Potential Roster/Stage Leak Thread

[Ffamran]

this is getting off topic lol...

More like "OM" than "OT"... I'll be in my corner of shame.

 

[WooMooWooWooMoo]

What if the CSS has multiple pages/scrolls?

 

[uebo7]

Fixed to be Thesis'
Otherwise, fine.

I'm looking for a video of the roster 'sliding around.'

Why do you need a video? Seeing them "sliding in motion" has nothing to do with anything, not that they actually do that. It's about where new unlockables are placed when you get them. They get inserted in between the other characters that they are supposed to be in-between, "sliding" the other characters that were placed after them. It's a fact that this happens in brawl, and it's a fact that so far from what we've seen of smash4 (the e3 demo roster, the Japanese 3ds e-shop roster, and the leaked roster), it is happening here as well.

 

[ミスティック Speed]

What if the CSS has multiple pages/scrolls?

....everybody's mind would be blown.
We'd be looking at around 60 characters if that were the case. I doubt it.

 

[KingBroly]

What if the CSS has multiple pages/scrolls?

our minds can't handle that

 

[Ffamran]

our minds can't handle that

Neither can the 3DS.

Oooh! Shots fired!

Y'know, if the New 3DS existed sooner, then maybe it'd be possible, but no.

 

[Greave]

I don't think Sakurai's tiny balance team could handle that either.

 

[KingBroly]

Neither can the 3DS.

Oooh! Shots fired!

Y'know, if the New 3DS existed sooner, then maybe it'd be possible, but no.

"NEW" Super Smash Bros. for NEW Nintendo 3DS

 

[MrSirSteven]

For all that is good and holy, NO! A THOUSAND TIMES NO! It's putrid. It's a blight on mankind. The Prime series is a glorious golden goose compared to the bubonic plague of bad that is Other M.

On Topic: I wonder what the last stage is. I'm guessing a Duck Hunt stage.

Alright thanks. Honestly, I don't even think there are any Duck Hunt stages on the 3DS. Maybe they'll have it for the Wii U version since we know only like what now 7-8 stages?

 

[Vaidya]

Mario, Luigi, Peach, Bowser, Yoshi, Rosalina, Junior, Wario, Dr.
DK, Diddy, Dixie, Link, Zelda, Sheik, Ganondorf, Toon Link, Impa
Pit, Palutena, Dark Pit, Marth, Ike, Robin, Lucina, Fox, Falco
Pikachu, Charizard, Lucario, Jigglypuff, Greninja, Mewtwo, Samus, ZS, Ridley
Kirby, Meta Knight, DeX3, Ness, Captain Falcon, Villager, Pikmin, WFT, G&W
Duck Hunt, ROB, Mach Rider, Chorus Men, Shulk, Pac, Mega Man, Sonic, Random

Based on all the new/veteran info we've been given, and assuming the clone character positions are tentative, this is how I envision the final roster to be laid out. It most likely might not be exact, but I feel like it'll be very close.

 

[The_Intruder]

Mario, Luigi, Peach, Bowser, Yoshi, Rosalina, Junior, Wario, Dr.
DK, Diddy, Dixie, Link, Zelda, Sheik, Ganondorf, Toon Link, Impa
Pit, Palutena, Dark Pit, Marth, Ike, Robin, Lucina, Fox, Falco
Pikachu, Charizard, Lucario, Jigglypuff, Greninja, Mewtwo, Samus, ZS, Ridley
Kirby, Meta Knight, DeX3, Ness, Captain Falcon, Villager, Pikmin, WFT, G&W
Duck Hunt, ROB, Mach Rider, Chorus Men, Shulk, Pac, Mega Man, Sonic, Random

Based on all the new/veteran info we've been given, and assuming the clone character positions are tentative, this is how I envision the final roster to be laid out. It most likely might not be exact, but I feel like it'll be very close.

I have a theory about the "dixie" in every leak, the "leak" with cripted code (M,D,M,Z,X) mentions this "D", maybe other leakers thought it was "dixie" but after all this was "duck hunt dog", the same for mach rider because of the "M" thing. During all the past POTD, Trailer, direct, there was not hint about "dixie" but cleary with Impa and Ridley with that trophy theory. In purely logical the (M,D,M,Z,X) is cripted code about franchise and not character, and it makes sense for (Bowser Jr, Duck hunt, Ridley, Impa, Shulk). Maybe this is why Ridley was not in some "fake" leaks, because they thought dat "M" was again for a character and not a franchise...

Just a counterfactual analysis

 

[DeathFox137]

Mario, Luigi, Peach, Bowser, Yoshi, Rosalina, Junior, Wario, Dr.
DK, Diddy, Dixie, Link, Zelda, Sheik, Ganondorf, Toon Link, Impa
Pit, Palutena, Dark Pit, Marth, Ike, Robin, Lucina, Fox, Falco
Pikachu, Charizard, Lucario, Jigglypuff, Greninja, Mewtwo, Samus, ZS, Ridley
Kirby, Meta Knight, DeX3, Ness, Captain Falcon, Villager, Pikmin, WFT, G&W
Duck Hunt, ROB, Mach Rider, Chorus Men, Shulk, Pac, Mega Man, Sonic, Random

Based on all the new/veteran info we've been given, and assuming the clone character positions are tentative, this is how I envision the final roster to be laid out. It most likely might not be exact, but I feel like it'll be very close.

I think you forgot Little Mac.

 

[Neanderthal]

Gon' be alot of disappointed people if the leaked roster was final, which seems fairly likely. Especially as time passes.

 

[pupNapoleon]

Why do you need a video? Seeing them "sliding in motion" has nothing to do with anything, not that they actually do that. It's about where new unlockables are placed when you get them. They get inserted in between the other characters that they are supposed to be in-between, "sliding" the other characters that were placed after them. It's a fact that this happens in brawl, and it's a fact that so far from what we've seen of smash4 (the e3 demo roster, the Japanese 3ds e-shop roster, and the leaked roster), it is happening here as well.

Why do I need to see it? It sounds lie your turning a very minute difference, even a turn of phrase, and basing it into an entire illogical theory. You are then clinging to the very, very insufficient data we have from screenshots of unconfirmed images from the CSS at various points during the roster being situated, and claiming it as evidence towards that which we know not for what it stands.

Either way I'm going to drop it, but the statement I originally responded to seems completely baseless.

 

[SuperNintendoKid]

Gon' be alot of disappointed people if the leaked roster was final, which seems fairly likely. Especially as time passes.

well i'll e just fine with it

 

[fanboss2]

Oh ? Here we go... What is this lock Sakurai ?


EDIT : Pic of the day. This time, you can challenge every fighter in All-Star Mode from the moment you turn on the game!! This is a survival battle with limited recovery items and no option to continue. However, this mode will be incomplete until you've unlocked every fighter... Until then, you can only play against characters that are already available. This is a picture of the bottom-screen menu, with a padlock indicating that the mode is still incomplete.

So... IF the CSS and the screen of the All Star are from the same video, the roster is incomplete, as we thought. Right ?

 

[Amherst]

Okay, I absolutely agree with the theory that Sakurai is poking fun at the people who have been following the leak now.

 

[Laikue]

Bombshell PotD, not the final roster, ZOMG. Gonna go scream in happiness.

 

[Mod Aure]

AHAHAHAHA. BEST PotD, I have a feeling Sakurai really was planning this leak all along. Why make All-Star mode so weird compared to previous installments?

 

[Mariohuge]

Well, on one hand, now we know the true meaning of the padlock.

On the other hand, we still don't know whether or not the all-star portion was the same save file as the leak roster.

It never ends, now does it?

 

[JUr]

The leaked roster is not the final roster! Pseudo-oficially!

 

[xXShadeXx]

Well this PotD just blew my mind. Well at least I may have something to look forward to.

 

[AGreatProcrastinator]

Oh ? Here we go... What is this lock Sakurai ?


EDIT : Pic of the day. This time, you can challenge every fighter in All-Star Mode from the moment you turn on the game!! This is a survival battle with limited recovery items and no option to continue. However, this mode will be incomplete until you've unlocked every fighter... Until then, you can only play against characters that are already available. This is a picture of the bottom-screen menu, with a padlock indicating that the mode is still incomplete.

So... IF the CSS and the screen of the All Star are from the same video, the roster is incomplete, as we thought. Right ?

 

[Mod Aure]

Well, on one hand, now we know the true meaning of the padlock.

On the other hand, we still don't know whether or not the all-star portion was the same save file as the leak roster.

It never ends, now does it?

True, but this makes the 'more characters' theory more plausible than the other. If they all came from the same video, it's likely that this is the same. There's no point showing the lock in the video if the CSS was actually complete. Why not show All-Star without the lock?

 

[Beatness]

Yeah, Sakurai is definitely playing around with the leak now. He probably still has plenty of surprises waiting.

 

[Pizzanigs]

Wow, that Pic of the Day... Sakurai, you troll.

 

[Ryu Myuutsu]

Yes! It's not absolute but at least it gives me hope.

All-Star mode is usually unlocked when you get all of the playable fighters in previous Smash games. If the leaked images came from the same source then it might mean that the roster that was showed was not final.

 

[Rakath]

Why do I need to see it? It sounds lie your turning a very minute difference, even a turn of phrase, and basing it into an entire illogical theory. You are then clinging to the very, very insufficient data we have from screenshots of unconfirmed images from the CSS at various points during the roster being situated, and claiming it as evidence towards that which we know not for what it stands.

Either way I'm going to drop it, but the statement I originally responded to seems completely baseless.

Let's use your images shared in your post to start with:

Spoiler

Mario, DK, Link, Samus, Kirby, Fox, and Pikachu all stay in the same order, left to right. When you unlock Marth (using him since he's next in the top row), he goes in after Pikachu, before Diddy Kong and Diddy Kong is moved one square to the right. From that Diddy is bumped off the top row, he pushes Zelda to Yoshi over one square, and the Ice Climbers fall off to the bottom row. This continues to happen, with each new character, falling in between whichever two characters are unlocked that are their neighbors, and so forth until the final roster is unlocked.

But if you look at the final roster the order of Mario > DK > Link > Samus > Kirby > Fox > Pikachu > Diddy > Zelda > Pit > Metaknight > Trainer > Ike > Peach > Yoshi > Ice Climbers > Dedede > Bowser > Wario > Olimar > Lucas remains unchanged if you ignore the added tiles between them. To get all the Mario cast together Pikachu isn't moved so he's behind Peach. And to get all the Space animals together they don't move Falco from one part of the screen to another.

Now, if you look at the E3 Demo roster, eshop roster, and leaked roster:

Spoiler

We have the same pattern system emerge, the difference is in the 3DS version franchise grouping is horizontal, not vertical. So the cast isn't initially separated like in Brawl (where the columns only line up once the roster is completely unlocked). But a pattern of:
Mario > Luigi > Bowser > Yoshi > DK > Zelda > Sheik > Toon Link > Samus > Pit > Marth > Kirby > Mac > Fox > Pikachu > Greninja > Villager > Trainer > Mega Man > Sonic
is there in all three pictures, just with the eshop and ESRB leak rosters with more characters. Further, we have all the characters in the eshop roster in the same order in the ERSB leak.

If you want to go find image captures of the Brawl roster at various stages of unlock to see the characters added where they fall in the sequence be my guest, but this is how the unlock pattern has worked for Brawl, and this is what the evidence we have points to.

 

[Staccato]

So basically now you can access All-Star Mode even when you don't have all the characters unlocked but the mode will be nonetheless incomplete until you unlock everyone, judging by Sakurai's words (I mean, he does say "However, this mode will be incomplete until you've unlocked every fighter... Until then, you can only play against characters that are already available.").

This matches the pic of the All-Star Mode appearing in the spot shown during the direct, where only a few of the characters from 1985-1986 were actually present.

 

[KawaiiPiranha]

I think he's doing this with all star mode because they're going to add some final characters in an update when the wii u version launches.

Otherwise the mode would be unavailable for months.

I've said it before, but I really believe that there will be 3-5 characters that get added as a free update to celebrate the wii u version launch.

 

[Ryuutakeshi]

So... this makes the debate interesting. It's like a trial in Ace Attorney when someone ends up bringing in that last minute evidence.

We can potentially conclude that, for some reason, the ESRB did not see the final roster.

HOWEVER!

We also need to acknowledge a couple other possibilities.

This was an incomplete build, so the all-star screen may not have been programmed for the switch.
The images are compiled from two different unlock periods in the build

Still, this is a strong vote in favor of there being more characters... which I think almost all the leakers have been saying since Day 1.

MEWTWO!

 

[MrPanic]

Oh snap, the thing that was super obvious got confirmed, time to go nuts!

At least I finally got a good explanation for why the All-star mode wasn't greyed out while the bottom screen displayed a lock. Seems so obvious now.

 

[Hotfeet444]

My God, even when a majority (I can now use that word in this sentence and it's fully legitimate and it won't lead to speculation and arguments) of the roster is leaked, almost every mode is shown and everything else that's happened in the past two weeks, Sakurai is still capable of being an A-Class Troll and is still unpredictable. Good show Sakurai, jolly good show indeed. Now the question is...who is there left for us to see?

MEWTWOMEWTWOMEWTWOMEWTWOMEWTWO

 

[Ganonthegreat]

They could have easily worded the POTD differently or changed the screen or anything like that before it's release. They didn't have to acknowledge the lock at all. This makes me think that this POTD is a direct nod to the leak.

 

[MrSirSteven]

This POTD just gave a little bit of my hype back. Holy cow Sakurai, you're a god.

 

[Kuraudo]

Anybody got that leaked picture of the All-Star pic from before?

 

[GamerGuy09]

View attachment 23837

Is there a collection of gifs for each stage.

 

[ミスティック Speed]

My God, even when a majority (I can now use that word in this sentence and it's fully legitimate and it won't lead to speculation and arguments) of the roster is leaked, almost every mode is shown and everything else that's happened in the past two weeks, Sakurai is still capable of being an A-Class Troll and is still unpredictable. Good show Sakurai, jolly good show indeed. Now the question is...who is there left for us to see?

MEWTWOMEWTWOMEWTWOMEWTWOMEWTWO

time to pull out the old pic I made...

 

[SANCHOCO]

This is what I like about Sakurai, he knows how to troll even when leaks are revealed. He truly is a master troll

 

[Hotfeet444]

Find out next week on... SUPER SMASH BROTHERS

It's so close, I can almost taste it! I am glad though...that leakers didn't come out with extra information (that may or may not be fabricated) that could possibly spoil the surprise of some of the most-wanted characters. Though I will admit...I'm curious as to what Ridley's render would look like.