Roffle. Never thought I'd see you put Takamaru on your list. Good thing you finally figured out how to spell his name...can't say the same about "samurai", though. :1
Anyway, any game with Mewtwo, Mr. Game & Watch, King Dedede, and Takamaru wins the universe.
Curese you and your proper spelling!
Oh well, it's fixed now.
Yeah, hate to tell you, but I (and most Marth supporters, as far as I've seen) don't want Marth back just because of his fighting style, I want him back because I feel hes the single best suited character to represent Fire Emblem in SSB. Takamoru's presence or absence is an irrelevancy to me.
In my experience, most people outside Japan like Marth for his moveset but I know fans of the character are out there too.
You're referring to [thread=71872]this poll[/thread], right? Because I count 4 from PoR (Ike, Black Knight, Mia, Soren), 1 from Genealogy of the Holy War (Sigurd), and 5 (or 6, if you count the twins as two) from Marth's games (Oguma, Nabaru, Sheeda, Maji/Saji, Jeigan). And thats with Marth ineligible for the poll due to being a veteran. You'll also note that Oguma was the only FE character other than Ike to get more than 1 vote.
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Urgh.. I checked and you are correct. My bad. I guess it's been a while since I read that thing...
I argue from a historic collaboration perspective, which is the reason why the SSB series exists, and Kirby Knight argues from the Marketing perspective. There's no reason why I should adopt his fashion of thought, unless he can argue on Sakurai's belief and behalf on why the Marketing perspective of Brawl is a more sensible choice than one based on historic content.
Someone who "knows his stuff" doesn't necessarily mean they argue on behalf of Sakurai's premise on Brawl. Besides, if taken from a 'Marketing' perspective, doesn't this mean that down the line a new SSBB consumer would be inclined to buy Sonic games, meaning less possible revenue for Nintendo?
1. They spend money to get right to reproduce 3rd-Party characters for Brawl. This is simple; Nintendo's going out of their way to say "Please let us use ____ character. We'll give you money..."
2. They lose potential money when the consumer purchases 3rd-Party games because of the positive influence of said characters in Brawl. For example, if I buy Metal Gear Solid 4, that is potential money lost that could've benefitted Nintendo. I support Sony and Konami, both of which don't profit Nintendo, by giving them funds for their products, which could've been spent buying a second DS and several games to support Nintendo even more.
Where's the Marketing sense in doing this? Doesn't Nintendo lose possible cash by doing this? The only sensible reason I've ever concluded to this reasoning is this -- Nintendo indeed celebrates decades of great videogame history with veteran mascots of Nintendo gaming history. Nintendo indeed acknowledges the historical importance of Sonic and wants the player to learn about the amazing mascots of Nintendo history.
I sure did learn about Pit when he was announced, before all I knew is that he had two games, both of them marketing failures, and what was given on his trophy. But most importantly, I learned that Kid Icarus and Metroid were released on the same day and ran on the same engine. If the consumer instead at the time preffered Kid Icarus over Metroid, we'd be playing Kid Icarus Prime 3: Corruption at this day. However, Metroid prevailed largely due to space-age hype in that time of year, games such as Galactaga were great, movies like E.T. were immensely popular, a new interest in the space program grew, etc.
Pit is the celebration of what could've been and he now has a slated title in production because of his appearance in Brawl. Will we have a new Ice Climbers game? Maybe. Would we have gotten some Super Punch-Out!! sequels if Little Mac had become a popular playable character? Possibly.
Marketing ignores what the fanbase wants and needs. Sakurai had a purpose in setting player-polls. He wants to please the fans and interest newcomers as well.
In consideration to the Radiant Dawn advertisement -- The Fire Emblem advertisement is already there. Ike is the Lord of Radiant Dawn and sufficiently represents that marketing aspect well enough. Even having a single Fire Emblem representative is enough of an advertisement. It makes interested players want to research said series of games in which they would purchase games to learn and get a feel for how the series is like. Believing that Fire Emblem is full of generic blue-haird swordfighters is a common conception people take from seeing Marth, Ike, and Sigurd is purely idiotic. How can you prove that this is a common misconception? How can you prove that this is even a negative aspect of Fire Emblem? While there are some who are turned off by blue-haird swordsmen, isn't it equally possible for certain individuals to love swordsmen and love the color blue? Describing the thought of millions of individuals doesn't make it true; That is merely your conception of the thought of the general populace of Smash players.
That's quite an argument...
I agree that Sakurai has the king when it comes to characater slection, not Nintendo marketers (MGS4 music proves this) but I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that it won't play some role in his decision making.
In terms of the misconcenption among non-Fire Emblem fans that the series is all about girly swordfighters, I say that only because it's what I thought to be the case before I got into the series. And since joining these boards, I've had to educate a few people that there is, in fact, more to the series. I also think that if you had some combination of Marth, Ike and Sigurd carrying the Fire Emblem torch in Brawl it would not do the series justice.
I would argue that represeting PoR and RD is actually the best approach to pleasing fans and the interests of newcomers. There has alsways been a divide between Japanese Fire Emblem fans who love the older Fire Emblems and dispise the handheld incarnations, and the majority worldwide who first came to love the series through the handheld games and can't play the Japanese-only titles (unless they go the import route). PoR was the first game in the series that was well respected by all Fire Emblem fans, so it and it's sequel could be looked on a kind of common ground.
Of course, Marth's role in the upcoming Fire Emblem DS might have rendered this argument moot - if it was in development before the Brawl roster was finalized.
HOWEVER, the biggest argument in favor of Miciaiah is that she would be a far more unique addition to the roster. Between Link, MetaKnight, Pit, Ike and probably Young Link & Takamaru we don't need any more swordfighters UNLESS they bring some unique dynamic in terms of their moveset or personality.
But keep in mind: this entire thread is just my personal opinion. Take it with a grain of salt.
A very well-thought list. Dr. Kawasima and Takamaru were probably the biggest surprise on the list, and I do question the absence of Ness and Marth, but that debate has already come and gone like 6 times in this thread alone.
Well done. I'll give this list a 9/10.
EDIT: Hey, Wiseguy. You know for "Other Nintendo Characters" you have (4) next to the characters when there's only three?
Thanks. Fixed.
here is my moveset for The Wind Waker Link
i think all of TWW Link standard moves should be the same as TP link considering they have the same moves in the game. the only diff of coarse would be he would be faster and much shorter just like Young Link BUT instead he would be the equal strength of TP!!!!! maybe i'm going crazy with this idea but TWW Link was able to defeat Ganondorf just as like Tp Link did so why should he be any weaker? maybe to balance it out TWW Link would be very light wieght and easy to knock off.
as for his specials
UP B would be his normal spin atk but if fully charged he will unleash his hurricane atk and would be able to move a little from left to right and then Link temporally becomes dizzy for 2 secs.
Standard B would be his arrows but instead would randomly fire ice or fire arrows, and on very very rare occasions fire a light arrow which is extremely powerful!!!!
Foward B would be his unique Deku Leaf. Link would simply flap the leaf infront of him causing any1 infront of him to be pushed back giving room for Link to charge his Up B. if Link does this move and the leaf makes contact with another player it would cause minimal dmg and stun the enemy for 2 secs. AND if you use this move in the air Link will start to glide with the Deku Leaf just like in the game!!!
Down B wont be the bombs, why you may ask because there is no significant diff between TP and TWW bombs. instead his Down B move would be the move that semi-revolutionized the zelda series which is his parry atk! much like Marth & Roy's counter move instead Link will randomly roll behind the enemy and jump upwards slashing the enemy's backside or perform a jump flip over the opponent's head while slicling the head.
his grab would obviously be the Hookshot but depending on the size of whatever Link is targetting with the Hookshot, he would either be pulled towards it or it pulled towards him(example if used on Bowser he would be pulled towards him, if used on Kirby, Kirby would be the one pulled) ALSO if you use this move in the air instead of the Hookshot you are treated with the Graple Hook!!
Cool stuff. I'll post it under the WW Link character profile ASAP.
Good roster except two things wrong.
1.)your lack of faith in mother/earthbound of only having 1 rep is ridiculous , what about claus ? I meen he DID have the same rankings on sakurai's journal as ike , diddy , krystal , and ridley , so i dont see why not to include him , its high likely that mother is getting 2 reps , 3 maybe but that might be a stretch so you should consider at least including claus.
2.)wolf?!?!?! actually wasn't the alt proven to be wrong and just be fox with grey fur ? i think he deserves his spot back on.
anyhow good job nonetheless
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Believing that Earthbound deserves 2 reps is all well and good, but you must give the same for Nintendo's other niche franchise: F-Zero. It's only fair. Any thoughts on how I could do that without involving that abomination Black Shadow?
Wolf is Fox with gray fur (basically).
Wow! Future Wiseguy was right! I would have never guessed Ridley would enter Brawl under the guise of King Dedede, but what does this mean for everyone's fav royal penguin? =P
By the way, I just sent a message to my past self. I told him that Ridley was confirmed. What a sucker...
