*pound* 5

[AllyKnight]

Guess my hotel post wasnt important lol.

I'd say more but I'm on my itouch johns atm lol


Charlesz

He said he had to use money from the pot to pay the debts to the hotel or w/e


People are accusing him of pocketing the money...

ok, is it true or not?

 

[Mew2King]

Even if that's true that's not fair at all to everyone who won money. That's called being selfish and lying. Everyone has a risk when they go to a tourney or host it. The host might make money or lose money. The people going might make money or lose money. One person shouldn't be able to do whatever they want just because things don't go their way (even if that is the truth, that still isn't good enough). That's completely unfair to everybody else taking a risk, especially when they succeed and get nothing

 

[Omni]

id be pissed strictly from the fact that Plank isn't making himself available so people can get clarification. i see where Anti is coming from. and all of the facts point to a very clear point. actually, there are 3 facts that justify players being mad

1.) plank paid off a personal debt with money that was not his
2.) plank is not paying the players' (anytime soon, if at all)
3.) plank is intentionally making himself unavailable avoiding any clarity in the matter

jon is my friend. but no matter what the real scenario or situation is those 3 facts are irrefutable

and it's enough to piss anyone off if they're directly affected by it

 

[AllyKnight]

id be pissed strictly from the fact that Plank isn't making himself available so people can get clarification. i see where Anti is coming from. and all of the facts point to a very clear point. actually, there are 3 facts that justify players being mad

1.) plank paid off a personal debt with money that was not his
2.) plank is not paying the players' (anytime soon, if at all)
3.) plank is intentionally making himself unavailable avoiding any clarity in the matter

jon is my friend. but no matter what the real scenario or situation is those 3 facts are irrefutable

and it's enough to piss anyone off if they're directly affected by it

This. so **** off Laijinanewb and other plank's ****riders. WE NEED A WORD

 

[Pierce7d]

Um. yes.
Saying 'it was already agreed upon' is meaningless.
Just because that's how things are generally done, doesn't mean that's how they'll always play out. Ideally yes the tournament fee's would have gone to the winners, but obviously that situation didn't play out as intended. There was nothing signed or 'agreed' upon saying that that's exactly the way the funds were going to be distributed.

I payed for a service. Just because there was no contract, doesn't mean that the service shouldn't be delivered. If I go to a car wash, and they took my car through the procedures, but at the end, my car still came out dirty, I would consider the service unfulfilled.

When I pay tournament entry fee, part of that payment INCLUDES the tournament prizes being distributed. I have purchased this service. I don't sign a contract for every service I purchase.

Also, it would be virtually impossible for organizers to run stuff if there wasn't an underlying level of trust that the organizer would not steal the pot. To imply that everyone should sign a contract for it is exaggerated, but I guess maybe we should do it that way.

Basically I'm saying that even though what plank did was a mistake, the players based it all on good faith, and nothing more. They assumed that that was how things were going to play out, nothing was set in stone as to how the funds were to be distributed, it was just based off of how things are generally done.

We did not bother clarifying because these things are understood. If I go to a car was, I do not clarify to the car wash owners that I expect them to take my car through their washers, and not just take it for a joy ride in the rain, because these things are understood, and this is the way the service is commonly done.

I don't remember any mention of the pot or how it would be distributed, sure that's how things usually are, but it's not like this is the first time something like this has happened, not saying this is to be expected from tournaments now, but it's always been a possibility. If you're allocating more funds than you care to spend into going to something like this and planning on receiving money back through placing well in the tournament you might want to be crystal clear on how exactly things are being handled.

Uh, either way, he did not have to refund people's money, he did it because generally he's a good guy. That's why I mentioned it.






He can't force people to pre-reg rooms online. Regging for the tournament and regging for the hotel are seperate things, plank had it on good faith that people would be staying at the venue cause that's all he could do.




Generally & ideally yes, but **** hit the fan and it didn't play out that way. There is nothing written down about how tournament funds should always be distributed. Some tournaments have venue fee's, some tourneys dip into the pot to pay for the venue, in this case both happened.




A contract to state exactly how funds are going to be distributed among the tournament expenses, and prize winnings. As well as behavior, conduct, tardiness, etc. whilst being in the tournament venue.



Well yes, exactly, but this wasn't the intention of plank or any TO. I'm just saying if a contract was made and signed by players they would have something to stand on as far as what happened here. If they signed something stating that their venue fee was going to pay for the expenses of the venue, and that the tournament fee was going directly and explicitly to the winners of the tournament, then there would be absolutely no ****storm. Plank would be ****ed, in the hole $x,xxx, the winners would have their winnings, and there would probably be donation threads for plank.




I am 20




'This means', why does that mean that. Where did it state that that is what would happen, you assumed it.




Not saying it does (though I refuse to call it stealing), but the community does need to be called out on this.



Plank himself said that he saw people cramming rooms, if he were an ******* he could have informed the hotel staff and had people kicked out. But he didn't. Plank took us as his responsibility. You can link it directly from us to the hotel but in reality we ****ed over plank, and ourselfs, by doing this. If the hotel looked to us instead of plank to pay for the debt than the winners would get paid, but that's not the case because we were planks responsibility.




Will not happen.

I'll get to the rest of this later, I have to go atm.

 

[Xyro77]

id be pissed strictly from the fact that Plank isn't making himself available so people can get clarification. i see where Anti is coming from. and all of the facts point to a very clear point. actually, there are 3 facts that justify players being mad

1.) plank paid off a personal debt with money that was not his
2.) plank is not paying the players' (anytime soon, if at all)
3.) plank is intentionally making himself unavailable avoiding any clarity in the matter

jon is my friend. but no matter what the real scenario or situation is those 3 facts are irrefutable

and it's enough to piss anyone off if they're directly affected by it

Best post i have ever seen in my entire life

 

[ANTi_]

So, Plank is moving across the country i hear from Hax...


....

 

[AllyKnight]

Yeah he's moving to West Coast. I wonder with what money though!

PLANK TALK TO US NOW, YOU ARE VIEWING THIS THREAD.

 

[Laijin]

wow im done. Clearly whatever side you're on, you're not going to change your mind. Its pretty dumb to argue with people who just ignore your argument and restate the same facts over and over again without intelligently addressing the points you made and moving on with new points.

 

[DJRome]

lol that's what you're doing, not us. we already addressed all of your points

 

[Laijin]

lol that's what you're doing, not us. we already addressed all of your points

And I addressed all your points and so has 3 and numerous other people.
So where does that leave us now?

 

[Omni]

So, Plank is moving across the country i hear from Hax...


....

Yeah he's moving to West Coast. I wonder with what money though!

PLANK TALK TO US NOW, YOU ARE VIEWING THIS THREAD.

relax. apparently, he had planned to move to WC way before Pound 5. now as such he cannot.

i said u guys have the right to be mad. not to be silly. work with the facts and do what you can on your own until Plank finally turns up.

 

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Ughm... Speak?

 

[The King]

I love how Plank is receiving support for his actions in terms of "Well, nowhere did he explicitly state how the funds collected for this tournament would be appropriated, so he has every right to divvy them as he personally sees fit." As many before me have stated, this is assumed to be a tight-knit, morally-bound community. If precedents like this are supported & condoned, you guys are really opening yourselves up to a huge ****storm when future TO's begin to disregard their better judgment while attempting to create a hyped-up national event, with the understanding that by using a little selective omission of information and shady wordplay, they can get away with what Plank has just orchestrated.

Legally, could Plank do what he has done? In a sense, yes, due to the complete absence of contractual obligations and (apparently) even lingo discussing the event's proposed payout percentages. While the community knows the number of entrants, he never stated what that payout percentage would be. I suppose there's still the potential argument that because he ran an AM bracket and provided payouts for that, it could be extrapolated that every event which included an explicit entry fee would be due tournament winnings, but that's not my department lol.

Morally, though, it sets an outraging precedent that truly should be supported nor condoned by anybody.

I for one, feel terrible for Plank. He really went out there with the best of intentions to give this community what he felt it deserves; one last grand finale of an event to cap his tournament franchise. However, if I had to narrow it down to one individual feeling, it would be pity.

Pity that either 1.) He whole-heartedly believed that the smash community, comprised primarily of poor adolescents, could afford to fill seven dozen rooms of such high-caliber hotel for three days as the one he affiliated his tournament with, or 2.) That in such a panic to deliver an amazing tournament, he rushed or was pressured into signing himself into such a ridiculous goddamn deathtrap of a contract with the hotel that only in hindsight could be truly realize what he's done. I won't even begin to get into how stupid of him it was to grossly overestimate the number of potential attendants.

But feeling bad for somebody does not always mean they don't deserve to reap what they've sown. Hell, I feel bad for the convicted every time I read a story about somebody receiving the death penalty, even if I believe that their actions warrant it (just an example, don't read into this lol). Plank, as a sole entity, decided to host and organize this tournament. With unbelievably bad judgment in more than one area of his planning, he dug himself into a financial deathtrap, and in so doing he robbed dozens of players of their tournament winnings. *PLANK*'s judgment, mind you, in running a personal event, dug himself into debt with the hotel. This isn't "the community's" debt, or "unforseen tournament expenses" (even though the latter would be more understandable), this is Plank ****ing up BIGTIME and robbing the finest competitors of our community of their rightful winnings.

Morally, he's got no goddamn right to rob the community to pay for his mistakes... The only hitch in my disdain of this whole situation is knowing that anyone else would have done the same to save themselves in the short-term. And **IF** Plank would actually show his face to this community again and promise to someday reimburse the prize money, I would be standing behind him 100% in what he did, simply because I would hate to hear of somebody be so financially decimated simply because of their overzealous love for our community.




...As a side note, we're going to be pretty damn explicit as to where your money's going for Genesis-II lol, and that 100% of the tournament fees will be divvied right back out to the event winners. Also, that all of the money that comes in during signups will be placed in an industrial-sized freezer until Sunday... so you know that your winnings will be as cold & hard as cash comes, rofl.


-King Out

 

[NeutralDamage]

Good post King, I approve pretty much

 

[Hax]

i'll post this here since some mod locked my thread

i am positive pound 5 was a conspiracy. i just don't believe that melee's biggest TO would be stupid enough to solidify a deal whose success is entirely dependent on faith placed in the attendants. rumors that he's moving across the country don't make his case any better, either. hats off to plank for not mentioning anything about paying money to the winners in the pound 5 thread; we overlooked this and never saw it coming. it was genius, and because of it i don't see any of you guys beating him in court

that said, i'm not angry about my monetary loss in the least bit. i wasn't even surprised when plank dropped the bomb on us; i'd seen it coming for almost a week. his unresponsiveness on smashboards/AIM made it pretty obvious. regardless, the time i had at pound 5 was worth way more than the ~$300 i'm owed. anyone who came to room 517 should know what i'm talking about. and i hope everyone else (winners included) had just as good of a time; the place was basically a smasher's haven. the venue was inside the hotel, food was within walking distance, i brought my vaporizer, and the best players in the world were there. how much more can you ask for?

whether or not plank cares at this point, his tournament series has given us something to look forward to almost every year and means a lot to me. at pound 3 my crew and i made a name for ourselves, climaxing with me and jman's victory over chu and chillin. pound 4 was the biggest melee tournament of all time. and at pound 5 i finally overcame my tendency to choke at nationals and ended up doing a great job. as you can see it's REALLY hard for me to hate the guy that's brought me all these priceless memories, though at the same time i'm disgusted that they've all become tied to the biggest scandal in smash history.

as dumb as this sounds, i still believe plank has had a positive impact on our community. i understand that he is a criminal and i'm not trying to justify what he did in any way; i just hope that none of you guys forget how amazing the pound series was and that as a community we forget about this disaster.

 

[Mew2King]

liars don't go to heaven :/

 

[LLDL]

Spoiler

He looks hesitant to shake his hand.

 

[Laijin]

Who is that? lol.
Looks like PC Chris to me.

 

[Merkuri]

Will not happen.

Plank should and could totally get arrested for this. It is a shame but the majority is probably right when they say that this wouldn't hold up in court, but Plank broke his contract with over 200 people. Contracts don't have to be written to be legally binding, the Tournament thread and his subsequent actions are probably enough to have the ******* arrested.

 

[Nicknyte]

Date of Birth
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Hax, I really don't take any credence in what you are saying. I just think you are having an easier time that it was a conspiracy moreover than he got bum**** from the hotel. You can always call the hotel to see what the cost was.

 

[Laijin]

Plank should and could totally get arrested for this. It is a shame but the majority is probably right when they say that this wouldn't hold up in court, but Plank broke his contract with over 200 people. Contracts don't have to be written to be legally binding, the Tournament thread and his subsequent actions are probably enough to have the ******* arrested.

Nope.
You're living in a dream world kid.
Thats not how the real world works.

 

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Lol dam this thread is resurrecting people from the dead.

 

[Nitrix]

Its a shame that this crime is possible through the blind trust of our community.

 

[Nicknyte]

"In the broadest sense, a fraud is an intentional deception made for personal gain or to damage another individual; the related adjective is fraudulent."

You can't arrest him if he hasn't commited fraud, which he has not. He comitted a moral crime, not a legal one.

Basically, you should sue the hotel if you want your money back :D

Also, everyone who sees Plank in this thread, stop getting your panties in a bunch. He probably wants to absorb the situation and act accordingly.

 

[Merkuri]

Nope.
You're living in a dream world kid.
Thats not how the real world works.

Nah, I think you're just completely ignorant of how the legal system works.

Also I'd like to point out that a lot of people are overestimating how much legal action against Plank would cost. Taking him to small claims course would actually be relatively cheap, no lawyer required.

 

[Laijin]

Nah, I think you're just completely ignorant of how the legal system works.

Also I'd like to point out that a lot of people are overestimating how much legal action against Plank would cost. Taking him to small claims course would actually be relatively cheap, no lawyer required.

I'm ignorant as to how things work? And you're the one who believes he could actually get arrested for this given the current evidence. Alright kid.

 

[Merkuri]

I'm ignorant as to how things work? And you're the one who believes he could actually get arrested for this given the current evidence. Alright kid.

Lol dude, you can get arrested for telling someone to jump off of a cliff over the internet. Yes! You are ignorant of how things work.

Edit: And I really hope someone takes Plank to small claims court, we actually need someone to do this so that TOs can stop stealing our money in the future. I really don't want to be worried at every tournament I attend if the TO is going to pull a Plank with my money.

 

[Laijin]

Lol dude, you can get arrested for telling someone to jump off of a cliff over the internet. Yes! You are ignorant of how things work.

Cyber bullying is pretty different from what we're looking at here. This has happened COUNTLESS times in the past in this community and other gaming communities. What makes you think this situation is any different than what has happened in the past. Did those TOs get arrested? lol.

 

[DeLux]

Cyber bullying is pretty different from what we're looking at here. This has happened COUNTLESS times in the past in this community and other gaming communities. What makes you think this situation is any different than what has happened in the past. Did those TOs get arrested? lol.

Did anybody actually think to file a police report and then press charges? Probably not.

 

[Omni]

i'll post this here since some f*ggot mod locked my thread

Next time try posting where there's already a topic for it instead of trying to create a new thread for special attention.

 

[Nicknyte]

Lol dude, you can get arrested for telling someone to jump off of a cliff over the internet. Yes! You are ignorant of how things work.

Edit: And I really hope someone takes Plank to small claims court, we actually need someone to do this so that TOs can stop stealing our money in the future. I really don't want to be worried at every tournament I attend if the TO is going to pull a Plank with my money.

Have you gone to the VA courts official page? I have. http://www.courts.state.va.us/courts/gd/home.html

Excerpt from the VA General District Courts Informational Pamphlet

If your claim is against an established business, and you obtain a judgment against it, its owner will usually honor that judgment as a matter of course. In many cases, however, the person you have obtained judgment against will not pay you.

If the person you obtain a judgment against has no assets, your judgment may be worthless, but if he does have assets, you can “execute” against him through further legal proceedings. You may request the clerk or the judge to issue a writ of fieri facias to collect your
judgment. This writ creates a “lien” (claim) on the defendant’s personal property. To satisfy your claim out of this personal property, you may then ask the sheriff to “levy” on particular items of which you notify the sheriff, or on all the property. You will be required to post a bond with the sheriff to enable him to seize and sell the property and pay to you the proceeds of the sale.
The writ of fieri facias also creates a lien on property not subject to levy, i.e., wages or other debts owed to the defendant. You can execute this lien by garnishment of wages or debts subject to the limits of Virginia law.
Another alternative open to you if you have obtained judgment and are not paid is to request that an abstract of judgment be provided to you for filing against this person in the clerk’s office of the circuit court. This creates a lien against any real property the person owns in that locality.

So, in all due honesty, trying to take around 6K+ from a poor person is worthless. Lol. VA says it themselves. Maybe you can get a bigscreen TV.

 

[Laijin]

Did anybody actually think to file a police report and then press charges? Probably not.

So you guys wanna be pioneers or some **** and go through with filing a police report and press charges huh? Go right ahead actually. I'm just gonna sit back and laugh watching you waste your time.

 

[Laijin]

snip

dude I've been saying that the entire time. Its common sense anywhere that if you sue someone and they don't have money, it means your not getting money either if you win. The court won't order someone to pay for something if all they make is enough to live off of. This is how the real world works little kids. Sorry to break it to you.

And knowing Plank. He's not super financially well off for you to just make magically get your 6k+ back from suing him.

 

[DeLux]

So you guys wanna be pioneers or some **** and go through with filing a police report and press charges huh? Go right ahead actually. I'm just gonna sit back and laugh watching you waste your time.

No need to get all upset. I was just asking the obvious question to help answer as to why no legal repercussions took place.

Just to clarify, there is nothing remotely trailblazing in filing a police report. Thousands of people do it every day when even the most petty of things are stolen.

Typical procedure when you feel you've been wronged is you file a police report immediately. At which point you can let the police/DA decide if there is any sort of legitimate legal wrongdoing after it's been investigated.

 

[Pi]

@King, well put and I agree. Plank if you read this I really think you need to make an effort to at the very least pay off the expenses of the winners for traveling to your event.

@M2K, there is no heaven, problem?

@Hax, I think it's more likely that he realized what was happening as the cancellations came in and wasn't about to call off the tournament either because it was his last and he wanted it to happen, or because his contract w/ the hotel could not be broken and calling it off would have put him in a whole ****on of more debt.

@Pierce, You pay a tournament entry to participate in the tournament. Your service was fufilled.

 

[Laijin]

No need to get all upset. I was just asking the obvious question to help answer as to why no legal repercussions took place.

Just to clarify, there is nothing remotely trailblazing in filing a police report. Thousands of people do it every day when even the most petty of things are stolen.

Not upset. Just amazed you guys would actually consider doing so to someone that gave a lot to the community and to make it even worst, you have not even heard back from him yet/you're not even sure if hes coming up with a plan to do something about it.

 

[DeLux]

Not upset. Just amazed you guys would actually consider doing so to someone that gave a lot to the community and to make it even worst, you have not even heard back from him yet/you're not even sure if hes coming up with a plan to do something about it.

It's not about considering doing anything. It would be dumb not to file a police report.

At which point you can later decide to not press charges when he comes up with his plan in the future. Really, from Plank's best self interest, there really isn't any motivation for him to come up with a plan at this point because nobody is really doing anything.

If they threaten to sue, he doesn't have assets to take. But if they threaten his time, that's a different matter. Obviously the intent isn't to throw him into jail. It's just to give him motivation to redeem himself.

 

[Nicknyte]

At this point, Jail isn't really a bad option. Free meals, guarded from angry smashers, no debt to repay. Jail is literally a better option then wages being taking out of his paycheck :D

 

[Lobos]

lol as if angry smashers were anything to be scared of