject of Krystal "killing the Star Fox series," I don't think it was the character as much as it was the fact that Nintendo has continually handed development off to third party studios. Star Fox on the SNES and Star Fox 64 were developed internally by Nintendo, but then this happened:

Star Fox Adventures: Rare
Star Fox Assault: Namco
Star Fox Command: Q-Games


Also, a single character does not "ruin" a series unless the person who views the series as ruined has been all but actively searching for an excuse to call the series ruined, especially for a game like Super Smash Bros. where you can completely ignore characters at your leisure.

 

[Fatmanonice]

Yeah, Nintendo pretty much treated Star Fox like a beach ball for 4 years. Adventures was okay (but totally not worth the 7 years they took to develop it), I absolutely LOATHED Assault, and I found Command to be "meh" too. I hate to blame Miyamoto but it's totally his fault for not being his usual "you have to jump through this many hoops this exact way to even smell the papers that my past ideas were written on" self when it came to one of his creations and letting other people work on them.

 

[Mewtario]

I've never played any game that included Krystal in it, unless you count the Star Fox characters' secret taunts in Brawl, but from what I've heard and occasionally seen of the three third party original Star Fox games, they placed probably too much emphasis on the plot, and their plots weren't nearly as tongue-in-cheek as Star Fox 64's (where even the developers admitted that they chose deliberately cheesy and cliché lines for dialogue).

 

[Ridley_Prime]

Considering the respect people had for the old Rare with other Nintendo series, I don't think many could bring themselves to even say that "Rare ruined Star Fox" if one were to blame a studios and not Krystal. I dunno, with the old Rare charm the game had it was still very enjoyable even if it wasn't Star Fox-y. I'm sure most who can look past the "formula" can agree.

 

[Mewtario]

Considering the respect people had for the old Rare with other Nintendo series, I don't think many could bring themselves to even say that "Rare ruined Star Fox" if one were to blame a studios and not Krystal. I dunno, with the old Rare charm the game had it was still very enjoyable even if it wasn't Star Fox-y. I'm sure most who can look past the "formula" can agree.

Rare was on its way down by that time; they were on the verge of being acquired by Microsoft, and the abrupt change of plans for the game's direction made during development, combined with Rare being handed a franchise which wasn't originally theirs, meant that the game might not have been as fleshed out a a typical Rare game, while the game's long delay compared to the weird final product most likely washed away the rest of whatever "Rare charm" the game might have had.

 

[IsmaR]

I think it was more or less the combined impact of so many changes from the normal formula they had used up until then pertaining to the series.

1) The whole "taking a completely independent Rare IP and plastering StarFox on it" thing. In the end it was truly neither game, yet wound up being "both" in a rather sloppy effort. That said, it was, as Prime put it, charming in that old Rare way. And as its own game, cliche story be damned.

2) At the point in time it came out, the Gamecube was already a questionable console doing questionable things (releasing without a Mario title, that whole "kiddy image" fiasco, not being on par with PS2/Xbox graphics, etc.). A title with a scantily clad vixen pasted on the front and being "re-envisioned" as StarFox IN SPACEWITH DINOSAURS, while awesome in theory, just did not help any of those problems. I can imagine the sour taste left in most fans' mouths was the culmination of it not being "StarFox" like the glorified 64, and them not liking the system itself, rather than not liking the game for what it is (cue joke that Adventures is a decent Zelda game here).

3) Quite the literal case of GanondorfStarFox hijacking the plot, both on the protagonist side and the antagonist side (Fox and Andross over Krystal and General Scales, respectively). Quite a few supporters of Krystal like the potential she has as a unique character rather that how she was actually portrayed (Dinosaur Planet 64/Adventures Fox combat system with the staff). Krystal's just kind of the big target/easy scapegoat to say theyruineditforever rather than fans admitting the series went downhill due the above mentioned reasons of Nintendo simply not caring enough.

That all considered, THEN the relatively small yet portrayed as huge "rabid part" of the fanbase scaring all the poor innocent minded people to hell. I won't open that can of worms as its been done numerous times, and nothing good usually comes of it, but I find it silly that people resort to using it as a reason to blame her "so-called popularity" entirely on, especially when the inverse could be said about people who don't like the character JUST because of the aforementioned focus group. Which I think is stupid for any character, not just her..

 

[Fatmanonice]

Adventures wasn't worth the hype they tried to give it and, as I said, what we got after being in development for a freakishly long time was essentially a watered down Zelda game. Assault was horrendous because, as you said, it was overly serious and the land segments were clunky as all get out. Command was stuffed with drama but I found it interesting how they tried to develop the characters and I liked how each of the characters got their own unique ship with its own characteristics. A lot of the endings were eye rollingly goofy too and it had more of the humor that was in Star Fox 64 that Assault seemed to outright forget to add in its own game.

 

[Ridley_Prime]

Rare was on its way down by that time; they were on the verge of being acquired by Microsoft, and the abrupt change of plans for the game's direction made during development, combined with Rare being handed a franchise which wasn't originally theirs, meant that the game might not have been as fleshed out a a typical Rare game, while the game's long delay compared to the weird final product most likely washed away the rest of whatever "Rare charm" the game might have had.

While that's true about the timing of the Rare and M$ fiasco, I don't think the final version of Adventures washed away what was left of the Rare charm at the time. It was still there in the game, I felt. Adventures not being fully fleshed out because of what happened during the delay might be true though, but even that can't be fully proven.

 

[Mewtario]

Adventures wasn't worth the hype they tried to give it and, as I said, what we got after being in development for a freakishly long time was essentially a watered down Zelda game. Assault was horrendous because, as you said, it was overly serious and the land segments were clunky as all get out. Command was stuffed with drama but I found it interesting how they tried to develop the characters and I liked how each of the characters got their own unique ship with its own characteristics. A lot of the endings were eye rollingly goofy too and it had more of the humor that was in Star Fox 64 that Assault seemed to outright forget to add in its own game.

On the other hand, I'm friends on Steam with someone who is a considerable Star Fox fan, who felt that Assault did a better job of character development while Command was a terrible game between its melodrama and how it attempted to flat out end the series (and in a bad enough way where Nintendo doesn't consider the game canon).

Between whether Command or Assault was better and whether Krystal ruined the series or not has lead to so many breaks in the fandom that, now that I think about it, the fans are most likely to blame for "ruining Star Fox," because they can't agree on whether any game after 64 is good, and sales suffer as a result because of those who can't be convinced to buy a particular game in the series.

 

[BlindFox]

Theres a couple ridiculous things these "writers" wrote. For instance, they all seem to be pulling for her just because shes a female and the game needs more girls :/ (horrible reason)

Whats the point in adding someone just because they have a vagina? Especially if the female in question holds no importance to nintendo whatsoever.

I think you missed the part about the part about how nice would it be to have a character with a different playstyle, and the part of the dinosaurs. I mean, who doesn't want to see goddamn dinosaur?

Well, it seems quite obvious. SB roster is mainly filled with male characters, so it seems correct to add some females that could bring something new such as Palutena, that girl from Fire Emblem (I don't rememberthe name) Krystal, Dixie Kong, Rosalina, Tetra, Impa, Captain Syrup, Lip, and some other more. I mean... Why should I be mad at it? These are some awesome characters!

Take a look at street fighter, all the characters have an exquisite and awesome design, and we almost have the same amount of Guys and Girls. I mean, Chun Li is a female, and she is one of the best fighters. See my point?

Yes, They USED TO sell good (and the popular games were the ones without Krystal in them) but now its been like 7 years since the last Star Fox game. They certainly don't deserve more reps over games that sell more and are still popular.

Who's been talking about the last 7 years? I was talking about 64 :I And who are you to say that a Franchise in particular don't DESERVE something? Pathetic. I want to see newcomers for every franchise, and you should want that too, I mean, every gamer will love that.

I have an opinion too. It just so happens to be the correct opinion. Krystal will not be in the game. People are setting themselves up for disappointment if they really do think that. Lets all remember how shes was excluded in Brawl. I dont' see them adding her or any new star fox character with no new game out.

Man... How could I be so wrong! Dang! My all life is a lie.. You're the master, the boss, the king of the opinions. The universe spins on your direction, you're the center of the universe! The universe of the opinions! Yeah, the opinion, it's something subjective, but f*ck it, you're the king, we all have to accept yours and kneel before your ideas.

This is ridiculous as heck. As much as I don't support your points, I still respect them, man, it's your opinion. But saying that your opinion is the correct one? Jeez this is so selfish.

I've seen other posts that you posted on other threads. In all of them your beeing aggressive and want to put your opinion over the others, that's not good, I mean, it can't be. You should think about it.

With you, I'm done. You don't want s*it, and I want a new SSB fiilled with fun and cool characters. Because THAT'S THE POINT. Having fun. I mean, take a look at my signature. I would discuss something about (for example) something that happened in some storyline, like Mass Effect 3 ending. That's something that can be discussed for sure, and I'd be glad to. But we're talking about characters that we want in the next game and opinons... Anyway..

It's a game afterall, you shouldn't get crazy because some people want to see a character that they want (Krystal) on the next game. If she is in the final roster, I will enjoy the game. If not, I will still f*cking enjoy the game! SSB is a great game! And you should too.

And now let's put something funny and stupid to calm down the situation :D

 

[FalKoopa]

Man... How could I be so wrong! Dang! My all life is a lie.. You're the master, the boss, the king of the opinions. The universe spins on your direction, you're the center of the universe! The universe of the opinions! Yeah, the opinion, it's something subjective, but f*ck it, you're the king, we all have to accept yours and kneel before your ideas.

I lol'd at this part. Well said.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

I support her, but then I support a lot of characters (as my signature shows) just based on concepts I can see working for them.

But I'm never in this thread, because Jesus the divide. No character divides the Smash fan base like Krystal.

*creeps back out of thread slowly*