PPMD's Falco Discussion Thread

[Bones0]

okay and yea no sense in mming people better than me while i want to play to learn
i havent been to the monthly yet, lots a great people i heard, is m2k going

He is listed as "Maybe."

 

[BTmoney]

I'm not going to xanadu I have to study this weekend.

finals monday and tuesday.

may I ask what your major is my good sir? I'm currently in industrial/systems engineering

I'm actually curious about everyone else who is/was in college

 

[Swann]

I'm Computer Science with a music composition minor. Dumb engineering school doesn't offer the music major

Finals are painful. I want to host a fest but holy **** my workload right now...

 

[BTmoney]

I'm Computer Science with a music composition minor. Dumb engineering school doesn't offer the music major

Finals are painful. I want to host a fest but holy **** my workload right now...

yeah i don't want to talk about finals....lol good thing OSU gets out early :]
I wanna pick up an industrial design minor because I want to get into the performance sports wear/tech/equipment industry

but too bad I have no one to play in the chicago-land area now....

 

[SpiderMad]

but too bad I have no one to play in the chicago-land area now....

There's a FB group, tournies, and everything. Are you near Arlington Heights or Glen Ellyn

 

[BTmoney]

There's a FB group, tournies, and everything. Are you near Arlington Heights or Glen Ellyn

i've had a request to join the FB group sitting for like 3 weeks lol. nothing. I canceled it and sent it again today cuz I figured it got lost or something.

And I'm in Plainfield, really close to Oswego and Aurora. Joliet/Bolingbrook also aren't unreasonably far

 

[Purpletuce]

yeah i don't want to talk about finals....lol good thing OSU gets out early :]
I wanna pick up an industrial design minor because I want to get into the performance sports wear/tech/equipment industry

but too bad I have no one to play in the chicago-land area now....

I would play you if you weren't going to the WRONG OSU. Just kidding. Funny that we both go to OSU s though.

 

[SpiderMad]

i've had a request to join the FB group sitting for like 3 weeks lol. nothing. I canceled it and sent it again today cuz I figured it got lost or something.

Sveet runs it I think, and he takes forever and thinks everyones a FB/spam bot lol

 

[BTmoney]

I would play you if you weren't going to the WRONG OSU. Just kidding. Funny that we both go to OSU s though.

yeah I got an awesome group of people to play with at the right OSU :] I'm actually super thankful about that

Sveet runs it I think, and he takes forever and thinks everyones a FB/spam bot lol

i'll go annoy him lol

 

[Vixen]

anyone good at the falco matchup who can help me with it?

 

[Bones0]

anyone good at the falco matchup who can help me with it?

TIL: I am able to mask my ignorance in Falco dittos by lasering, PSing, wavelanding and multishining.

 

[Rocketpowerchill]

bones i dont know any1 and im probably gonna be hella ackward at my first tourney if i goto xanadu tomorrow
my ****ing smash friends are gay and wont come out so i dont know what to do

 

[Xyzz]

Well, if they won't come out, you'll have to take initiative and confess your feelings to them (sorry, your wording was just too good ).

The smash community as a whole is pretty cool bunch of people, just be friendly and they'll be friendly to you as well. Ask for freeplays with whoever you can, and just relax and have a good time. You'll be just fine

 

[Bones0]

bones i dont know any1 and im probably gonna be hella ackward at my first tourney if i goto xanadu tomorrow
my ****ing smash friends are gay and wont come out so i dont know what to do

1. Make it your goal to play 10 different people. If you play someone for 10+ games in a row and you aren't really evenly matched, switch it up. You can play me first if I'm there when you get there. Just look for Dr. PP.

2. Even if you are evenly matched with the guy you are playing, switch after 20 or so games. You may find someone else who you are evenly matched with, and you can always meet back up with that person later in the tourney for friendlies.

3. Introduce yourself to everyone. Don't just sit down silently. Simply sitting down and saying, "Hey, I'm RPC" is perfect.

4. Remember as many names as possible.

5. Don't worry about winning AT ALL.

6. Watch grand finals.

7. If you have time tonight, watch this Day[9] video. I know absolutely nothing about Star Craft so you don't need to either, but you can take a lot of his advice and apply it to Melee.

8. Don't even worry about IMPROVING at all. Your overarching goal for your first tournament is to become familiar with the community, its members, and how you fit into the community (how you can enjoy yourself). The fastest way to do that is to try a little of everything. It can mean anything from picking a barlw character for P:M friendlies (even if you never want to take it seriously), playing a bunch of teams matches, going nuts with Cactuar Stamina Pancake, and any other number of things.

 

[BTmoney]

Someone help me with Falco's horizontal game. Doesn't compute. I decided to concede the fact that I am, have been, and always will be a Marth main but I'm still keeping a serious Falco.

 

[Bones0]

protip: Lasers are horizontal.

 

[Rocketpowerchill]

lol i just go by jhfalco
i didnt have a tag til like lastyear
rpc sucks imo but your advice is still good man
i just need the confidence to go by myself and start relly taking the initiative
i needa stop being such a ***** but i cant help it

 

[Swann]

Hey.
Stop being such a *****.
BAM, MOTIVATION

I have a feeling you'd be awkward even if you did know people at the tourney. Like Bones said, though, your goal should be to meet new dudes. So do that.

EDIT: that DayJ video is the truth.

 

[Rocketpowerchill]

**** that dude
im not one of dem socially ******** kids
i have no ride and im unfamiliar with my local scene and **** ( No Johns)
just **** me in the ass plz

 

[BTmoney]

Hahahha loolwut, my first tourney was scary enough even though I knew like 7 people and I normally played with 4 of them

 

[Rocketpowerchill]

Project: teach jhfalco how to speak to other human beings PFTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT
gay
more so xanadu gets a fuq ton of entrants and i fell like id be lost and not no where to go and who to talk to and what im am here for
i guess i got to get my head stright to
too much porn is messing up my reality
i hope to come out and have hella smash fest with da bros and get so much better
nuff said doe

 

[BTmoney]

porn is messing up my reality, can we get t-shirts of that?

 

[dkuo]

@Rocketpowerchill you were at xanadu? i dont think i played you at all

 

[Vixen]

I have horrible social anxieties, especially as a transgender, yet I still attend tournaments.

Get at me.

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[Rocketpowerchill]

lol **** you guys



get at me

 

[KP17]

is empty hop --> waveland backwards --> react to what marth does useful against marths who running ps to grab alot? it seems like it would make them wiff letting you sh dair them. and if they decide to dash attack i think away and down is good di (correct me if im wrong, Im a new player and have lots of DI questions).

 

[Purpletuce]

Stop being a punk. I drive an hour just to play at a random 20 man tourney in Oregon, so if you have access to S@X, use it. You know people once you meet them, so if your problem isn't knowing anyone, fix it. Also, if you don't start playing real players, you'll continue to be a bad player. (If the only people you play with are other people afraid to go to a tourney, you're almost certainly missing out on a ton of aspects of the game, and only wasting your time with tech skill.)

 

[Bones0]

@RPC

Son, I am disappoint.

is empty hop --> waveland backwards --> react to what marth does useful against marths who running ps to grab alot? it seems like it would make them wiff letting you sh dair them. and if they decide to dash attack i think away and down is good di (correct me if im wrong, Im a new player and have lots of DI questions).

Yeah, I use that a lot. Even if they don't PS, if you make it look like you're about to do a horribly spaced nair and then FF WL to stay out of Marth's grab range, he'll whiff a shield grab and you can punish. Just make sure you aren't deep on his shield/body when you do it because Marth's grab is so huge that even if you WL like max distance he can still grab you. You also have to worry about getting to predictable with empty hops because they may just grab early, which is why I emphasized staying out of range during most of your jump and WL, if not during all of it.

 

[Rocketpowerchill]

aight i bailed, nuff said

i wanna feel a part of a community as big as this one
i posted alot of bs for not having been out and not going to one i was hyping up alot and planning to meet you guys
sorry, but i promise you I will make it up and really be an influential player and show up instead of bein such a prick
for real
but im not posting here anymore until ive actually gone to a big smash fest and obviously you want to show players fresh out of the womb like myself the ropes
and thats amazing but its on me to show up so yea
im dissapointed in myself
what more could i want, the smash community is full of hype, just watching live streams these past 2 years has made me want to be apart of it
player guidance is something baby smashers should not take for granted cuz you guys using your time to show up from long distances is really amazing
me not showing up is really ****ed up
obviously you come to s@x to compete and get better, not spend all your time nurturing baby smashers
its all on me to play sets with as many great people as possible <3

its all talk til i actually give someone my time and not bail like a major *****

 

[Bones0]

Not a big deal bro. I'm not personally offended or anything. Just come to the next tourney. lol If you watch that Day[9] video I linked, he actually talks about the very problem you are describing where people are insecure about getting into it because of random fears or whatever. It's totally normal and common.

 

[BTmoney]

aight i bailed, nuff said

i wanna feel a part of a community as big as this one
i posted alot of bs for not having been out and not going to one i was hyping up alot and planning to meet you guys
sorry, but i promise you I will make it up and really be an influential player and show up instead of bein such a prick
for real
but im not posting here anymore until ive actually gone to a big smash fest and obviously you want to show players fresh out of the womb like myself the ropes
and thats amazing but its on me to show up so yea
im dissapointed in myself
what more could i want, the smash community is full of hype, just watching live streams these past 2 years has made me want to be apart of it
player guidance is something baby smashers should not take for granted cuz you guys using your time to show up from long distances is really amazing
me not showing up is really ****ed up
obviously you come to s@x to compete and get better, not spend all your time nurturing baby smashers
its all on me to play sets with as many great people as possible <3

its all talk til i actually give someone my time and not bail like a major *****

pu$$y lool. It is scary at first I know but it gets a lot better. I was hella nervous when I first stated playing with the guys that go to school with me. Most of them are cool as **** though and actual friends of mine now.

 

[Bones0]

I'll be honest, I wasn't really nervous at my first few tournaments. I was too excited to play other human beings in Melee. And my second tournament I got a ride from Wife and Husband, so I was star struck and the whole experience felt very surreal. lol

 

[Rocketpowerchill]

im super excited to play just about anybody other than the few i usually play smash with
i wanna be retaught how to play smash the right way
thats why im throwing useless tech skill junk thats impractical out the way and focusing in the real melee stuff

 

[BTmoney]

the starstruck effect is real enough too. I was starstruck-by-association that two of my friends Hanky and Abu played people like scar, mango, m2k, cactuar, darkrain (that really made me sad when one of them told me they beat darkrain in teams. it was like being **** on and punched in the face), kirbykaze, westballz, vwins, sfat and they even took games off most of them if not beat them in a set.

it was honestly discouraging to me haha. I felt like I would never amount to any sort of legitimate player. Then I got over it and got better and while I still lose to Hanky's and Abu's mains we still have good games and I am proud of my progression.

 

[Vixen]

in falco dittos, bthrow > FJ dair is a silly mixup. it covers their attempt to DJ.

 

[KP17]

bthrow dsmash at the edge against fastfallers at low percent is even sillier. but if it sometimes works why not try it

 

[stabbedbyanipple]

3. Introduce yourself to everyone. Don't just sit down silently. Simply sitting down and saying, "Hey, I'm RPC" is perfect.
6. Watch grand finals.

These are big ones. I always see new people go to tournaments and play their friends whom they always play with, rather than new people. When you wanna get good at something, you gotta go BALLZ DEEP. Also, smashers are homies and nothing fosters a friendship quite as quickly as a common interest in this 12 year old game.

Also, grand finals are usually the sickest sets of the tournament, but people always blow off watching them to play friendlies. It's understandable but at that point in the day, everyone is usually tired and playing effin' young link vs DK or some **** LOLL

@Tachi: Yup, starstruck affect is super real. If you go into a set expecting to lose, you absolutely will (that is NOT to say that going into a set expecting to win will make you win though lol)

@Mizuki: I was doing fthrow/bthrow -> jab (and double jab/rapid jab if the first jab connects) a lot in falco dittos last sunday and it seemed to work pretty well. A lot less risky than committing to dair or fsmash to read their DJ back to stage, and it either pushes them off or gives you enough time to do something before they can unless they hella expect it and have the DI of the gods haha

@KP17: Try dash dancing lol. I feel like just short hop -> wavelanding would be too slow and would just let marth engage on you. If marth is in the range where he can just run up to you and shield in your face, then he can do like 5 other things that would pwn you if you were just empty hopping lol. If you get Marth to shield, then jumping AT him and wavelanding back could definitely do you good but I don't think it'd really be anything you'd consistently want to do.

P.S. Is there an easy way to multi-quote on new smashboards?

 

[dkuo]

P.S. Is there an easy way to multi-quote on new smashboards?

just click reply on all the posts you want to quote and the quickpost box on the bottom will have all the quotes ready for you

you have to scroll back up every time though

 

[BTmoney]

@Tachi: Yup, starstruck affect is super real. If you go into a set expecting to lose, you absolutely will (that is NOT to say that going into a set expecting to win will make you win though lol)

Too bad it doesn't work the other way lololol

 

[Cummings]

Hey guise does anybody have any solid advice on facing ICs? I've recently found an ICs player that I can play on a regular basis, and it has made me realize that I have never ever in all my years as a melee player played a competent ICs player. I remember there being an excellent thread on melee discussion some time ago that was literally just "How to beat ICs" but I never bookmarked it and I can't seem to find it anywhere.

So any general advice on the matchup? about all I know so far is that FD is a big no-no, L-cancelling requires extra attention, and killing nana/ separating them is very important. Problem is, I don't know how to control the neutral when nana soaks all the hitstun, and once I finally get in, I don't really know what to do besides just shine, which never really leads anywhere beneficial, and I just generally don't know how to combo them properly (although that's not something you guys can just explain here). So I end up doing a lot of quick F-throws and Fsmashes to try to catch them out. It's just very dissatisfying and sometimes frustrating playing him, but I know it's not his fault so I was hoping for some advice... Thanks in advanced guys