Potential Leaked Roster Surfaces

[~Burst~]

Those aren't the same wario images you're fooling yourself.

 

[SS-bros14]

Those aren't the same wario images you're fooling yourself.

They might not be exactly the same, but it obviously originated from it.

 

[The Light Music Club]

Those aren't the same wario images you're fooling yourself.

I think it's like the fake Chrom picture. They just took an old Wario shot and did some minor editing. From the angle Wario is on the CSS he shouldn't even be missing the pupil, but if you edit it from the SSE it makes sense that it's missing.

 

[ihskeyp]

Those aren't the same wario images you're fooling yourself.

They are clearly the same. Yes, they changed its quality to fit the rest if the images, but the pupils are placed the same strange way, his entire face and shoulders are positioned the same way...
You're seriously in denial if you think waros render didn't originate from that. Lol

 

[RPGatWill]

This Leaked Roster Is Fake...

I'd love it to be fake, but... not to be the devil's advocate here, but hear me out. Wario's art may not have changed much in the new iteration, or they may have taken from one of his pose like the one you've shown.

Secondly, Wario's head in angled slightly lower in the leak than the brawl one. you can see the comparison thanks to your showing them side by side. Wario's mouth is also slightly more closed, though you could argue that is also because of the angle. Unless the EXACT angle is shown seconds after this one, there is no other way to get that unless it was through some 3D modeling or some such to my knowledge.

 

[BunnyBoy1337]

Just like Gemastu was real

Gemastu wasn't wrong, it was just outdated.

 

[Tollhouse]

I'd love it to be fake, but... not to be the devil's advocate here, but hear me out. Wario's art may not have changed much in the new iteration, or they may have taken from one of his pose like the one you've shown.

Secondly, Wario's head in angled slightly lower in the leak than the brawl one. you can see the comparison thanks to your showing them side by side. Wario's mouth is also slightly more closed, though you could argue that is also because of the angle. Unless the EXACT angle is shown seconds after this one, there is no other way to get that unless it was through some 3D modeling or some such to my knowledge.

In photoshop you are able to rotate images. Even if it's titled differently in one pic, it can still be an altered image. What's most important here is the facial expression.

 

[ihskeyp]

I'd love it to be fake, but... not to be the devil's advocate here, but hear me out. Wario's art may not have changed much in the new iteration, or they may have taken from one of his pose like the one you've shown.

Secondly, Wario's head in angled slightly lower in the leak than the brawl one. you can see the comparison thanks to your showing them side by side. Wario's mouth is also slightly more closed, though you could argue that is also because of the angle. Unless the EXACT angle is shown seconds after this one, there is no other way to get that unless it was through some 3D modeling or some such to my knowledge.

Do you really think a leaker would do a weak copy and paste job? He obviously took that image and altered it. Changing how wide his mouth is open and his face pointed more downward is easily done. The photos are far too similar.

 

[TheSqushiestManatee]

I'd love it to be fake, but... not to be the devil's advocate here, but hear me out. Wario's art may not have changed much in the new iteration, or they may have taken from one of his pose like the one you've shown.

Secondly, Wario's head in angled slightly lower in the leak than the brawl one. you can see the comparison thanks to your showing them side by side. Wario's mouth is also slightly more closed, though you could argue that is also because of the angle. Unless the EXACT angle is shown seconds after this one, there is no other way to get that unless it was through some 3D modeling or some such to my knowledge.

Well thats the thing. The only changes are slight at best. This is a good base for it because such little work would have to be done and it wll look the same.

 

[BunnyBoy1337]

Also, that's not Mr. G&W's hand, that's Wario's shoulder.

 

[Tollhouse]

The

Do you really think a leaker would do a weak copy and paste job? He obviously took that image and altered it. Changing how wide his mouth is open and his face pointed more downward is easily done. The photos are far too similar.

Assuming this is fake, the leaker brought upon their own downfall by taking an image of Wario with that pupil which is incredibly distracting and screamed attention to everyone viewing it very quickly. He should've moved the pupil over to make it more visible. It would've looked much more aesthetically pleasing thus more professional. When you do character concepts those little things have to be considered. I think the only true effort put into this was the rendering for duck hunt dog. Most of the other crap looks half-assed.

 

[PeanutProphet]

Through my time lurking here, i have seen a pre existing art of dr. Mario, wario, and bowser jr. That all look extremely similar to the "roster" art.... This is as good as fake in my book.

 

[Holy Twix]

I actually just noticed this. Looking at the Fox images, the background color of each is different.

 

[The Light Music Club]

Yeah I'm pretty sure he made Warios mustache thicker to block off the teeth from being visible. Wario doesn't have that thick a mustache.

 

[~Burst~]

They are clearly the same. Yes, they changed its quality to fit the rest if the images, but the pupils are placed the same strange way, his entire face and shoulders are positioned the same way...
You're seriously in denial if you think waros render didn't originate from that. Lol

His face and shoulders yet they only cut the head and pasted it on the image? lol
Lets also look at where his roof teeth are and how the stash is covering it
also how his head isn't positioned to where you can see the white area under the cap lets look at other images where his eye is behind his nose shall we?
http://purenintendo.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/warioflex_1.jpg

http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120514141116/supersmashbrosfanon/images/8/87/WarioSSBU.png

http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120516213402/fantendo/images/b/b9/MHWii_BikerWario_icon.png

Thats how the character is in general. Taking an image when he generally has the same facial expression in every game isn't solid evidence.

For the record I'm neither for or against but I think its crazy how people edit a picture to match up with another edit and say its fake.

 

[PeanutProphet]

His face and shoulders yet they only cut the head and pasted it on the image? lol
Lets also look at where his roof teeth are and how the stash is covering it
also how his head isn't positioned to where you can see the white area under the cap lets look at other images where his eye is behind his nose shall we?
http://purenintendo.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/warioflex_1.jpg

http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120514141116/supersmashbrosfanon/images/8/87/WarioSSBU.png

http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120516213402/fantendo/images/b/b9/MHWii_BikerWario_icon.png

Thats how the character is in general. Taking an image when he generally has the same facial expression in every game isn't solid evidence.

For the record I'm neither for or against but I think its crazy how people edit a picture to match up with another edit and say its fake.

This would be a logical reason for the leak's wario's eye, but it isn't because his head is angle to far down and to the right for a pupil the size of his other one to be hidden.

 

[~Burst~]

I'm well aware and pointed it out earlier.

You can clearly see Doc's eye while his head is tilted, Wario's is looking straight ahead and you can't see it. Its not at all professional and would not appear like that in a triple A game.

 

[JE-AT]

Is it like a thing to 'leak' smash bros? We did the same thing to Brawl.

 

[ihskeyp]

His face and shoulders yet they only cut the head and pasted it on the image? lol
Lets also look at where his roof teeth are and how the stash is covering it
also how his head isn't positioned to where you can see the white area under the cap lets look at other images where his eye is behind his nose shall we?
http://purenintendo.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/warioflex_1.jpg

http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120514141116/supersmashbrosfanon/images/8/87/WarioSSBU.png

http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120516213402/fantendo/images/b/b9/MHWii_BikerWario_icon.png

Thats how the character is in general. Taking an image when he generally has the same facial expression in every game isn't solid evidence.

For the record I'm neither for or against but I think its crazy how people edit a picture to match up with another edit and say its fake.

They obviously thickened the moustache to cover the teeth. They weren't just going to copy and paste the image. Plus the screen is also at an angle, which can cause deformations. It's the same picture, slightly (literally, barely) altered. The leak is so obviously fake at this point. Shulks face was proven to be an altered little Mac picture as well.

Your response makes you sound ignorant, considering this entire leak was done on photoshop, they obviously altered warios picture. And no, his pupils have never been in that position except in one image, which was found and it's the same image just altered on the leak.

 

[PeanutProphet]

I'm well aware and pointed it out earlier.

Whoops, for some reason that post made it sound like you were saying his eye should be like that.

 

[Niko Mar]

I actually just noticed this. Looking at the Fox images, the background color of each is different.

Actually, in newer pics and such, the background is blue. Just look at this:

Spoiler

 

[~Burst~]

The stash was not thickened to cover the teeth because the bottom row is also in a different angel than the image and even if the stash was thickened the area of teeth under the nose without stash covering it STILL does not match up.

 

[CrimsonYoshi]

PERTAINING TO THE CPU LEVEL/CPU NAME DIFFERENCE:

As I just said, it's different because one doesn't have the character or level yet, and one does. And there could be OTHER reasons like one being amiibo and one being average CPU.

PERTAINING TO CHARACTER PLACEMENT IN ODD AREAS:

A real leak would put them characters in similar series together to make it seem more legitimate. This leaker seems to have skill not only in art but in making it believable, so they would have put them together if they really were. Either it's an early build of the game, or that's where they're REALLY placed. This leaker knows all the tricks and isn't using the most common one.

 

[liets]

The stash was not thickened to cover the teeth because the bottom row is also in a different angel than the image and even if the stash was thickened the area of teeth under the nose without stash covering it STILL does not match up.

You must not know how incredibly easy it is to change things like this in photoshop.

 

[Holy Twix]

Actually, in newer pics and such, the background is blue. Just look at this:

Spoiler

Yeah I checked the smash 4 website and his background was blue. Not sure if it was always like that or just post E3. And if it was always blue, why was it not blue in the E3 demo?

 

[The Light Music Club]

PERTAINING TO THE CPU LEVEL/CPU NAME DIFFERENCE:

As I just said, it's different because one doesn't have the character or level yet, and one does. And there could be OTHER reasons like one being amiibo and one being average CPU.

PERTAINING TO CHARACTER PLACEMENT IN ODD AREAS:

A real leak would put them characters in similar series together to make it seem more legitimate. This leaker seems to have skill not only in art but in making it believable, so they would have put them together if they really were. Either it's an early build of the game, or that's where they're REALLY placed. This leaker knows all the tricks and isn't using the most common one.

Amiibo for 3DS isn't ready to go yet.

 

[~Burst~]

You must not know how incredibly easy it is to change things like this in photoshop.

Well which is it?
The picture is exactly the same?
or it was edited to match that specific image from a random video?

 

[CrimsonYoshi]

I'm well aware and pointed it out earlier.

Wario has smaller pupils and his nose is also larger and gets in the way. Look at official art for both of them and compare. This is entirely plausible.

 

[ShaDoW4408]

I actually just noticed this. Looking at the Fox images, the background color of each is different.

It has already been prooved nothing is wrong with that on the Japanese box art foxes background is blue so it makes sense

 

[CrimsonYoshi]

Amiibo for 3DS isn't ready to go yet.

They're still going to put it in the game. Software needs to be able to recognize NFC and things like that can't be patched in later.

 

[ihskeyp]

PERTAINING TO THE CPU LEVEL/CPU NAME DIFFERENCE:

As I just said, it's different because one doesn't have the character or level yet, and one does. And there could be OTHER reasons like one being amiibo and one being average CPU.

PERTAINING TO CHARACTER PLACEMENT IN ODD AREAS:

A real leak would put them characters in similar series together to make it seem more legitimate. This leaker seems to have skill not only in art but in making it believable, so they would have put them together if they really were. Either it's an early build of the game, or that's where they're REALLY placed. This leaker knows all the tricks and isn't using the most common one.

Um, so because the characters are pasted in an unorthodox order it's real? No. Wario AND Shulks have been proven to be fake images. Samus' bg color is dripping into metaknights. Me G&W's hand is IN Warios box. Some of Ganondorfs bg was clipped into Toon Links.
It's faaaaaake.

 

[SS-bros14]

Guys, just look how easy it is to photoshop:

 

[CrimsonYoshi]

Um, so because the characters are pasted in an unorthodox order it's real? No. Wario AND Shulks have been proven to be fake images. Samus' bg color is dripping into metaknights. Me G&W's hand is IN Warios box. Some of Ganondorfs bg was clipped into Toon Links.
It's faaaaaake.

I don't see the clipping. You people look far too hard into these things and then see what you want to see. If Shulk and Mac have similar facial structures, it's just a coincidence. Ever seen twins? Not saying they are, but some people look similar to other people. Some facial structure is also different. And the hand is not clipping into Wario's box. The shoulder is a bit higher than the arm and you can see it's just weird similarities. It's actually pretty obvious, actually. And there are many reasons why these people are where they are slot wise (time of development, unlockable, clone, etc). We really don't know until the game comes out. All I'm saying is a "pro" leaker would put the series together and this seemingly real leaker didn't. We're all grasping straws here.

 

[RPGatWill]

In photoshop you are able to rotate images. Even if it's titled differently in one pic, it can still be an altered image. What's most important here is the facial expression.

You're able to rotate images and prevent them from breaking? Whenever I rotate an image it's usually in a 2D fashion, and the leak picture in comparison is tilted on a 3D axis which I wasn't aware photoshop could do. I'm not versed in that so forgive my ignorance.

Do you really think a leaker would do a weak copy and paste job? He obviously took that image and altered it. Changing how wide his mouth is open and his face pointed more downward is easily done. The photos are far too similar.

Well I mean the whole point about the eye is because it's a copy and paste job from his brawl image in that video right? Why would he subtly change the angles but not the eye which is the most distracting part of the image? Again, I say this wanting the leak to be fake and I admit the images are very similar.

Well that's the thing. The only changes are slight at best. This is a good base for it because such little work would have to be done and it will look the same.

I don't want to restate so I'll just say my answer above I believe covers this along with my question. Why change the angle and the mouth shape but not the eye? It seems to put as little work into it as possible it would be much easier just to change the eye and not bother with angles where I presume more work has to be put.

 

[ihskeyp]

I don't see the clipping. You people look far too hard into these things and then see what you want to see. If Shulk and Mac have similar facial structures, it's just a coincidence. Ever seen twins? Not saying they are, but some people look similar to other people. Some facial structure is also different. And the hand is not clipping into Wario's box. The shoulder is a bit higher than the arm and you can see it's just weird similarities. It's actually pretty obvious, actually. And there are many reasons why these people are where they are slot wise (time of development, unlockable, clone, etc). We really don't know until the game comes out. All I'm saying is a "pro" leaker would put the series together and this seemingly real leaker didn't. We're all grasping straws here.

Um, yeah they are allowed to have similar facial features, but his picture is at the exact same angle as the picture of little Mac, has the EXACT same mouth, eyes, and brows as him. That's not a coincidence. If you think it is, you're in denial or you're blind. Yes, G&Ws hand IS clipping into his picture. Close up and look at it, it's blatantly obvious and a silly mistake by the leaker. You're blind if you can't see it. Yes, All the other clippings I listed in my previous posts are there too, you're just in denial and ignoring them which makes you look like a fool.

 

[~Burst~]

No one is challenging the possibility of editing the picture.
You guys are the ones finding a random image and saying its the same image used in this "Leak" While saying that that specific image discredits the "Leak" because they look exactly the same.
When someone points out differences in the picture your answer is "it was edited" as soon as POSSIBLE editing comes into play in order to contain similarity then its not confirmed.

 

[WarioJim]

Right, so I've been thinking about this "leak" since I've first seen it. I think it's a very disturbing "leak", should it true.

...But I have an idea to add to the list of proving it fake. Other than Wario's pic looking like it's been ripped from Brawl, other art discrepancies, unnatural character and stage decisions and beyond, I think I have a way of proving it fake... using MATHS!!! ...Well, sort of using maths.

So, look at this image:

Ok, so we have 9 character slots on every row (going horizontally... but I shouldn't have to tell you that, most of you are smart enough to know that anyway).
Now, on the bottom 2 rows, there is clearly space for more characters; 1 space on the 2nd to bottom row and 4 spaces on the very bottom row.
This is the part we take into consideration the DLC characters, of which there are 5. If you were to buy them all, then they'd nicely fill the remaining spots.

The problem: What should be obvious now is that the Mii Fighter's slot isn't there. Let's ignore why it isn't there, even if it seems blatantly obvious.
The fact is, if all 5 DLC characters were bought, how would the Mii Fighters slot fit on the screen? You could argue that it'd replace the random button, but there are a number of reasons why that wouldn't work, like being inconvenient and a poor design choice.


Of course, this whole idea could be shot down provided that the DLC part is the only thing that's fake.
But as of now, we don't know that.
Besides, there are a number of other problems with this "leak" that could help debunk it, that are perhaps more effective than my idea.

...Though the most effective way would be to just wait an see, I suppose.

 

[CrimsonYoshi]

Um, yeah they are allowed to have similar facial features, but his picture is at the exact same angle as the picture of little Mac, has the EXACT same mouth, eyes, and brows as him. That's not a coincidence. If you think it is, you're in denial or you're blind. Yes, G&Ws hand IS clipping into his picture. Close up and look at it, it's blatantly obvious and a silly mistake by the leaker. You're blind if you can't see it. Yes, All the other clippings I listed in my previous posts are there too, you're just in denial and ignoring them which makes you look like a fool.

You're just a little ray of sunshine, aren't you? All I'm saying is wario's shoulder is a pixel or two higher than the hand and when you see it like that my side is more believable. Come on, these are tiny squares in a small screen that has okay graphics. Things can look like that, I see your side of the argument, but look a little closer and maybe you'll be convinced.

 

[ihskeyp]

You're just a little ray of sunshine, aren't you? All I'm saying is wario's shoulder is a pixel or two higher than the hand and when you see it like that my side is more believable. Come on, these are tiny squares in a small screen that has okay graphics. Things can look like that, I see your side of the argument, but look a little closer and maybe you'll be convinced.

The only way if be convinced is if a character gets announced and has the same picture as on here. These pictures don't convince me.

 

[CrimsonYoshi]

Guys, just look how easy it is to photoshop:

That's actually pretty amazing. The only counter I have is that that's only a retexture and not a fully new thing.