Oh god, this is going to be the most ridiculous Wall of Pain I've ever done. I'm critiquig Bomberman, WW Link, Isaac, Waluigi, Sheena and Diddy Kong. Bring on the PAIN.
BOMBERMAN
Yes, its me. The Bomberman defender.
Here is my moveset. If it bores you, dont read it and simply flame me. Enjoy!
DJ Napps' Uber Moveset!
STATS:
Speed- ***
Size- ***
Weight- **
Jump- **
Reach- **
Strength- ***
Eh, reasonable stats I guess. I imagined him as being a bit smaller than average, though not as small as Kirby or anything. If his strength is his attack power, and you’re mostly relating it to his explosives, it seems fine.
A- Left-hand jab
AA- Right punch, Left punch
AAA- Strong Uppercut (w/ slight explosion)
Dash A- Head-dive- Bomberman rapidly dives, headfirst, straight ahead of him and headbutts his opponent.
A^- Upward fiery punch
AV- Heavy Stomp (slight explosion)
A<>- Strong kick
Regular Attacks… hrm… They’re basic, but they do the job. Given that they’re plain attacks, I suppose there’s no need to describe them. I am a fan of approximate damage % though, but can’t have it all.
Nair- Hard Slap
Fair- Knee (Bomberman knees opponent in the face)
Bair- Double arm push
Uair- Flipkick
Dair- downward drop-kick
Aerials, well let’s have a look… I don’t quite get how the Double Arm Push is supposed to work, whether it damages or knocks back, or what. Actually, none of them have knockback, which combined with a lack of damage ratings makes it a little difficult for me to imagine his overall effectiveness.
B- Drop Bomb- Hold B 2 secs to hold, continuous holding pumps bomb. If B is pressed when maxium bombs are placed, the bombs would detonate simultaneously.
Drop Bomb is also written a little unclearly. Do you have to hold the button for two seconds before letting go to place the bomb? What happens if you let go early? I’d much prefer simply tapping to drop the bomb, with a two second gap or even a one second gap depending on the strength of the bombs before you can place another.
What’s the maximum number of bombs that can be placed? This would impact on how effective detonating them all at once is. Is it possible to detonate them prematurely? Do they explode if people touch them, or can they only explode once all are placed?
B<>-Bomb Kick/ Soccer Bomb -if a laid bomb is in front of him, Bomberman kicks it forward and it rolls until it hit something. If Bomberman is not in front of a bomb, Bomberman quickly lays a bomb any kicks it while flipping over (like a famous soccer move). It flies through the air quickly and explodes on contact.
BV- Suicide Bomb- Bomberman slams a bomb beneath his feet, quickly flinging him upward and causing slight damage to him. Causes major damage to neighboring enemies
B^- Bomber Copter- Bomberman bursts upward with propeller spinning above him. He is able to fly around freely for around 10 secs.
Christ. Ten seconds is a long time. That’d put his jump at around 4-5 stars, not the two you give him, even if he has short jumps normally. No mention of whether it does damage, how fast he moves like this, and whether you can do anything else while flying for those ten seconds, so I’m dubious about how the move would work.
The Suicide Bomb sounds a little more like a Down Smash than a regular Down B. Speaking of which, I don’t see any Smash Attacks at all, other than the Final Smash.
Grab- Standard two hand grab
Grab Attack- general headbutt
^ Throw- Throws opponent into air and quickly throws a bomb at them
> Throw- Straps bomb to and throws opponent forward
< Throw- Throws opponent behind Bomberman (that's it)
V Throw- Slams opponent on ground on which, they explode on impact.
The down throw is much like Suicide Bomb from the sounds of it. And Forward Throw is, incidentally, almost identical to my Forward Throw for Solid Snake. But then, I guess moves are limited for Bomberman. I mean, all he has are bombs.
Continued grievances with the lack of damage and knockback, but hey.
Final Smash-
Bomberman pumps a legendary Red Bomb to maximum size (around 2x the height of Bowser). Bomberman speed is greatly decreased and cannot jump when carrying the bomb. He is free to throw the bomb wherever he pleases, the bombs explosion radius affects everyone on the stage. Any player hit with the Bomb is instantly knocked off stage or is immobilized and dizzy (with stars flying around their head as in Bomberman 64).
Then, Bomberman jumps on the back of Pommy and rides around the stage with increased speed and jumping ability. He can drop as much as 10 bombs at one time and quickly as desired. Pommy is also able to attack opponents (i.e-biting). Duration: 15 secs.
Slightly powerful don’t you think? From what I can tell, it hits everyone on the stage, but probably not Bomberman himself. And a direct hit kills you almost surely. And aside from the fact that it WILL hit everyone, he can then ride on a beast, moving faster than normal, and do ridiculous levels of bomb-spam from the sounds of it. Cut out Pommy altogether and it’s a more acceptable Final Smash. If rather similar to Mario’s.
Item: Virus! (Skull from Bomberman 64)
-Fire- user spontaneously combusts and is on fire for around 10 secs. User can touch other players which temporarily lits them afire (5 secs). Does damage overtime to user.
-Big- user becomes larger, heavier, and stronger, but slower and much lower jump.
-Small- user becomes smaller, much higher jumps, and faster, but weaker and more easily knocked away.
-Jammed- user cannot stop moving but its able to change direction and jump. Speed increases over time.
-Reverse- all controller moves are reversed. Up is crouch, Down is jump, B is A, etc.
-Ghost- user cannot receive or use physical attacks. User can now hijack an opponent and semi-control them.
-Stun- User can barely move, but can take slightly more damage.
Not technically part of the moveset, but let’s have a look. Fire sounds kind of useless with Fire Flower already there, if it damages the user. Big sounds like the Super Mushroom of Melee, which could return anyway. Small is nearly the same as the poison/Tiny Mushroom… Jammed is somewhat interesting, but I don’t know why you’d want to use it. Not being able to stop could be messy, even if it does make you faster. Reverse is just a nasty thing. Ghost is fine with avoiding and being unable to perform physicals, but semi-controlling them is too much. And Stun just isn’t worth the risk it presents. Not a good item, in my opinion.
Entrance- Rides in on his pet, Pommy. Pommy runs away scared right before the battle starts.
Kirby- Standard pink Kirby but with Bomberman eyes ( | | ) and antennae.
Taunt: Celebrates as in Bomberman 64
Costumes- (similar to Clark's)
White Bomber
Black Bomber
Red Bomber
Blue Bomber
Gold Bomber
Winning Poses-
1.Does backflip and smiles as in Bomberman Hero.
2.Jumps and punches air above him while smiling.
Can Kirby attack the bombs he sets? The costumes are fine, and the poses are satisfactory.
Notes-
-Only 4 bombs can be placed on the field at once.
-Other Bombermen can kick other Bombermen's bombs.
-Any attacks upon a bomb would explode immediately.
-If Bomberman lands on one of his bombs he will do a low bounce. Pumped bombs give him higher bounces.
-All Virus effects (except Fire) has a chance to be passed on to an opponent. Opponents with higher health percentage have a higher chance of receiving the Virus. Its duration is restarted everytime it is passed on.
I'm sure this didn't change your mind about changing Bonk to good 'ol Bman, but hey, its worth a shot....
Okay, this answers some earlier questions, but I can’t be bothered editing what I said before. Eh, the clarifications do make the Special Attacks somewhat better, but I still think Virus is too complex and too much like a multitude of items to be bothered with.
Overall, 7/10. Not a bad effort. I’ll stick with the M-Man rather than the B-Man though.
SHEENA FUJIBAYASHI
- SHEENA FUJIBAYASHI -
Note the seal in her right hand. That's what she attacks with.
Dude, what an awesome character. I’m liking her, but I dunno about her chances. Lloyd just seems more likely. But females are always good. Especially magical ones. Nevertheless, let’s have a look at the moveset.
A Left flick of seal
A,A Left, right flick of seal
A,A,A Left, right, vertical arc of seal
> A Power Seal Pinion - Flicks out a seal and then spins around and attacks again.
V A Crouching low swipe of the seal.
^ A Diagonally up horizontal swipe of the seal.
Dash A Spins and slaps opponent with a backhand seal attack.
Smash
> A Pyre Seal - Flicks out a seal; if it hits, there's a huge explosion of seals. Long lag after use.
V A Spins in place, trailing a full "deck" of seals at a low angle. Hits all around her.
^ A Cyclone Seal - Flicks a seal above her head; if it hits, opponent spins into the air in a tiny cyclone that scatters into some seals.
Gah. No stats and no damage/knockback. I have no idea how much power she’s packing, her speed or how light. Meh. Let’s keep looking. Pyre Seal is cool. As is the Down Smash. Dunno about Cyclone Seal, but could be good to immobilize and attack. Depends on lag and the like though.
Aerial
A Force Seal - A burst of seals flies out from her body, hitting all sides.
> A Frontal downward swipe of her seal.
< A Backflip and swipe down with seal. (Meteor Smash)
V A Throws a couple seals down with a lot of force.
^ A Crosses a pair of seals over her head with an x-shaped swipe.
An omni-directional basic aerial attack? All I can say is that it better be a very weak attack. The other attacks are fairly good, I guess. I dunno if I like the down aerial, and it’s all starting to feel a bit same-y. So to rectify this, onto the Specials!
B Summon: Light - A small area around Sheena starts glowing. It slowly expands out to about two character lengths in both directions. When released, Luna appears and beams of light burst from the heavens, peppering the glowing area and damaging all nearby enemies. The light is stopped by the first ground it hits; if you're not near any ground, it fills the whole screen. (Meteor Smash)
> B Summon: Ice - Celsius appears and releases a pair of low ice beams that have a chance to freeze opponents.
V B Summon: Darkness - Shadow appears behind Sheena and spins in place, knocking away nearby foes.
^ B Summon: Wind - The Sylphs appear, circling Sheena and bearing her skywards for a few seconds before fading away.
Wow. Just wow. The basic B attack sounds like it has significant lag to start up, and is another omnidirectional assault. Huh. It’s just far too powerful for a basic attack, and also too slow. It doesn’t even sound charge optional like other long B attacks.
Ice is fine, as are Darkness and Wind. Does Wind do any damage, how far does it lift her?
Throw
A Slaps their face with a seal.
> Demon Seal - Pushes a seal against their chest and they fly back trailing seals.
< Pulls enemy behind her and then smacks them with a two-handed seal attack.
V Flips into the air slightly, then tosses a bunch of seals into the opponent's head.
^ Tosses them into the air with one hand and smacks them with a seal in the other.
More seals that don’t really do anything. A bit ho-hum by now… and I have no idea of her range or knockback, which is pretty much the most important aspect of throws.
Final Smash
Summon: Origin - Three diamons begin orbiting Sheena; after a second or two, Origin appears and unleashes massive damage to any enemies within the triangle's bounds.
-OR-
Summon: Birth - Maxwell appears, gestures towards the field and five meteors drop across the stage, hitting in quick succession from the left edge of the stage to the right.
Huh, randomized or something? Well, I’m fine with the Final Smash as it is. I like Origin better, cause there are already looking to be a few fiery hell bombing Final Smashes.
Taunt - Shrugs and shakes her head while saying "That's it? I was just getting started."
Kirby Hat - Bow around his midriff and Sheena's hair.
Victory Pose 1 - Puts a seal in front of her, and spins it with a finger. It floats there spinning as she says "Heh heh. Evil doesn't stand a chance."
Victory Pose 2 - Fans out a bunch of seals and fans herself with them, saying "Who's next?"
Victory Pose 3 - A little combo with her seals and then poses, saying "Regret messing with me? Well, it's too late now."
Yeah, yeah, pipe dream probably. But hey, as the not annoying lead female character of a Nintendo distributed and voice-acted (in the US at least) game with an upcoming spin-off? Great Namco representation right there!
Hrm. The B attack for her probably wouldn’t work well for Kirby. He’s too vulnerable to really be waiting for something to happen like Summon: Light. The taunt and poses are fine.
6/10 overall. But I might be being slightly harsh there.
HERO OF THE WIND/WINDWAKER LINK
BTW, here's my Wind Waker Link Moveset ~revised~
nB: Bow: Since I think Link's will be upgraded, WW Link should keep the old one. It should be the fire arrow still, and it should be able have less lag to pull out, for super spamming.
<B>: Boomerang: With Link getting the Gale Boomerang, and it probably is more of a damage racker than stun or impact move, I say WW Link's boomerang should be a good stunner, doing 20% less damage than Link's boomerang. It's stun is perfect for combos, and doing a full on spam charage against your enemy (simliar to Falco's laser, little damage, good impact for high comboability).
Okay, Fire Arrow, check. It’s fine. I dunno whether Arrow Spamming should be necessary, but if the damage is lower, I guess it’s okay.
As for Boomerang, I assume you mean it’s 4/5 as strong as Gale Boomerang, and not 20% damage percentage less, as that’d be in the minus range. And if you wanna spam the Arrows, I don’t think Boomerang should be spammable. It’d take to long to fly to the target and back to spam anyway. But stunning is good. Dunno about good impact (knockback?).
uB: Spin Attack: Spin Attack, Spin Attack, Spin Attack. We love the spin attack, it is a good move (though many overuse it, Link's is great for defensive positioning). It should stay similar to YLink's, being a damage racker, but it should do more damage, and at the end it does a good impact hit, with good stun. With that siad, it wouldn't be a KOable move, unless you get your opponent way up in the 700 percentile area! It can rack up to 17% or 18% damage.
Also, it would be neat is you could hold uB, you do the hurrican spin, with a insane amount of damage racking ability, but little impact and great stun to combo the hell out of your opponents. However, it takes 3 seconds to charge, and it can do up to 40% damage. The final spin slice does good impact and extremely godo stun, hitting your opponent far. However, if you miss the final slash, you'll be vulnerable (dizzy) for 3 seconds. You're vulnerable for 3 seconds even if you hit the final slash on the super spin attack, but the impact is good enough to keep your opponent trying to recover for over 3 seconds.
It is KOable on the light characters around 150%, and for the heaviest of characters around 190%. Hard to work, and it doesn't stop, unless you press B again. It's max time is 6 seconds (it goes insanley fast like MK's nA continual), and for 2 every second you do it, when you press B you're vulnerable (dizzy) for 1 second (2 frames=1 frame vulerable). If your opponent does any non-smash or strong/long range special attack on you and your sword hits it, you run through them.
Also, if your oppnent does a long range attack and hits your blade, you stop doing the spin attack 5 spins (1 spin=2%, and you do 4 spins per second), and then contiunes unless cancelled (in which you won't be vulnerable! . If your opponent does a smash attack or strong melee B attack, then WW Link does 3 less slashes, and you are vulnerable (though you can press Z to cancel). you can control which way you go doing this attack, and can jump (it's like a short hop) while doing this (you'll continue swinging), and it is controlled with the controll stick. Really in depth, lol!
The move just sounds too complex. Dizzyness is fine, but it sounds like it could be a beastly-broken move. And it sounds like it has pretty much unbeatable priority. Now, if this gave no recovery whatsoever and was merely a spinning attack, then I’d be okay with it. Probably.
As for charging the Spin Attack? It’s an interesting concept. Dunno if it would work, but an interesting concept.
Personally, I’d simply keep it like the original Spin Attack from 64. A brief slashing spin that propels you up and does moderate damage and impact.
dB: Bombs: The bombs returning would make WW Link the ultimate spam artillary character! With nB as the fast and chargeable decent damage and some shorter combos, <B> being the stunner and impact for all sorts of combos, the bombs should be the damage racker one. It would be diffrent from bombs in the past, doing 9% damage this time, and taking about 30% the time to pull out (I hate the lag). It does barely any impact (it couldn't even Ko someone at 999% damage most the time0, but it does good stun, and good damage.
Great for long range spamming, and this time WW Link can throw it farther on ground by a good margin over YLink, but just barely further than Y Link in terms of throwing it midair. This is my fav, giving WW Link the most spam attacks in the game, and that gives him so many options of approaching the opponent! Also, combined with WW Link's wavedashing (or wavelanding) (which is decent, about Fox's, if no a tad bit longer) and his shorthopping, he can do a good spam combo, like Falco's shorthop (with or without Wavedashing). Plus, the time to pull out the bombs can be done during wavedashing=options=YES!
Good for recovery, but I feel it is kinda unneccissary, since WW Link would already have the spin attack, and his hookshot and/or grapple hook. But hey, it would work, and you never know, but overall I think it would overpower WW Link, and we want the tiers as balanced as possible, so I'll hold back!
Sorry it is a bit long, but it is very detailed. Hope it's useful, and any comments on my list of WW Link's B moveset would be appreciated! O, and like L Cancel said, Wind Waker Link for Brawl (foos)!
Bomb spamming? No. The character shouldn’t have three types of spamming. Two at most. And bombs not having much knockback seems strange. It’s just overall better to have slower but more damaging mvoes with bomb-throwing, at least that’s how I feel. I don’t think high damage should be able to be rapidly dealt out in a projectile spammish way, especially not when you can blend it with projectile stunning spam and projectile impact spam. It’d just make him the ultimate long range character, and as you said, with wavedashing and shorthopping combos, he’d be at the very upper edge of high tier I fear.
Here, I'll make part of a A moveset:
A: slash downward 3%
AA:sdown slash, rising slash 5% (3%, 2%)
AAA:down slash, rising slash, horizontile (side up) slash 9% (3%, 2%, 4%)
A hold (previously A repeatiately push): same as AAA, but then crazy slashes liuke MK, going in the same order as AAA, but then the opposite side horizontile slash (side down), then the same thing but the other angle of horizontle slashes, then a sideways slash one way, and then another the opposite way, and then repeat.
So now he has unlimited close-range spam as well? No, just no. A, AA and AAA are fine, but the holding A thing is unnecessary and unfair.
running A: WW Link does a quick jump slash forward, most oftenly hitting the opponent's head or upper body (the A counter used against the Darknuts in WW). 7% Decent damage, small impact, and well above aveerage stun for rA attacks.
<A> smash: Jump Slash: Link does a jumping slash, and does good damage. It's basically A forward while in lock-on mode in all the 3D zeldas. In fact, it is exactly like that. 16%-24%. Very comboable, does good impact (good for combos, not KOs), and a bit above average stun.
Is it just me, or did you miss out the Forward A tilt? I thought that the smash was the tilt initially, and nearly gagged. It’s upper range is powerful for a little fellow like Hero of the Wind.
dAtilt: Link does a quick and ever powerful slash down. This does 12% damage, and does good damage, good impact, but only about 5 frames stun max. Good for racking damage, and is sorta like Fox's dAtilt in Melee, though isn't as good for KO'ing opponents.
dAsmash: Same as in Melee, a slash forward and back, but this time with more damaging swings. Each do 15%-23% damage, and does considerably good damage, good impact just enough to move away or to oponents, not really for Koing except in the 200%'s), and little stun.
Good Impact and not able to KO until 200% do not match. I remain confused as to the power of the attack. And two attacks at that damage rating are scary. Just the one slightly more powerful would be more suitable I think.
uAtilt: WW Link swings upward in a sideways upswing, doing small damage, but can be pressed (maybe held like the nA attacks now) for repeatided use. Does 3% damage, but can be repeated as a combo, and has average stun, some impact. After about 15%-20% they can break free (they can also break free before then), but this combo really only works when they are in the 0%-40% percentiles, or 50% for heavier characters. This move requires timing in the first slash, and knowing when to use it, when to stop using it, and how to combo after finishing using it. Perfect for WW Link IMO
uAsmash: This is where I begin to get more crafty! WW Link angles his body up, swings up in the air, 3 times in a stabbing motion, much like the dAair or uAair of Link's and YLink's. This can do anyhwere from 16% if all 3 are hit to 28% (4%-6%, 6%-10%, 6%-12%).
The first hit is the most comboable, and does just enough impact to make the opponent mid air or on ground to rise for the next slash, and stunned enough for the next slash. The 2nd slash is the weakness: it does more damage, does some impact, but barely enough stun to keep the enemy stunned for the final slash. Most the time the final slash will be slashed, and it does good damage, barely any stun outside of the character being hit up hard, and very KOable in terms of impact. If your opponent is at 170% it is basically a guarenteed a KO even with the heaviest of characters, at the lowest charged full uAsmash combo.
Another combo which, by the sounds of it, is highly powerful. Just barely long enough for the combo to go through? That does mean the attack will manage to go through regardless, and I don’t foresee this smash combo being broken often. Damage is good, though, and the impact is probably suitable, but I still remain a bit confused.
The Up Tilt seems reasonable though. Not sure if I like the continued combo applications. It’s starting to seem to me like if you get a good run with WW Link, you could spam and chain and spam and combo in a brutal continuous wave. But that might just be me.
nAair: WW Link does a swift stab, doing minimal damage (7%), little impact, and great stun. If you do this while shorthopping you can go combo-crazy into a sAtilt or sAsmash. A perfect air to land combo move, or land to air to land combo as well!
<A>air: WW Link slashes forward hard, doing a frongflip while still slashing. A good damage racker (does 14%), has little lag (5 frames), barely any stun (njk), great impact (very KOable in the 150%'s). Perfect for doing a one hit damage racker, KOing your opponent, or for just hitting your opponent to kill them while they try recoverying via air!
Also, it is great for distancing yourself from your opponent, and allowing you time to spam with your B moves! Can be used in many offensive and defensive ways! Think of it as a useful move in many fields, but keep in mind 5 frames can be the game, and timing is everything with this attack!
dAair: Swordplant: WW Link downthrusts his sword, into the ever famous swordplant formation/positioning! (how to kill Ganondorf: Stab him in the F***** head when he;s 10 times your size=this moment is screwattack.com's #1 in their top ten ways to die! XD) WW Link's stab normally does (17%) good damage, great stun, and some impact (especially if you do it 3 times). Here is where it gets intrstesting, in that this move can be comboed again and again, and again.
The 2nd time it does 14% damage (a tad bit above average), more (good) stun, and more (decent) impact, and the 3rd (and most often final), it does 13% damage (average), good stun, and barely any impact. Landing three is hard, and more than not you'll only get one, but you can land three every few matches. Also, continuing the swordplant isn't the only combo for this anymore. You can go and press A to cancel the swordplant fast, and combo/damage your opponent while their stunned.
This has just decent stun, and can be pretty intresting. You can attack and customize this attack in multiple ways and from multiple angles, a lot more so than YLink's or Link's in Melee or SSB64. It has noticeably less lag, and more comboability. Also, the DI control really kicks in. Holding down on the control stick makes you go down faster, and you can add 1%-3% more damage doing so, as well as very KOable impact (in the 140%'s the full down DI is basically a instant KO, though against good smashers you will never hit them this way).
If you click sideways on the control stick or more upwards, you can also cancel this attack, as well as with the A and Z buttons. This move is very useful, but not one to pull out. Also, the end lag (where you're sword is in the ground) is virtually 90% less, and allows you more time to move. Plus the DI and swordplany cancelling kicks in, for more help for WW Link from being a lag machine!
Grr. Somewhat better, but you ruin it by protecting WW Link from his own lag. Bad person. Bad. He needs weaknesses, and so far I’m not really seeing many. Maybe I’m misinterpreting the move, but is this ‘two or three times possible’ implying that WW Link plunges his sword into the ground, then has time to pull it out, jump up again and repeat the move before the opponent can recover? Sounds like too long to me.
uAair: Upplant or Upstab: Wind Waker Link stabs straight upwards with a very damaging stab. It does great damage (17%), below average stun, and only some impact. Great for being used when short hopping and your opponent is on a platform above you, jumped above you, you hit them up (whether they're stunned or not), or they simply jumped or are above you. Has only 6 frames pre-attack lag, and 2 frames post-attack lag.
If done correctly with shorthopping you could get three hits in, though unlikely. Good for individual damage, and some combos. A very all-around move to say the least that is good in air vs. ground (you) type of situations, whether it is done offensively or defnesively! Great for basically anything, though it should only be pulled out maybe 6 to 10 times per match preferably, but you never know what type of situation you'll be in, so it is kinda hard to judge how and when to use this attack IMO to be honest!
Meh, this is better than the other ones so far. It’s getting to be a long enough moveset that I don’t have anything mucht o say for this move.
grabs:
Grabbing opponent: Hookshot: Wind Waker Link shoots out his hookshot, and grabs opponent. If missed there are 6 frames of vulnerability, and 2 frames of pre-attack lag. If grab is successful, there are anyhwere from 2-10 frames of lag to pull them in. Know your distancing from them in this in FFA's or teams (epsecially teams), because you don't want to be vulnerable to other opponents.
Personally, I feel it should be the grappling hook rather than the hookshot. And if he’s unable to use it to recover, I’d be really happy.
Basic grab hits: Link holds his enemy with his hookshot, while he slashes up to down horizontily, down to up horizontily, and then the opposite of on each sides. 2% and 3%. (15-20 frames lag inbetween each hit)
Up throw: Wind Waker Link grabbing them with his hookshot pulls them in, aims them up, and stabs them. Does massive damage for a grab throw (10%), does well below average impact (just enough to escape), and barely any stun (3 frames=just enough to escape). More of a one hit move than comboable, but does good damage for racking up damage on enemies in the 50%-90% percentile ranges. (4 frames post-attack lag)
Down Throw: Wind Waker Link kciks them into the floor. Does well below average damage (5%), GREAT impact, decent stun, and best of all makes your opponent slam into the ground, and then slide off 6 or so feet. Intesting and origianal, and if you're quick you can use your dAair on them, and maybe pull off a combo if timed right, but that is something only the better players cna pull off, unless you're lucky! (3 frames post-attack lag)
Side Forward Throw: Wind Waker Link lets go of his opponent with his hookshot, and barely pushes them forward (doing no damage). Then he quickly slashes, and they get hit and fly back. Does above average damage (7%), does good impact for most grabs, and has little stun. It is more of a spacing, defensive, and spam attack preperation grab then anything else. More of a setup then a way to rack damage or combo your enemies! More of a situation grab than a use regulary grab, you gotta know/feel when to use this one!
Side Back Throw: This one is intresting, I have a good idea. Wind Waker Link kicks them back (0% damage) while holding them, and he does a backfilp, and as he releases them, he slashes forward and hits them good. Does average damage (7%), barely any impact (other than they hit the ground and bounce back up), and exellent stun. The perfect grab throw for conbos and insane customibility, for sure.
Sdie Up Throw: Wind Waker Link throws his opponent up in a sideways angle, and throws his boomerang at them. Does below average damage (5%), barely any impact (you won't even see it), and GREAT stun (though they are often too high up to combo). If you know how to work this, you can enter spam mode, then combo off that, and do good damage. A move that isn't useful unless you know how to be creative, unorthodox, and highly original!
The throws are the best part of WW Link so far, not so abusable and complex, and nicely balanced. Congratulations on the throws.
Z air: Link pulls out the grapple hook, and swings and smacks his opponent with it. Has lag (8 frames pre-attack, 4 frames post-attack), does very good damage (12%), does great stun, and does just barely any impact. Requires good timing, and if done short hoping or just above ground it's super comboable. However, in high air combat it isn't really comboable. But in air to land situations this move is perfect if you can time and deal with the lag. Something to work with, and get crazy and unorthodox with.
Also, like the Hookshot in Melee, the grapple hook can grab onto platforms and stages, but with less lag (8 frames to pull yourself in). It also has about 20% more range than Link's hookshot, a lot less lag, and just better all around. Great as a optional jump!
Whoa, what’s this move? I haven’t encountered a Z Air in any other moveset, nor can I clearly remember one from Melee. But it’s been a while. And, like I mentioned with the standard grab, I really dislike the idea of him being so good in the air, especially given his spam/comboability. I actually don’t think he should be able to use it to recover at all, but if he can, it should be slower and at a shorter range than link, not the other way around. The grappling hook doesn’t reel in like the Hookshot, after all.
Taunt: Link drinks a red potion, and it takes about 1 1/2 minutes [a bit below 90 frames].
Victory 1: Wind Waker Link does his famous dance. We all know what I mean!
Victory 2: Wind Waker Link grasps the Master Sword, and swings it around like he did the first time he got it.
Victory 3: Wind Waker Link does a super spin attack, and goes crazy with it, thus getting very dizzy, and he colapses. XD
Final Smash: Link gets his Wind Waker, and summons two tornadoes, both with the two wind frog gods in them. They tear apart the stage, like Ho-oh and Lugia, minus being a instant KO.
Edit: I redid the moveset, making only one option instead of tons, with a few new things at the end!
Erm, what’s with the taunt? 1 ½ minutes? That’s a huge taunt. Do you mean seconds?
And I don’t know what you mean by the Victory Dance. I dunno about the Final Smash, there’s not enough info on its effects to make a fair judgement.
Overall 6.5-7/10
DIDDY KONG
BTW, here is my Diddy Kong Moveset!
[also revised]
nB: Peanut Guns: Diddy fires them similar to Fox's blaster, but at Falco's blaster's speed, and 1 followed by another, then pause, 1 and then 1 (since he has two guns). This stuns the opponent, but for a short time only. Great for charging your opponents!
^B: Jet Pack: Diddy boosts up with his Jetpack, and then can control the DI much better, and can DI faster sideways, much like Peach's parasol. The damage is racked up by when the boost is hit, and he opponent is headbutted on the way up, or afterwards from the jetpack's engines.
<B> Chimp Charge: Straight from DK64, Diddy headbut charges forward, and can go shorter distances when B is pressed. It does a very high amount of damage, but doesn't pack much of a punch.
dB: Orange Gernade: Acting as sorta of Diddy's version of Link's bombs, Diddy ducks and throws them, or can simply fast toss them. Diddy pulls them out, and can do a array of things with them. For example, dB can be held for a harder throw, with more distance, and the gernades bounce and do more damage. Also, in air they are used exactly like Link's bombs, but fall much faster.
They generally do a fair amount of damage, and when combined with Diddy's guns it can be great spamability. Also, they generally bounce two or three times, but when charged they can go up to 5 or 6, and there explosion is fairly small, like Link's bombs. They have overall decent damage, stun, and knockback, and are all around good, but not overpowerful. Also, when hey hit something other than the ground (or the ground after X amount of bounce), they immediately explode.
You have a disturbing obsession with spam. Let me say that off the bat. Regardless, the Peanut Guns are nice, I like them, I imagine they do very low damage. The Barrel Jet Pack is also very nice. But Chimp Charge contradicts itself by saying it does lots of damage but doesn’t pack a punch. They pretty much mean the same thing in this context, unless I’m mistaken.
And how quickly can Diddy toss consecutive Orange Grenades? I hope not too fast, or the same thing is going to happen to him as to WW Link in my crits.
Running A: Cartwheel: Diddy Cartwheels into the opponent, doing a decently high amount of damage with little impact, but around average amount of stun.
dAtilt: Diddy swipes forward with his tail.
dA smash: Diddy clears the area, attacking in front and back with his tail, similar to Mario's dA smash, but with less damage, about the same impact and stun, and more range.
Auptilt: Diddy headbutts toward the sky.
Aupsmash: Diddy does a full charged hard hitting headbutt, that doesn't do as much damage as you would like, but has decent stun, and good impact.
So far, it’s looking good. Diddy’s making himself quick but not so powerful. I like it.
nA: Punch, kick, tail whip.
Asidesmash: Diddy raises his tail and tailwhips his opponent. This doesn't do as much damage as most would like, but the stun and impact are great!
Aupair: Diddy Flips and kicks his opponents with both feet, getting some impact, good stun, and a fair amount of damage.
<A>air: Diddy spins, damaging his opponents with his arms and tails. Has little impact and stun, but is a good damage racker!
dAair: Diddy straight headbutts his opponent, doing good damage, impact, and stun. However, it takes a bit to charge and launch this attack.
nA air: Diddy extends his knee and tail to hit his opponent. Does decent damage, impact, and stun, and if done towards the ground can be very comboable.
I’m assuming the Down Aerial is the Meteor Smash? Otherwise, solid, and nothing in particular to say here.
Grab: Diddy pulls in his opponents, using his tail.
Grab hits: Constant hjeadbutting of the opponent until thrown, they break free, or other fighters or something ends the grab.
<> Grab throw: Diddy whirls them out in his tail, doing little damage, but good stun and kinda good impact.
down Grab Throw: Diddy uses his tail, and thrashes his opponents down, doing good damage, greay impact, and some stun. However, they usually bounce into the air, ready for combat.
up Grab Throw: Diddy throws his opponent up with his arms. smacking them before released. Decent damage, some impact, and decent stun, but the real advantage is that this is bvery comboable.
up side Grab throw: Diddy grabs his opponent with his arms, chucks them Mario and Luigi style, and then shoots them. Does great damage, decent impact, and good stun. Definetly the best damage racking grab, outside of combos.
Again, the throws look quite fine. Dunno about Up Side Grab, but I’m willing to accept it. I like Diddy’s lithe style.
Z air: Like Link, Samus, and YLink, I felt Diddy deserved a Z air attack. Diddy whips his tail out, and smacks his opponent(s) downward hard. Does extremely great impact, well below average damage, and good stun. While lacking damage, this move can be effective for mid-air combos, or air to ground combos. When done right, this move can be a huge tactical advantage for the users.
Final Smash: Diddy pulls out his rock guitar, and starts playing his super awsome tunes!
Taunt: Diddy eats a banana. Not the best idea, any suggestions=??? That's all I could think of, lol! XD
Victory 1: Diddy does cartwheels, and does a double backflip with a big smile on his face.
Victory 2: Diddy takes off his hat, throws it up, smiles, scratches his head while eating a banana, and catches his head.
Victory 3: Diddy plays his guitar like a rockstar, and goes super rockstar at the end.
Victory 4: Diddy juggles 5 or 6 bananas happily, and squeezes them peels off them one by one while still juggling [and he eats the bananas iteslef], and then after eating all on them, and then leaps with joy.
Okay… so what does Final Smash actually do? I can’t rate it when I don’t know what it does. Also, no stats at the start makes it hard for me to make starting judgements. But the best character so far.
8/10
WALUIGI
Waluigi Moveset-
Standard Attacks:
A- Jab
AA- Jab Jab
AAA- Jab Jab Knee
Tilts:
Dtilt- Leg Sweep
Utilt- Headbutt
Ftilt- Mid range Kick
Smash Attacks:
Dsmash- Breakdance(like Mario or Luigi)
Usmash- Kicks one leg above his head(frontward kick)
Fsmash- A huge punch like Mario's from 64
Right, the regular attacks. Well… I can’t make any real qualitative judgment, as I have no idea of the attack powers, his range, or any of these sort of things. I mean, as far as move animations go, they sound fine, but I don’t know how effective they are, which is the key point.
Aerial Attacks:
Dair- Pencil stance and spins(Like Falco's but in a stiff stance)
Nair- Split kick(both legs spread out as a split and he kicks)
Bair- Backwards Headbutt
Fair- Double Knee(you thought C.Falcon was good)
Okay, I can visualize all the moves, but I have the same problem of not knowing anything empirical about Waluigi’s stats in this moveset, and so I can’t make any judgment.
Special Attacks:
Down B- He can pull out a bomb or something...(like Link's)
Up B- Rapidly moves his legs to appear as running in the air
Side B- Running Phantasm
Aww… the Special Attacks was where I was hoping you’d be a bit more creative. But really, it’s the same issues all over again. But I’ll just say one thing. I’m sick of bombs. 3 out of the 5 characters I’ve critiqued in this post use them. Four, if you count Diddy’s Orange Grenades. Bah! And I don’t get what Running Phantasm is at all…
Recovery:
First jump- Like Luigi's but can get more vertical
Second Jump- Like Mario's
Up B recovery- Rapidly Moves legs to appears as running in air
Grabs:
Grab attack- Punches them in the face
Grab Dthrow- Throws them down and pummels his foot on them
Grab Uthrow- Throws him up with one hand
Grab Fthrow- Holds them out and pummels his foot in there gut
Grab Bthrow- Tosses them back then kicks them
Eh, rinse and repeat my previous comments, but I do like that Waluigi’s a very brutal unarmed fighter for the most part. How good is the recovery? Does it do any damage?
Weight:
Probably a little more than Mario's weight
Taunt:
He sticks his thumb out while his teeth sparkle with a grin and has a bomb in his hand. The bomb blows up and makes him turn black and stuff with the smoke.
Final Smash:
He takes out a whole buch of Bomb-ombs and they frantically run around. They run into each other and combine to a huge Bomb-omb and Waluigi gives that laugh of his. Bomb-omb will be place in the middle of the stage(or wherever...depending on stage)Waluigi will set the fuse, and make an extreme jump. The bomb blows hitting anything within its radius then Waluigi jumps down, sticks his thumb out to the screen with a smirk on his face. His teeth then sparkle.
If I missed anything, please tell me. Waluigi can work. I made a Tingle and Waluigi moveset...that is hard to do!
PS- I had to make it purple.
Wow… I’m getting Bomberman flashbacks with this Final Smash. But I think Waluigi was posted first, so it’s okay. Erm… same-samey? Kinda like Mario’’s Final Smash, but it’s reasonable.
6/10, cause it’s easy on the eyes.
ISAAC
A new challenger approaches…
Isaac
Potential moveset by O D I N:
Height: 2/5
Weight: 2/5
Attack Power: 3/5
Grab Range: 1/5
Running Speed: 3/5
Jump: 2/5
Falling Speed: 3/5
Rolling Speed: 4/5
“A” Moves:
A: Isaac makes a quick slash with his sword in front of him. The move can be used as a rapid jabbing attack. It is faster than Marth’s, but slower than Capt. Falcon’s.
F-tilt: Isaac performs a long, horizontal slash in front of him. Decent knockback, average damage.
U-tilt: Isaac swings his sword over his head, drawing across his body from back to front. The attack is strongest on the down swing, but has decent knockback when the attack hits above his body.
D-tilt: Isaac slams the ground in front of him, causing a minor tremor, and ripples the ground making rocks shoot out of the ground slightly. The foe trips. Little knockback, decent damage.
I assume Isaac can repeat his slashes as AA and AAA?
In any case, though there’s no damage rating, the descriptions are good and solid. I especially like D-Tilt, has a nice atmosphere to it.
Smash Attacks:
Forward Smash: Isaac crouches low. After the charge, Isaac lunges forward with a horizontal sweep. Strong knockback, very laggy after the hit. No follow up.
Up Smash: Isaac, brings his arms close to his body. After the charge, Isaac throws his arms up in the air, and rocks from the ground fly upward a short distance. The rocks do decent damage, but little knockback. Great for aerial counters.
Down Smash: Isaac brings his arms close to his body again, this time, looking at the ground. After the charge, Isaac slams his fists into the ground, causing a stronger tremor around his body. The area of effect is within a “foot and a half” of his body. The tremor is only slightly lower than Isaac’s height. Strong attack, decent knockback at an upward angle.
Okay, let’s see, Smash Attacks…
Forward is good. Good knockback and lag. I like it.
Up Smash is interesting, multiple hits but lower damages? Again, I like.
Down Smash… is cool. Earthquakes FTW.
No real suggestions here.
Aerials:
Nair: Isaac performs a flip in midair, bringing his sword in front of him. This attack is quick, little knockback, and has an attack radius from above his head (first frame) to behind him (last frame before leveling out). It’s a 180 degree attack range.
Fair: Isaac does a horizontal slash at slightly lower angle to his body. It’s a quick slash with good knockback and damage.
Uair: Isaac does a spin in the air, the sword held above him at an angle. The spin is one rotation, and his Isaac’s faster aerial. Damage is based on multiple hits, a max of 3. First frame of the attack, part two of the spin, and the last frame.
Dair: Isaac kicks twice with his feet beneath him. 2 hits max. No knockback on the first hit, the second hit is a meteor smash. Low damage.
U air is weird, but I can live with it. Dair looks kinda familiar, but a multi-kick meteor is cool. The other moves are fine too. But I demand more psynergy!
“B” Moves:
B : Venus Djinn
Isaac summons a Venus Djinn to hurl a rock at his opponent. The rock will do 3-7% damage, knockback is average. Can be spammed, but it works like Falco’s laser. There’s lag between each throw. Same throw when in the air.
Towards B: Mars Djinn
Isaac summons a Mars Djinn to breathe fire upon his opponents. The attack works like a fire flower. It lasts for a few seconds, and then the Djinn disappears, the fire gradually getting smaller with each breath.
Hrm, is there a beginning lag for Venus, since he has to summon the Djinn each time? I like that it’s a slower-use projectile.
As for Forwards B, it’s fine, I think. Everyone loves a free Fire Flower.
Down B: Mercury Djinn
Isaac summons a Djinn to create a ice wall in front of him. This ice wall can be used to stand on, jump on, and can be picked up by stronger characters. It can be shattered after 20% damage has been done to it (based on characters, I.e. DK should have no problem shattering it). If an opponent is in front of Isaac while using this, the pillar causes some damage and knockback. While in the air, Isaac can use this to create a small sheet of ice beneath him, that floats in the air long enough (not long, like a second. It floats glowing as if it was just created) for Isaac (and other characters) to use a footstool jump off of it. After the move has been used, it takes 10 seconds before it can be used again, as it requires a lot of Psynergy to use, since Isaac is an Earth Adept. When attempted to be used after the first time, Isaac creates a splash of water, causing no damage, no knockback, and doesn’t effect the foe at all.
Up B: Jupiter Djinn
Isaac summons the Jupiter Djinn to propel him a large distance in any direction. The move’s range is farther than Falco’s, but shorter than Fox’s. It’s fast, and has no charge time. However, it deals no damage, and no knockback. It has low priority, so Isaac can be knocked out of it easily.
Wow, dude, Mercury is so useful. And he has multiple recovery moves! Freakishly cool in this situation. I love that Mercury Djinn.
Jupiter Djinn is also satisfactory, especially since it deals no damage and has low priority. A good mix of pros and cons on recoveries and jumps for Isaac.
Final Smash: Grand Gaia
Isaac raises his arms into the air, the stage/arena shaking. The stage erupts with flying rocks and light pouring from the ground, dealing massive damage. Each rock counts as a hit, so it'll deal damage on a multiple hit level, rather than a one time massive damage hit. The range of the attack is based upon the size of the stage, not the screen.
Does this only hit characters on the ground? I like it in any case, but only hitting characters on the ground is cool, if a noticeable weakness.
Grabs:
Isaac reaches out with both arms, and grabs his opponent. His reach is short.
Jab:
Isaac knees his opponent.
Fthrow:
Isaac shoves his opponent forward with both arms. Average knockback, average damage.
Uthrow:
Since Isaac is so tiny, and doesn’t have a lot of arm strength, Isaac uses his magic to use the ground as launcher. The ground beneath his opponent shoots up as a pillar of earth, propelling the opponent into the air. High knockback, decent damage. The pillar disappears after the throw.
Dthrow: Isaac shoves his foe to the ground, and pops him in the face 3 times. Multiple hitter, for 2-3% each hit. After the punches, the opponent slides forward from the 3rd hit, which is much like an uppercut, only horizontal. Low knockback. Damage is average. Highest damage out of throws, due to multiple hits.
Bthrow: Isaac uses his Psynergy to grab his opponent, and chuck him backwards. Highest knockback out of the throws.
Uthrow is awesome, I think. Kinda reminds me of Kirby’s 64 Uthrow. I dunno why though.
D throw is also good, multiple strike throws are cool.
Taunt: Isaac looks around him as the 4 Djinnii(?)(can’t remember what was plural and singular) dance about him quickly, and then quickly vanish.
Winning pose #1: Isaac sheaths his swords, and pants heavily, looking at the screen with a tired face.
Winning pose#2: Isaac looks around him as the Djinnii Swirl around him. The Djinnii and Isaac look at the screen, Isaac has a smile.
Winning pose#3: Isaac lowers his arms, and raises them high into the air, with a few rocks circling around him.
Yay! Isaac was definitely awesome. 9/10 for him, for sure. Good job ODIN.
And my Wall of Pain is over… Thank God.
