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It's really something that's you need to find out works best for you. Some people like doing it with tap-jump, others have their thumb touching both y and b, some slide their finger between the two, some people even use x. I would suggest messing around with a few ways of doing it, finding what is most comfortable for you to do, then grind it out until you can get it fast enough.
Thanks for the suggestion! I guess I'll just have to practice more then. On and off for a few weeks now I've been mainly practicing my shffl'd aerial approaches, SHL, wavedashing/wave landing, and jump canceling shines.
I'm still a pretty new Falco myself, but just getting all your movement stuff down so that you can keep combos going is probably the biggest thing. A lot of that is just a combination of other techniques as well, like waveshining, or shine wavelanding onto platforms. Those kind of things will probably be what you use most so it's important to try and get that stuff down before you move onto harder, more situational techs.
Shine doesn't actually stop the momentum when you get hit off stage. You can only L-cancel aerial attacks while they are in their animations so L-canceling nothing won't do anything, in fact you'll probably just end up air dodging.
Tap jump buffers for a few frames, so you can not rely on it to jump cancel shines for things that require strict followup timings. For instance, I tap jump when I shine-bair people in the air because there is no downside to jump asap with the bair. If I bair a little late, it will still hit, but tap jumping ensures that I have the maximum number of bair inputs available for me to use.
Are you using tap jump x or y?
Tap jump. I'm pretty sure it's the only way to do the "instant" version.
I use x to jump and it works for me but it has to be extremely quick for it.
Ah, thanks for the advice, but it wasn't, haha. I just mean actually DOING the aerial when you hit them with the shine in midair instead of just getting stuck in shine.When you're in the air, and trying to shine -> Dair, try hitting them with the bottom of your shine.
Most Falcos make the mistake of hitting with the top of the shine (because they're just trying to hit their opponent asap) but when you do this, your dair won't connect.
I'm not sure if this is what you were asking, but I hope I helped.
Oh, so I'm inputting the jump too quickly?
Jackson
what' s weird is that you can do it low from a short hop but not high in the air so I'm assuming that you are running at the opponent (holding right for example) and then I'm assuming you "roll" sort of to the tap jump position so you have no real opportunity to get stuck cause you don't turn around. So idk maybe try still doing tap jump but doing it slightly up and to the right if you're facing right. Idk if that helps lol
Thanks dude, that actually makes sense. I'll try it out.@
I might attempt it, but the reason I used tap jump for the technique anyway was because I couldnt previously do it with X fast enough. But you know, if I can double shine with X, maybe I can do it.
I might attempt it, but the reason I used tap jump for the technique anyway was because I couldnt previously do it with X fast enough. But you know, if I can double shine with X, maybe I can do it.
Yeah man go for it. If your having trouble you can always jump a little more towards above Your opponent to shine and give you a couple more frames to dish out the bair and since your using a jump button just slide it to A that's what I do
Yeah, I tried X and I've come to the conclusion it's too slow and akward for the technique (and I cannot use Y for anything). I'm going back to tap jump and I'm just gonna have to get the timing down.
The input to moonwalk is virtually the same for everyone. The only difference is some chars get better moonwalks from a DD while others should walk or WD to get the initial momentum. For Falco, the best method is to do it from a walk.
Ok: so I should walk in one direction, then dash the other way and bring the control stick to the other side in that weird half circle motion?
Yes.
Dr Peepee
or @WestBallz if they come around here (or anyone that thinks he could help, really) D:
Hey PPMD! You're my favorite melee player and my inspiration with Falco. It's awesome to see you around here. I was wondering; how long did it take you to really get your Falco to a point where you felt that you had all your techniques down and you played him fluidly? As in, since you started playing Melee.
Makes sense. It feels like with spacies in general there's always something more to learn or improve at. For now, I'm satisfied that I'm starting to get waveshining and essential stuff down. I think I started playing Melee about a month ago or so. I mainly want to have a really strong combo game because that's what makes Melee fun!
Combos are hype, but consider that you won't get combos as often if your neutral game is weaker.
I see, thanks :D
Except no char gains anything from dding before moonwalk, since turn from dash always cancels momentum. And all chars gain speed from walking before moonwalk, it's just that for example with falcon the walk speed is too slow to matter.
Falcon definitely gets way more momentum in moonwalks from a DD than he does from walking, which you said in the very next sentence, so I'm confused what you're even saying...
