Pokemon Trainer (Red!) Discussion

[pineappleupsetshark]

Bah!
Mewtwo's overrated as a character.
And I just don't like him.
So Sakurai will obviously have to take that into consideration.

 

[Bassoonist]

Because of your sole opinion he should no longer be a playable character?

Not that I don't respect your opinion or anything, but that isn't really a reason to say a character shouldn't be in.

 

[dynamic_entry]

Yesh!
Remove Mewtwo from roster, and make him Pokemon's Subspcae Emissary boss.

i didnt mean it in that way. that could how you unlock him or something.

 

[shadowmm151]

Because of your sole opinion he should no longer be a playable character?

Not that I don't respect your opinion or anything, but that isn't really a reason to say a character shouldn't be in.

hahahaha too true! There are plenty of other reasons Mewtwo shouldn't be a PC. Not gonna get into them all now but having him as a boss character is fine by me but on the other hand revamping his moveset and having him return is fine too. As long as he returns to wreak havoc, I'm good.

 

[Kentalish]

has anyone noticed this

squirtles shell is blue

 

[tirkaro]

thats his tail -_-

 

[Kentalish]

lol i just got owned thanks for clearing that up

 

[DJLO]

has anyone noticed this

squirtles shell is its usual color?

fix'd

....tenchar


EDIT:
and since i now see my post is unnecesary, how bout this:

what do you guys think of his costume changes? Im thinking Red(Main) Blue, Ash, Gary, and Brock. Or maybe he can become a chick, like in Crystal.

Or maybe his costume changes make his pokemon shiny...

i just came a little bit

 

[brawlpro]

the pkmn have to look different...maybe their color will change like it does when you nickname them. and i don't think he will change because brock doesn't have those pkmn, and ash has never been in a game...i think his costume will just change colors.

 

[Dilophosaurus Rex]

I think this character will be a very interesting one.

Also, i wonder how a fight will look if everyone will pick Pokemon Trainer. I'm already imagining four trainers running in the background, lol.

I've also been thinking of movesets for the three Pokemon he uses.

Ivysaur:

B: Solarbeam. Ivysaur charges his Solarbeam, and fires it when ready. It damages opponents a lot.
B>: Razor Leaf. Sharp leaves fly in the direction Ivysaur is facing, damaging and knocking back opponents.
B/\: Vine Whip. Ivysaur uses his two vines to strike opponents with. You control the movement with the control stick. It can also be used as a Tether Recovery.

Final Smash: Leaf Storm. Ivysaur creates a whirling vortex of sharp leaves, which severely damages opponents. Kind of something like Mario's, but leafy, instead of fiery.

Charizard:

B: Flamethrower. Charizard breathes fire, which has a pretty long range and works kinda like Bowser's.
B>: Dragon Rage. Charizard fires a small ball of energy which explodes on impact. Kind of like Samus's missiles.
B/\: Steel Wing. Charizard flies up in a 45 degree angle, and his wings damage enemies on touch.

Final Smash: Blast Burn. Charizard fires a huge ball of fire into the center of the stage, where it explodes, and causes huge amounts of damage over a huge area.

Squirtle:

B: Water Gun. Squirtle fires a spray of water which knocks the opponents back a lot, but causes minor damage.
B>: Skull Bash. Squirtle tucks in his head for a short time, during which he will be invincible (but can be damaged), and then he blasts forward, slamming into opponents.
B/\: Rapid Spin. Squirtle retreats into his shell and spins around. Like Bowser's but higher and further.

Final Smash: Surf. Squirtle leaps onto the center of the stage and causes tidal waves to flood over the battlefield, damaging and sweeping opponents along with the waves.

 

[shadowmm151]

I think this character will be a very interesting one.

Also, i wonder how a fight will look if everyone will pick Pokemon Trainer. I'm already imagining four trainers running in the background, lol.

I've also been thinking of movesets for the three Pokemon he uses.

Ivysaur:

B: Solarbeam. Ivysaur charges his Solarbeam, and fires it when ready. It damages opponents a lot.
B>: Razor Leaf. Sharp leaves fly in the direction Ivysaur is facing, damaging and knocking back opponents.
B/\: Vine Whip. Ivysaur uses his two vines to strike opponents with. You control the movement with the control stick. It can also be used as a Tether Recovery.

Final Smash: Leaf Storm. Ivysaur creates a whirling vortex of sharp leaves, which severely damages opponents. Kind of something like Mario's, but leafy, instead of fiery.

Charizard:

B: Flamethrower. Charizard breathes fire, which has a pretty long range and works kinda like Bowser's.
B>: Dragon Rage. Charizard fires a small ball of energy which explodes on impact. Kind of like Samus's missiles.
B/\: Steel Wing. Charizard flies up in a 45 degree angle, and his wings damage enemies on touch.

Final Smash: Blast Burn. Charizard fires a huge ball of fire into the center of the stage, where it explodes, and causes huge amounts of damage over a huge area.

Squirtle:

B: Water Gun. Squirtle fires a spray of water which knocks the opponents back a lot, but causes minor damage.
B>: Skull Bash. Squirtle tucks in his head for a short time, during which he will be invincible (but can be damaged), and then he blasts forward, slamming into opponents.
B/\: Rapid Spin. Squirtle retreats into his shell and spins around. Like Bowser's but higher and further.

Final Smash: Surf. Squirtle leaps onto the center of the stage and causes tidal waves to flood over the battlefield, damaging and sweeping opponents along with the waves.

Good ideas but for Squirtle he should definately wear the sunglasses and ride an actual surfboard for the Final Smash!

 

[shadenexus18]

Ok ok ok, riddle me this. If Red gets to fight with 3 pokemon, does that mean 4 character pokemon slots are taken on the Brawl roster?

 

[Dilophosaurus Rex]

No, there'll probably be a slot for Pokemon Trainer, and once the battle starts, he sends out any of the three Pokemon on him, and you can switch them out with Down B.

 

[MysticKenji]

Ok ok ok, riddle me this. If Red gets to fight with 3 pokemon, does that mean 4 character pokemon slots are taken on the Brawl roster?

No.

He only counts as one character, so he has only one slot.

 

[brawlpro]

shadnexus wtf? read teh dojo man!

 

[<π]

series don't get allotted slots; sakurai does what he pleases. If say... pichu made it to brawl or not, it wouldn't affect the chances of your favorite character making it at all. Sakurai us going to put in what he wants he isn't limited be some imaginary barrier...

 

[Darkfur]

series don't get allotted slots; sakurai does what he pleases. If say... pichu made it to brawl or not, it wouldn't affect the chances of your favorite character making it at all. Sakurai us going to put in what he wants he isn't limited be some imaginary barrier...

EXTREME QFT

That's exactly how it's going to be. Sakurai will do what Sakurai wants. And if for whatever reason that meant every single newcomer from this point on was a Mario character, he'd do it. I doubt he would though.

 

[Yukiwarashi]

fix'd

....tenchar


EDIT:
and since i now see my post is unnecesary, how bout this:

what do you guys think of his costume changes? Im thinking Red(Main) Blue, Ash, Gary, and Brock. Or maybe he can become a chick, like in Crystal.

Or maybe his costume changes make his pokemon shiny...

i just came a little bit

I don't think Pokemon Trainer will change drastically. I think only his colours will change. At best, his colours will change to reflect the main male characters of Gold/Silver, Ruby/Sapphire and Diamond/Pearl. Of course, it'd be nice if the female trainer could be an alternate, but I'm not counting on it.

I think his Pokemon will be shiny for one of his alternates. Black Charizard is awesome!

 

[D.Q]

I've just thought of something... what if different Pokemon types received different damage from the same moves? For example, Kirby's stone would be super effective against Charizard, and Mario's fire ball would not be effective against Squirtle. It would create a lot of strategies.....

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

This isn't pokemon

 

[Darkfur]

This isn't pokemon

THIS IS SPARTAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA SMASHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!

=p

 

[Sinn]

First off, I have to say that this whole thread was the funniest read I've seen in a long time. And I personally always thought that having an actual trainer in the game would be a neat idea, but had no idea how they would pull it off. That said, a couple of points:

Someone mentioned that PT wouldn't be able to have alternate costumes because of the different voices that would have to go with each one, specifically the female trainer models (which I'm hoping they include). I don't think anyone's mentioned this here yet, but they've already done something very similar to this in Melee. If you switch the game's language option from English to Japanese, Jigglypuff's name changes to her Japanese name, Purin, and all of her voice clips are changed to reflect that. I don't see any reason why it would be harder or less likely for them to have the same change based on what character skin you use. And if push came to shove, they could always just use one male voice for all the boys and one female voice for all the girls

@D.Q: I actually wondered if this would be a good idea outside of the Pokémon characters...such as having Ganondorf be weak to light based attacks or having the Ice Climbers be resistant to ice damage. The only problem I see is that this could potentially unbalance the game to the point where it's simply useless to use certain characters against certain others, and the game is probably more fun without it.

 

[Dynamism]

Darkfur: I still haven't seen that movie
Sinn: It is pretty entertaining...and weaknesses/strengths would just get in the way. Speed, Weight, Range, Fire Power, Air Battle vs Ground Battle, Agility, Stamina, Strength, Survival ect... There's enough to statagisize with and use what each char has to their advantages to win,

THIS ISN'T POKEMON??!?!?!?! WTF?!

 

[Yukiwarashi]

Welcome to the boards, Sinn!

Hm...I have no problem with the female trainer, if she's an alternate. The problem is, in Pokemon Trainer's profile Sakurai specifically refers to him as a he. If there was an option of choosing whether you wanted a boy or a girl, I'm sure the girl would've been in the picture with Ivysaur, Charizard and Squirtle as well. So I really doubt a girl trainer will be in the mix.

I'm really against the type advantage/disadvantage idea. We've already got switching and sharing the same stamina bar. Type advantages and disadvantages are way too complex.

 

[dynamic_entry]

Darkfur: I still haven't seen that movie
Sinn: It is pretty entertaining...and weaknesses/strengths would just get in the way. Speed, Weight, Range, Fire Power, Air Battle vs Ground Battle, Agility, Stamina, Strength, Survival ect... There's enough to statagisize with and use what each char has to their advantages to win,

THIS ISN'T POKEMON??!?!?!?! WTF?!

as in, its smash bros, and meant to represent more than just pokemon.

 

[Dynamism]

It wouldn't have shown a chick in those pics (squitle ect...) cause she'd be an altern costume, which btw, they haven't shown ANY for ANYONE so it's still a possibility.
I just noticed that an altern costume chick has been a main topic in this thread since the update...what an odd thing to talk about let alone converse for weeks (maybe months) about????

THIS IS SMASH BROS?!?!?!?!?! WTF?!

 

[Yukiwarashi]

Since when did a character change sex when their costume was changed?

Then again, when did a character ever change entirely? All they ever got was a new colour or a minor form of new clothing (mainly the Pokemon). =l I mean, it would make sense with Mario and Dr. Mario, but everyone else...not really. =/

*cough* Edit: I just realized that there's Nana. But that's it. Shut up. >_>; The Ice Climbers just switched places!

 

[Sinn]

I am welcomed. I feel so...welcomed! And also loved <3

:: ahem ::

ANYWAY...Dynamism's comment makes me wonder if they would ever make a strategy game based on Smash Bros. Like a collectible card game, but more fun. They could use a lot of mechanics that wouldn't be as workable in a fighting game such as type weaknesses and size and whatnot.

And I agree on that costume point too. If they'd put both a male and female trainer in the update, it might have confused some people into thinking they were both the character at the same time, ala Ice Climbers. I remember someone brought up that the only reason it doesn't list the character as Red is because it's translated directly off the Japanese site where he has no official name, but I get the feeling that isn't the case...everything SEEMS to have a pretty finalized feel to it on the site. It doesn't seem like they're going to go back in and edit major parts of the updates in the future (I would think they'd instead just wait to release the information until it was set in stone). If that's the case, then it again begs the question of why would it be PT instead of Red? Even if there's no evidence that there will be alternate costumes yet, it DOES fit the theory, and is the one I want the most, so...I'ma keep believing it until told otherwise =3

 

[Dynamism]

Nana/Popo switch doesn't really count no, but who's to say they won't "diversify" this game beyond what we (the fans) see as it's limits. Maybe in the character selection box for Zelda, you're TP for half and OoT for the others. TP has more speed but OoT has Sheik and more power. (*that's a far stretch but still*)
Maybe moves can be slightly altered and "configured" to the NAME or colour...that would add new dimensions to this game that I bet most people won't even think about.
"Now I'll try this one, someone kick my *** with it in an online tourney, I got some new ideas with Mario, SWEET!!"

 

[Sinn]

I considered the Nana/Popo thing too (I always use Nana as my controllable too), but they're still technically the same character either way.

And whether this is a reason to support alternate costumes or not...why the HELL did they make the PT character model so...NOT detailed? I mean, all the Pokémon look great, and they're obviously more important since they're the ones you control and PT will be harder to see in the background anyway...but would it REALLY have been that taxing to make the model a little more detailed? Was that stretching it too much? Is it the fact that there are three Pokémon models to deal with AND the PT? The world may never know...

 

[Yukiwarashi]

I'm wondering that too. Maybe they'll fix it up for the final game....hopefully.

 

[Procrasticritter]

I don't see how the female trainer as an alt costume wouldn't work... they already have a model to work off of, and sound clips are not that hard to add in. Also, maybe its not that it refers to one character that changes gender, but more than one person- Pokemon trainer is a generic term could refer to a boy or a girl.

maybe that's why Sakurai is calling the character, just "pokemon trainer" instead of outwardly refering ot him as "Red."

one other thing is that Sakurai did say the need for more female characters- that, even if it was just an alt costume and not an entirely different character, would technically be helping to solve that problem

 

[oxyborb]

http://gonintendo.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/55393_dojo_2_2_122_1064lo.jpg

awesome scan with new pics of trainer

pokemon ownage confirmed

 

[Sinn]

O_O

Where the Hell did they get those three pictures of them fighting from?

Good lord, Charizard looks so **q*ing badass...

 

[DJLO]

also, @ Sinn(im agreeing with you), just because the character looks like someone doesn't mean they have to talk like them. Remeber Daisy and Wario in Melee(and wario in 64)? And just becuase Link wore black didnt mean he was mute. My point being this : PT can look like Red, Blue, Gary or Brock but that doesn't mean he has to sound like them(will he talk anyways?)

 

[Yukiwarashi]

=o

I'll get a friend to translate as soon as possible!

Edit: What the heck is Squirtle doing with its arm? o_O

 

[Lipucd]

same thing mario does when he punches...it get a bit bigger. =p

But nifty attacks from both charazard and ivy!

...And is it just me or does PT forever have a pokeball grafed to his hand? 0_o?

 

[freeman123]

I wonder what will happen if Squirtle is holding an item and you switch to Ivysaur. Will Ivysaur be holding the same item Squirtle just had. Or maybe Squirtle keeps it and still has it when you bring him back out. That'd be cool, then you could store items.

 

[Bark252]

Charizard looks like he'll be causing so major wreckage. I love the new pic from the scans.

 

[DainBramaged]

I wonder what will happen if Squirtle is holding an item and you switch to Ivysaur. Will Ivysaur be holding the same item Squirtle just had. Or maybe Squirtle keeps it and still has it when you bring him back out. That'd be cool, then you could store items.

That's probably one of the best questions I've heard lately...

Personally, I don't see why they couln't keep hold to thier items...It'd make sence

I mean....I don't know how they'd pass it to each other when switching...unless they just drop it..but that'd seem a bit unnecessary....pokemon can hold items in thier pokeball, right?