Pretty in pink or true in blue, Krystal for Sm4sh!

[Guybrush20X6]

I agree, it's in Sakurai's hands and until we get confirmation her chances are as good as any... unless there's some interview where he said he will kill all blue foxes in the world given half a chance I'm unaware of.

 

[Ultinarok]

Well we're never going to get a SF game that stars her, the largest role she'll probably have would've been in Adventures. The most I can see for her is a role larger than the other SF members (other than Fox ofc).

She'd probably get in eventually if we had one or two new Starfox games that did fairly well and featured her prominently among the cast. That's my guess.



No, her game is technically "first party" as Nintendo owns all the rights to it since it was part of an existing IP owned by them. Had it stayed as Dinosaur Planet, then it'd be third-party, and Nintendo wouldn't currently own any of the rights.

Its true that its first party, but when a character's most important game was made by a different company that has defected to a rival platform, it doesn't bode well for that character, especially when she has only three major games featuring her (Adventures, Assault and Command), with only one having her in a prominent role. Slippy and Peppy have more credibility than Krystal, just based on sheer number of games and importance to the series.

 

[Frostwraith]

Krystal or not, I think Star Fox getting a 4th rep is a stretch. The series is not very prominent nowadays and only had one game deemed successful (Star Fox 64).

 

[Ultinarok]

Compared to several of the characters that are in the game she deserves it, falco, toon link and lucario need to be dropped for good.

Falco has and always will be more significant to Starfox than Krystal, because he's the right-hand man and a popular and well-liked character whose been in the franchise since day one. Toon Link represents the entire "cartoony" Zelda franchise, which in itself is much more popular and has sold better than every game Krystal has been in combined. Saying such characters should be dropped kills your credibility. You might as well say they should get rid of Ganondorf too, since he's a semi-clone like TL and Falco. Forget that he's a more deserving character than most.

Lucario has lost some relevance but is still popular and has a novelty moveset and game mechanic. The only reason they'd remove him is that he's neither a "classic" pokemon or a brand new one.

 

[Bowserlick]

I would not be surprised if Wolf was removed and more time was spent on making Falco's specials even more different and designing other characters.

 

[Ultinarok]

I would not be surprised if Wolf was removed and more time was spent on making Falco's specials even more different and designing other characters.

I hope not. Wolf is my favorite Brawl character by far. His moveset is extremely unique as it is and he's pretty popular. I would hope Sakurai would keep him. Then again, look at Mewtwo...

 

[Bowserlick]

I like Wolf as well, despite protesting him preBrawl in favor of Andross (with a body).

I just feel like he is one of the more vulnerable characters. However, his A moves are nice, he just needs some unique specials and of course, a new Final Smash.

New specials make more sense on Wolf than Falco. Although I hope they keep pushing Falco's innovative approach to Fox's weapons such as the reflector.

Now as for Krystal, I am leaning against her in my predictions.

 

[Ridley_Prime]

Even counting the specials, Wolf's already much more different from Fox than Falco as it is, so removing him while focusing on making Falco more different would just be an asshole thing to do. And I didn't have a problem with Wolf's specials except for his up B having terrible recovery.

 

[Shorts]

I agree, it's in Sakurai's hands and until we get confirmation her chances are as good as any... unless there's some interview where he said he will kill all blue foxes in the world given half a chance I'm unaware of.

Not that I know of. There's the "Who?" rumor, but I don't think that's true. There's a rumor that when people were shouting out character names during an interview (Where Olimar, Sonic, and Master Chief were suggested) someone said Krystal and he was like "Who?". But there's no real documentation of it. It's kinda like the whole Sakurai deconfirming Toad on the Melee site.

 

[Gallowglass]

I just thought about this idea for a new Starfox game. What if the makers of Sin and Punishment did it. Sure the plot wouldn't make any sense but there will be a ton of epic rail shooting going on! I was also thinking of a level where you play Krystal similar to the actual sin an punishment game. She runs through this gauntlet of enemies shooting enemies all around but when they get near she can use it as a melee attack. I think that would be fricken sweet.

 

[MagnesD3]

Ok only drop toon link, rework falco and lucario.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Ok only drop toon link, rework falco and lucario.

How about we drop no one and just rework everyone?

 

[FalKoopa]

Ok only drop toon link, rework falco and lucario.

What does this have to do with Krystal?

 

[MagnesD3]

What does this have to do with Krystal?

It just has to with what I said earlier, I thought about it and falco is really popular as well as lucario and I think their movesets can be reworked so I think they can stay but toon link imo needs to go and his speed needs to be applied to making link better.

 

[FalKoopa]

toon link imo needs to go

No.

his speed needs to be applied to making link better.

Yes.

 

[MagnesD3]

No.

Yes.

I just dont think toon link has that much importance, he seems like was just shoe horned in yah know, I mean they could make him have a unique moveset based off his tools in wind waker but idk If its worth the character slot, I feel everyone just wants a better link, Idk I just dont think he is worth it.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Sakurai didn't intend Toon Link to be a better Link.

 

[FalKoopa]

I just dont think toon link has that much importance, he seems like was just shoe horned in yah know, I mean they could make him have a unique moveset based off his tools in wind waker but idk If its worth the character slot, I feel everyone just wants a better link, Idk I just dont think he is worth it.

There were a fair bit of requests during pre-brawl from what I've heard. Good for Toon link, the release of Wind Waker HD almost cements his place now.

Anyways, if you want to continue the discussion, bring it to the Toon Link thread. We're way off-topic here.

 

[Shorts]

Well interesting ideas Magnus, but they don't really have to do with Krystal. Thanks for the bump though ~

 

[MagnesD3]

Well interesting ideas Magnus, but they don't really have to do with Krystal. Thanks for the bump though ~

Here's one, Krystal is awesome!!! her staff makes an easy/coolmoveset, (everybody knows this though.)

 

[Ultinarok]

I just dont think toon link has that much importance, he seems like was just shoe horned in yah know, I mean they could make him have a unique moveset based off his tools in wind waker but idk If its worth the character slot, I feel everyone just wants a better link, Idk I just dont think he is worth it.

While I understand what you mean, Toon Link IS important because he represents one half of the current Zelda franchise. Every other Zelda game released is set in the "toon" universe: Wind Waker, Phantom Hourglass, Minish Cap, Four Swords Adventures and Spirit Tracks, plus now Wind Waker HD and in a way, A Link to the Past 2. He is significant because he represents so much of the franchise that the adult Link, Zelda and Ganon don't.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Can we get back on track?

I heard Krystal is kind of disliked among the Japanese SF fandom, because her existence ruins any hope for canon yaoi pairings. People will defend that Fox?Falco ship with their lives as it sinks.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Can we get back on track?

I heard Krystal is kind of disliked among the Japanese SF fandom, because her existence ruins any hope for canon yaoi pairings. People will defend that Fox?Falco ship with their lives as it sinks.

Maybe that's why Wolf was in the game O_O

 

[Curious Villager]

Can we get back on track?

I heard Krystal is kind of disliked among the Japanese SF fandom, because her existence ruins any hope for canon yaoi pairings. People will defend that Fox?Falco ship with their lives as it sinks.

Isn't that normal with most yaoi fans? They hate any female character who gets in the way of their yaoi shipping's. It's a stupid reason to hate any female character, really. >_>

 

[FalKoopa]

Ugh... Yaoi. (>_>)

I hope they aren't the majority of the Japanese SF fanbase.

 

[N3ON]

Wolf has always been more popular than Krystal in Japan (where I don't think they hate her, at least not more than she's "hated" here. She just doesn't have a huge amount of popularity - she still has a little), and even in the west their popularity was pretty close around Brawl's time. Honestly though I suspect the reason Wolf made it into the game was because his moveset was based on Fox's. If we were to have either gotten a SF character with a totally new and original moveset or no new SF character at all, I suspect we would have gotten the latter.

 

[Ultinarok]

Can we get back on track?

I heard Krystal is kind of disliked among the Japanese SF fandom, because her existence ruins any hope for canon yaoi pairings. People will defend that Fox?Falco ship with their lives as it sinks.

This makes me lol. I certainly hope this isn't true because that's kinda...sad.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

I thought Krystal wasn't too popular in Japan, because Japan typically doesn't like any Starfox game after 64.

It's a shame too. Adventures was okay and Assault was great!

 

[FlareHabanero]

I certainly hope this isn't true because that's kinda...sad.

It's a legit thing. When it comes to a cast of characters that primarily male, it's to be expected. The questionable banter the characters sometimes go through doesn't help ether.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

And if we're talking questionable Star Fox quotes, this has to be put here. Sorry.

Some 700th post huh?

 

[Swamp Sensei]

It's a legit thing. When it comes to a cast of characters that primarily male, it's to be expected. The questionable banter the characters sometimes go through doesn't help ether.

Questionable banter?

Which Starfox are you talking about?

 

[N3ON]

More people dislike Krystal in Japan because they dislike the post-64 games (same dumb Krystal ruined SF argument) than because she ruined their favourite shipping. And again, it's not that she's super disliked, it's just that she doesn't have the same popularity she does in the west.

 

[Curious Villager]

That reminds me of when the Layton fandom used to be obsessed with the Layton/Luke shipping's before Claire and Emmy came along. Which was quite the disturbing days I'd rather forget. But now that I know the truth about Emmy, I'm not really liking the Layton/Emmy shipping that is going on currently either now. Yes there was Flora and Arianna for Luke but hardly anyone ever remembers them.

Uhm... off topic stuff aside. That would really suck if Krystal really is disliked in Japan because of that.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Also because of that huge base breaker stigma, Krystal is not exactly even remotely close to being a guarantee. If people dislike the character, the character is very likely to be skipped over because of that.

 

[Shorts]

Boosh. She's no garunetee, but she's not going to be skipped over because there are internet loudmouths who don't like her. My polls have consistently shown that she's top 15 most wanted Smash character since 2010. And Sakurai has his Brawl poll results that probably show a similar thing. She's a popular choice, regardless of the people who dislike her.

The hatebase is most definitely outweighed largely by a fan base.

 

[N3ON]

Also because of that huge base breaker stigma, Krystal is not exactly even remotely close to being a guarantee. If people dislike the character, the character is very likely to be skipped over because of that.

Unless more people like the character than dislike the character, or the character has a large amount of popularity despite also being disliked.

I'm not saying Krystal has a good chance at inclusion or anything, but if she hypothetically did, like if... let's say we got like two SF games between Brawl and now and both had Krystal in them, then even though she'd still have her haters, she'd also have a lot of popularity and a good shot at inclusion. It's not her haters stopping her from being included, it's her series's current situation, the already abundant amount of SF characters, and her higher meriting competition.

 

[Shorts]

Really though, I don't think Sakurai looks at character choices like we all do. He doesn't go "Well, this character definitely deserves to be in on these merits because A B and C, therefore, I'll add them". I'm inclined to believe all that really goes into it is what he says goes into it. Sakurai likes the under dog, he likes the lesser known characters as well. So it's not even that a character needs to show up more than even once in a series to be included.

It comes down to if he thinks they would be a cool character, not really anything else.

 

[Ultinarok]

Really though, I don't think Sakurai looks at character choices like we all do. He doesn't go "Well, this character definitely deserves to be in on these merits because A B and C, therefore, I'll add them". I'm inclined to believe all that really goes into it is what he says goes into it. Sakurai likes the under dog, he likes the lesser known characters as well. So it's not even that a character needs to show up more than even once in a series to be included.

It comes down to if he thinks they would be a cool character, not really anything else.

I'm not sure about that. From an economic standpoint, it makes sense to incorporate characters that the buyers will want to play as rather than the ones he likes personally. If one man had that much executive power in making a game, there would be huge problems. There's a good chance he doesn't make these decisions alone. He has programmers and other co-workers to consult, and a loyal fanbase to please. So if his fans are opposing a character and they don't seem important to the staff, they likely won't get in. Krystal included, especially if the Japanese don't like her.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

I'm not sure about that. From an economic standpoint, it makes sense to incorporate characters that the buyers will want to play as rather than the ones he likes personally. If one man had that much executive power in making a game, there would be huge problems. There's a good chance he doesn't make these decisions alone. He has programmers and other co-workers to consult, and a loyal fanbase to please. So if his fans are opposing a character and they don't seem important to the staff, they likely won't get in. Krystal included, especially if the Japanese don't like her.

Pretty much this. He is still working for Nintendo. If Sakurai decided to include a bunch of random generic enemies instead of the most popular characters, do you think Nintendo would keep him on the project? Most likely not.

He has to pick characters that are popular, and that make sense.

 

[Frostwraith]

*checks thread*
*sees shipping topic*

Shipping wars are just stupid. I mean, hating a character because it sinks your imaginary pairing? Seriously?

On-topic: I don't hate Krystal (but I don't exactly like her either), but I don't believe Star Fox will get a new character. Same goes for F-Zero and EarthBound.

I do agree that Krystal has her potential. Her staff isn't just for show, after all.