Meh, regardless of that article, I still don't think sheick is come back playable. These guys are making thier interpretation of what was said. Just because it was cuoted that the models were made and are being tweaked for use in brawl, it doesn't automatically mean they will be playable. For all we know, Sheick could be an AT. Still needs an articulated model, but not for character purposes.
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Prepare to be Astounded One Last Time: Wiseguy’s Brawl Predictions THE FINAL VERSION!
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Bajef8
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wiseguy can you at least bumpmy roster predictions up to a 7. 6.9 is so close and i'll feel like i'm awesome.
Vagrant Lustoid
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Or you could set about and improve the list mayhaps?
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Alright, another double update! YAE! 
Edit; F*** double updates, TRIPLE UPDATE! OPA!!!!
And your link was wierd Legolastom, could you try redoing it please [since I think the Hylia is one of the greatest Zelda sites out there].
Edit; F*** double updates, TRIPLE UPDATE! OPA!!!!
OOT is the split obviously. And I never said WW was inbetween OOT and TP, but rather TP inbetween OOT [earlier], and WW [later].
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXN1BF65WjI
And your link was wierd Legolastom, could you try redoing it please [since I think the Hylia is one of the greatest Zelda sites out there].
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Double post, my bad.
FrozenRoy
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Just a little question.
With the advent of major music updates, will you be adding any music predictions?
With the advent of major music updates, will you be adding any music predictions?
Numa Dude
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Todays update was beatiful.... I cryed because of the awesomeness.
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Indeed! It seems the Brawl soundtrack is going to be frickin' huge. If all the music is of the calibur we've been hearing so far, I'm sure gonna be happy.
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Ok here is the deal TP is between OOT and WW... but in a different dimension so it doesn't really matter.Alright, another double update! YAE!
Edit; F*** double updates, TRIPLE UPDATE! OPA!!!!
OOT is the split obviously. And I never said WW was inbetween OOT and TP, but rather TP inbetween OOT [earlier], and WW [later].
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXN1BF65WjI
And your link was wierd Legolastom, could you try redoing it please [since I think the Hylia is one of the greatest Zelda sites out there].
And just go to the www.thehylia.com/forums and go to "The Book of Mudora" thats where all the timelines and proof n such is.
(Very interesting actually and it could help you clear a lot of things up).
And yhea Zentendo and The Hylia FTW!! (Zentendos a bit... lacking though).
Ferro De Lupe
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Bumpity Bumpity Bump!
jimmysilverrims
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BUUUUUUUUUUUUMP!!!
But seriously, how about the latest updates? It gives us a bit of an inside look at Brawl, not just it's music. For instance, they apparently have an options section and the picture of the stage is painted on Brawl style. I like th idea of CDs and having music from other games. The Smashinng Composers thread must be having a ball with this one!
But seriously, how about the latest updates? It gives us a bit of an inside look at Brawl, not just it's music. For instance, they apparently have an options section and the picture of the stage is painted on Brawl style. I like th idea of CDs and having music from other games. The Smashinng Composers thread must be having a ball with this one!
jimmysilverrims
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Bump I bump am bump sorry bump for bump the bump double bump post. Bump.
Legolastom
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Yhea don't double post and don't just bump XS
But where is JK1...
But where is JK1...
Numa Dude
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REGIGIGAS DEMANDS A POKEBALL POKEMON PREDICTION LIST!
Legolastom
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You know Wiseguy hates Pokemon?
An AT one is more likely (If he can be bothered)
An AT one is more likely (If he can be bothered)
Numa Dude
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Wiseguy already has an AT prediction list (which he has updated once since he made it several months ago) and I don't care how bad he hates pokemon. When a Regi asks you to do something you do it. Regirock once broke my thumb for not doing his laundry.
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Regi is a wimp fopr the first hour he is out of his PokeBall all it takes is a simple kick and he is dead!
(He would make a stage / Pokeball though)
Yhea a stage! fighting on RegiGigas's back!
(He would make a stage / Pokeball though)
Yhea a stage! fighting on RegiGigas's back!
Numa Dude
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Regigigas= Boss material.
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I dont really like REGIGIGAS
Brawlmatt202
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He reminds me of Giygas from EarthBound...
REGIGIGAS DEMANDS A POKEBALL POKEMON PREDICTION LIST!
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Personally, I think all the Regis are quite lame. As are Dialga, Palkia and Arceus. I'm very much against the idea of ridiculously powerful pokemon, in the manner of controlling all of time, space or the universe. The legendaries have begun to really bite in terms of their characters/backstory. Stats are fine, but not the actual characters... D/P is pretty fun so far though, despite the ****y Legendaries.
For pokeballs? Jigglypuff! Doing its sing move. Cause I kind of hope she'll be out, given the three-in-one Pokemon Trainer. I want Tropius, cause it's awesome, but I doubt it'll appear. Oh, and I also wanna see Sableye or Spiritomb. Not sure what they'd do, but they're vaguely notable for being the only pokemon without any weaknesses, so I'd like to see one of them.
For pokeballs? Jigglypuff! Doing its sing move. Cause I kind of hope she'll be out, given the three-in-one Pokemon Trainer. I want Tropius, cause it's awesome, but I doubt it'll appear. Oh, and I also wanna see Sableye or Spiritomb. Not sure what they'd do, but they're vaguely notable for being the only pokemon without any weaknesses, so I'd like to see one of them.
Wiseguy
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I'm trying to tone down my wall of pains (I hardly have the time anymore) but here's a mini wall. Thanks to Ferro and Jimmysilvers for bumping the thread.
Gamespot: 100% agreed. They suck big time.
Twilight Princess vs. Corruption: As much as I love Twilight Princess, Corruption has it beat. Being designed from the ground up for the Wii, the controls give the game a far more "next gen" feel as they are probably the best controls in FPS history. Both feature incredible boss battles, but the bosses in Corruption (particularly the one's late in the game) offer a much greater challenge. And yeah, the music is pretty mind blowing.
Zelda timeline: I'm not sure we can resolve this one, my friend. It might be best if we agreed to disagree.
QUOTE=Numa Dude;2862655]
I don't see how you can say to me we can't be sure of anything when in the face of evidence you say Shiek won't return. [/QUOTE]
Touche'
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Sorry JK1, but I think we'll have to call you the victor in this quote war (which I think has been going on for about as long as this thread has existed...) as I'm too worn out to respond to all of your points. Here's a couple quick replies:Gamespot sucks. Giving Majora's Mask a 8.0, Mario Kart 64 a 6.4, Super Mario Sunshine a 8.0, Twilight Princess a 8.8, and Prime 3 a 8.5. Gamespot needs to be shot, have Falcon knee them in the b***s, have Solid Snake slit their throat, and Link slash the crap out of them in the 10,000 foot fall!*calms down* Seriously though, all those games rock. I've played Prime 3 like 3 hours, and it's already a 10/10 game in my mind. Beat MGS2....10/10 game, for sure!
That last line is LIES! NOthing beats Twilight Princess, nothing! Samus might have had a good early fight, but that King Bokoblin fight pwns the ever awsome Ridley pitfalling fight anyday. And btw, you forgot the awsome music. The music is the penical of the series, topping my old favorite Fusion, and crushing it. Only the classic Zelda, Donkey Kong, and Mario music beats it IMO.
I!!!! For king, country, Mario Kart 64, Majora's Mask, Super Mario Sunshine, Twilight Princess, and Corruption, ATTACK!
It's time for a Revolver Ocelot like interogation. "This isn't the geniva [I know I spelled that wrong] convention."
Yes, but wat if it was a conspiracy. Sortal ike MGS2: Sons of Liberty. Wait, I spoiled it, o no, more spoilers. WHY ARE ALL 3 hours of cutscenes so good=??? Seriously, storywise that's the best Metal Gear game, ever. It was worth the $6.
And btw, the WW ending shows Link as a adult, since in the future they never saw him leave as a kid. It's either some famous painting or way he left in the past, or...just a cool picture.
Well Nintendo confirmed TP to take place inbetween OOT and WW. Ganondorf has died 3/4 times. In ALTTP he dies. in TP he dies. In WW he dies. And in OoS and OoA in the secret ending he is revised, then dies. So he ***could*** go back to the dark world and the seal in which he came from, until WW. I'm guessing the sword strike is wat really limits his power in the opening of WW, not really the god's wishes. [hint: The sage incident]
You forgot OoS and OoA, where Ganon is revised, and dies. In ALTTP he also dies, which could be the end of the timeline A, except for OoA or OoS of course.
Capcom did great work, by teaming with Nintendo making the best 2D LOZ in ALTTP [definitely a classic], and making OoS and OoA. Definite classics. In fact, all Zeldas are classics IMO, really.
That was a good retrospective. Saw all 5. Now I need to see more of the Final Fantasy retorspective. Stopped at the whole FF8/9 part.
His return is justified enough in that Mario is the only more reconizable video game character. Period. He needs some M&L decloning, but a Vacuum Moveset seems kinda lame. Maybe as a item or final smash. <_<
But it fails in sales, along with Bomberman. They both wither in fear next to the Metal Gear, Sonic, and Megaman series, for sure.
Fox's dB: Great for hitting opponents down, and the fastest move in the game.
Falco's db: Great for juggling opponents, and mindgaming them into KO'ing them up.
Fox's nB: Great for lots of damage here and there.
Falco's nB: Great for spam to melee and grab comboing them.
Fox's dA: Great for KO's.
Falco's dA: Great for juggling and combos.
Fox's uA: Great for juggling and combos.
Falco's uA: Great for KO's.
Fox's dAir: THE BEST DAMAGE RACKER EVER! [it's super cheap]
Falco's dAir: Exellent meteor smash, and is a super Koing and for bouncing your opponent off the groud [as a combo] move.
See the diffrence=???
That's the SNES [fake] Andross. Andross would hae never been playable, but the N64 [real] Andross could very well be a boss. Hopefully.
*cough* SMRPG, ALTTP.
And for Legolastom, it's all about Captain Falcon going solo, unless Pico or Blood Falcon join him. Deathborne is unworthy, and Black Shadow is a wimp. Black Shadow sucking should go down in the Bible. Seriously.
Gamespot: 100% agreed. They suck big time.
Twilight Princess vs. Corruption: As much as I love Twilight Princess, Corruption has it beat. Being designed from the ground up for the Wii, the controls give the game a far more "next gen" feel as they are probably the best controls in FPS history. Both feature incredible boss battles, but the bosses in Corruption (particularly the one's late in the game) offer a much greater challenge. And yeah, the music is pretty mind blowing.
Zelda timeline: I'm not sure we can resolve this one, my friend. It might be best if we agreed to disagree.
Perhaps, but North America is a key market for Nintendo so it could go either way.
They would be suitable, but just I can't see any of them being chosen over Goroh.
I've not heard that one before. Could you provide a quote please?
Being part of the F-zero series (a rival to Falcon, nonetheless) and one of the origianl four gives him SOME importance to the F-Zero canon, surely.
You might be right, and I'll be the first to congradulate you if it turns out you are correct. However, I still anticipate a smallish roster (35-40) in Brawl with more balanced characters and a greater emphasis on different modes like the subspace emisary. I don't see that as "assuming the worst", just being cautously realistic.
QUOTE=Numa Dude;2862655]
I don't see how you can say to me we can't be sure of anything when in the face of evidence you say Shiek won't return. [/QUOTE]
Touche'
Interesting point. There must be a reason that Battlefield isn't called Battlefield 2.
If it'll make you feel better...
7/10.1
Sure thing! Here's my first 3 Pokeball predictions:
REGIGIGAS DEMANDS A POKEBALL POKEMON PREDICTION LIST!
1) Sqidward
Descirption: The Squidward Pokeball emerges and bruises the player's ego with a sacastic comment and a look that says "Were you born stupid or is it an art you perfected to annoy me?"
2) Jack Bauer
Desciption: The dreaded Jack Bauer Pokeball strikes fear into the hearts of all Smashers. Bauer emerges, and proceeds to use his advanced interogation techniques on the first character he sees. Not only does it take out all the character's stock, but it has a 50% chance of making the player die in real life.
3) Where's Waldo?
Desciption: One of the more annoying Pokeballs, Waldo hides and in the stage background and causes the player to go mad searching more his stupid smiling face, striped shirt and stocking cap. Curse you Waldo!!!!
Devastlian
Smash Lord
Time for a fun round of "Sakurai-san Says!!"
Typical ambiguous answer. :/ (I believe this being Mr. Sakurai's/the last SSB game is merely hearsay as is the part about him going against the Nintendo executives. <_<)
pineappleupsetshark
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Even though I love Pokemon, those are the best Pokeball suggestions I've seen.
Lol, Waldo...
How about you field suggestions, and post 'em up?
Got a couple:
Regice-Icy Wind-Sends a blast of cold wind acros the stage. The wind blows for about ten seconds, before abating.
Regirock-Ancientpower-Regirock shoots out a blast of glowing rocks.
Registeel-Metal Claw-Rapidly lunges forward, and slashes.
Regigigas-Comes out only after all three Regis have come out of Pokeballs within a battle.
Jumps up and down, squashing fighters under its feet.
Kyogre-Freezing?-Kyogre sits on the stage, and is exceptionally cold, freezing everyone who touches it.
Lol, Waldo...
How about you field suggestions, and post 'em up?
Got a couple:
Regice-Icy Wind-Sends a blast of cold wind acros the stage. The wind blows for about ten seconds, before abating.
Regirock-Ancientpower-Regirock shoots out a blast of glowing rocks.
Registeel-Metal Claw-Rapidly lunges forward, and slashes.
Regigigas-Comes out only after all three Regis have come out of Pokeballs within a battle.
Jumps up and down, squashing fighters under its feet.
Kyogre-Freezing?-Kyogre sits on the stage, and is exceptionally cold, freezing everyone who touches it.
PsychoIncarnate
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The only pokemon that I am convinced will appear in Brawl as a poke'ball is: Porygon-Z...
I mean his last 2 forms have been in Smash 64 and Melee...I think Porygon-Z will logically be in Brawl...
I mean his last 2 forms have been in Smash 64 and Melee...I think Porygon-Z will logically be in Brawl...
Numa Dude
Smash Lord
We'll just have to wait and see won't we.
The only reason you say that is because Goroh was overhyped in the eyes of the fans. Instead of being a fanboy and acting like Goroh was the only possible second F-Zero rep why don't you think for a few minutes about why Goroh wasn't chosen like I did and come to your own conclusion that isn't just assuming the worst.
Devastlian already did.
Obviously only enough to be an assist trophy and not playable.
Dude, I made a 40 character roster with 2 F-Zero reps so it's defenitley possible for it to happen. Maybe if you didn't cram so many obscure retro and third party characters in to your roster you would have enough room for one too.
Wiseguy
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Personally, I think that quote is pretty flimsy to jump to the conclusion that Sakurai doesn't consider the popularity of a character at all. It's not the ONLY factor, certainly, (importance in their series of origin, originality of their moveset, etc. are also important) but I suspect that it will still factor into his decision.
Glad you liked them, but I agree: you guys should probably suggest the Pokemon. I'll post these post haiste.
Well, it's like this Numa. Let's say, for the sake of argument, that tommorow Ridley was confirmed to be a non-playable boss character or Assist Trophy. After I finished weaping bitterly, I would probably come to the conclusion that Samus will once again be the only Metroid rep. Sure, I could hold onto hope and say "this totally increases Dark Samus' chances!" but I would probably just be kidding myself. Becuase if a second Metroid character were to make the cut, Ridley would the logical choice.
When I originally made my list, I considered two things:
1) "Will there be a second F-Zero rep?" and 2) "If there is, who would it be?"
Becuase I'm a fan of the series, I decided to aire on the side of optimism and predict a second rep. I then concluded that Goroh was the logical choice for the second rep, since he is Falcon's rival, one of the original four, the most popular character (besides Falcon) and was featured in the Melee intro movie (so Sakurai at least knows who he is). It's not that I thought he was the ONLY choice, but he was certainly the BEST choice, objectively speaking.
The reason I believe Goroh was not included is there is only going to be one character from the series: Falcon. It was always a possibility, and since the logical choice for a second F-Zero rep is an AT it's now looking more likely.
Obviously. Which is why I don't like the chances of other, less known characters in the series.
I agree. It deifintiely is possible. But it is also possible that it won't happen. I just think that the second possibility is more likely.
Numa Dude
Smash Lord
That Ridley analogy is terrible. Metroid is a series with almost no characters besides Samus and villains like Ridley who could be playable while F-Zero has characters up the @$$. You can't compare them because if one F-Zero character is deconfirmed they have like fourty other possible characters while Metroid only has a small few.
Since when has Sakurai followed the same logic as the fans? You may have deduced that Goroh was the best possible second rep but that doesn't mean Sakurai did as well. For all we know Dr. Stewart will be the second F-Zero rep. We have no way of knowing what Sakurai thinks about who would be the best F-Zero character after Falcon so there is no reason to think that after the fan favorite was deconfirmed it means everyone else from F-Zero was deconfirmed.
It doesn't matter one bit who is more well known. All that matters is how important that character is in their series of origin, everything else like popularity and moveset potential are just bonuses that could possibly put them above other equaly important characters.
We are going to have to agree to disagree then.
Ferro De Lupe
Smash Lord
Heh heh heh... Waldo... Heh heh heh...
FrozenRoy
Smash Lord
Some pokeball ideas.
Articuno - Sheer Cold - Articuno comes out, then flies above the screen, freezing the arena. For a short amount of time, the entire field is covered in ice, reducing traction ala-Icicle Mountain.
Togekiss - Air Slash - Togekiss comes out and begins making bombing runs at the stage, brushing just above it, sending wind-slices foward(Think: Fury Cutter). Togekiss does this three times.
Bagon - Headbutt - Like Hitmonlee from Smash 64.
Articuno - Sheer Cold - Articuno comes out, then flies above the screen, freezing the arena. For a short amount of time, the entire field is covered in ice, reducing traction ala-Icicle Mountain.
Togekiss - Air Slash - Togekiss comes out and begins making bombing runs at the stage, brushing just above it, sending wind-slices foward(Think: Fury Cutter). Togekiss does this three times.
Bagon - Headbutt - Like Hitmonlee from Smash 64.
Yukiwarashi
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And there goes Munchlax!
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Well, you can't always be right.
I just hope Wiseguy's predictions about Jigglypuff and Mewtwo no longer being playable aren't right as well.
I just hope Wiseguy's predictions about Jigglypuff and Mewtwo no longer being playable aren't right as well.
pineappleupsetshark
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Ooooh. Burned.
Put Jiggs back on!
Put Jiggs back on!
FrozenRoy
Smash Lord
And Munchlax is OOOOOOOOOUT OF HERE!
jimmysilverrims
Smash Ace
Thank all that is god and holy! Munchlax is merely pokeballed! Huzzah!
But, did anyone look at the item he ate? That's right! Lip's Stick is back in Brawl.
But, did anyone look at the item he ate? That's right! Lip's Stick is back in Brawl.
Bane
Smash Journeyman
Actually, Wise replaced Munchlax with Geno last week, so he's still in the clear.
Wiseguy
Smash Champion
HA! I avoided Sakurai's fiendish trap by removing Munchlax two days ago. Nice try Mr. Smash Bros, but I'm too fast for ya!
But it doesn't have to be Metroid for the analogy to work. If Diddy were deconfirmed K.Rool's chances would not increase. If Ganaondorf were deconfirmed, Vaati's chances would not increase either. Similarly, I take Goroh's absence as a bad sign for other F-Zero characters in general since he appeared to be the obvious choice (to me, at least.)
But I agree: we have no way of knowing either way. All any of us can do is make the best guess possible with the information we have. I guess we just see things differently.
Metroid also has plenty of characters, such as the numerous bounty hunters from Metroid Prime: Hunters and Metroid Prime 3: Corruption.
But it doesn't have to be Metroid for the analogy to work. If Diddy were deconfirmed K.Rool's chances would not increase. If Ganaondorf were deconfirmed, Vaati's chances would not increase either. Similarly, I take Goroh's absence as a bad sign for other F-Zero characters in general since he appeared to be the obvious choice (to me, at least.)
Diddy Kong and Ike are examples of Sakurai seemingly having the same logic as his fans.
But I agree: we have no way of knowing either way. All any of us can do is make the best guess possible with the information we have. I guess we just see things differently.
Hmmm... that sounds about right. But is Pico really more important to the series than Goroh? They're both memebers of the original four, so they've appeared in all the same games.
Fair enough. I guess we'll find out one way or another in the coming months.
Cool. I just posted it.
Good eye. I didn't even notice.
You're studying for that test, right bro?
Bane
Smash Journeyman
Calculus right now: the instantaneous rate of change of y in respect to x on any point f(x)=[f(x1)-f(x0)]/(x1 - x0); as x1 approaches x0...
Wiseguy
Smash Champion
Good to know.
Homelessvagrant
Smash Lord
Now I think we know why The great wiseguy updates his thread dailyish. Munchlax is dead. I think you should put jiggly back in her place as playable, wiseguy.