Pokemon Battle! Which Pokemon deserves a Brawl spot the most?

[kaid]

c.In yo face.

How old are you?

 

[Wrath`]

How old are you?

14 and feling good.
Even I find some of my arguments pointless.

 

[kaid]

That must be why you act so immature.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Pichu wasnt popular before it was made into a character for Melee.

Well no that's not true, Pichu's populairity only decreased after he was a character in Melee if I'm correct. Seriously though, Pichu WAS populair.

 

[kaid]

Pichu was popular in Japan even after Melee, but he has since been overshadowed.

 

[shadenexus18]

I'd contest that... Out with the old, in with the new. Lucario for Brawl.

Nah bro, Blaziken for the win! (Of course, I wouldn't mind if they both made the cut.)

 

[Black/Light]

That must be why you act so immature.

F-O seems to be 14-15 from what I know. . .so being 14 isn't that much of a excuse seeing as F-O uses some logic to actually debate in a mature matter.

 

[Wrath`]

It would be very funnie if none of the pokemon we are debating about are even in it.

 

[shadenexus18]

I swear if they put in another ridiculous PK, I'm gonna send Hal Laboratories so much hate mail & plant an explosives in one of those envelopes.

 

[Kirye]

I swear if they put in another ridiculous PK, I'm gonna send Hal Laboratories so much hate mail & plant an explosives in one of those envelopes.

*Even though you'd probably be using the new Pokemon for a span of maybe an hour or two, and then just move on anyway.*

 

[MewtwoMaster2002]

I swear if they put in another ridiculous PK, I'm gonna send Hal Laboratories so much hate mail & plant an explosives in one of those envelopes.

Why HAL Laboratories if they aren't working on Brawl? Sakurai isn't working for them anymore and he has his own team that's working on it.

 

[urban_shinobi]

alright, seeing as i'm pretty much tired of this crap, i have to ask Koarin, are u really 14 man. I just turned 15, and am sad to say that your giving a bad name to your age groups, as well as part of my class group man. Everyone who posts here, even people who are new to the scene have a much better form of post content than you. Your a flaming idiot. you remind me of the bad definition of a newb:

Study up a little, and come back when your educated


I also must say that this comic comes from Ctrl+Alt+Del, property of Tim Buckley

(i think it is fair use, but I dont want to be charged or nuthin)

 

[Wrath`]

(and you call me imature)

1.I am 14 truthfuly
2.I've adimited some of my posts are crap
3.Your cartoon says give wrath to n00b definiton 2.I am the wrath.
4.I have said (if you read the posts)that i give lucario som respect.I dont totaly diss some one elses thoughts.

 

[buddy9246]

Wow, this is just 1 of many posts the Koarin has posted and upsetted people.

 

[KingK.Rool]

I'm somewhat surprised that both Dragonite and Hitmonlee, both very decent choices, are losing to Scizor and Charizard. Hmmm. I'm also a bit disappointed with the lack of Deoxys support.

What I see for Deoxys is: he starts out the match in regular form. B, UpB, DownB, and SideB each trigger a transformation. As kaid pointed out earlier, this could mess up Kirby's sucking ability, but: if SideB is Speed form, pressing SideB while in speed from would be a regular attack. Let's say, Extremespeed. Same for B and normal form. That's the attack Kirby'd copy.I think there's plenty of potential there.

Though a character with 4 forms may seem broken, I actually think of it as a very difficult character to use, because each form is highly specialised (except regular form, which is pretty much Mario like, but missing 3 specials). Bowser isn't broken. Neither is Pichu. One is very speedy but weak, while the other is very powerful but slow (actually, Bowser's also heavy, giving him a double advantage there).

I'm probably making no sense. I need to get some sleep. Maybe I'll come up with a rough moveset sometime in the vague future.

 

[urban_shinobi]

your more of a 10 year old, attention span and brain
all of your posts are crap
your name is overrated, as your are the noob, in fact the total defintion of a complete idiot
and frankly, if i was a pokemon, or a person of immense higher respect, i wouldnt want yours. I in fact, have become a little less smart since i started reading your post. this is a warning for all who think Kaorin has something to say. He doesnt.
(that was for koarin)


for king, that would be plausible. The best thing to do would be to make 4 different characters, as more that about 2 tranformations are kind of broken, unless you explain a way of staying in the tranfo, and having completey different movesets. And hell to all kirby players(lol)

what iwas thinking is that each time you use a differnt B move, he transform for a move ( with decreased lag, or it aint fair) like down B makes him fall fast, Up B is a exteme speed, and B is just attickng with a certain move. his up B could be a sort of teleport, the one he uses.

 

[Wrath`]

All you seem to want to do is degrate me.No one else does.

My nickname at school is seabass or smart dumbazz.The reason is because I'm book smart,but lack common sence

 

[MewtwoMaster2002]

I'm tired of reading all these insults. Seriously, if you want to do that, do it over PM or Forum Disputes instead of here. This is where we discuss "Which Pokemon deserves a Brawl spot the most", not so and so is a noob because of the pointless arguements and doesn't make sense. I didn't come to read all the pointless arguing. Granted there are some who aren't doing that, but there are those who do. The pointless arguement going on seems like an arguement between little kids. If you don't like the way someone is posting, ignore him.

For the Deoxys thing, that seems like a good idea except there are people who want to see Deoxys in a certain form much longer. Plus if we can transform at will, he would be a broken character since he could change forms to counter everything that's thrown at him. He wouldn't be fair since he would practically have no weaknesses. Therefore, I think he would fit better as a Pokemon that comes out of a Pokeball. Then for each time you release him, he'll change to a certain form randomly.

Ex. Attack form uses Psycho Boost or some other powerful attack. Defense form goes to protect whoever releases it. Speed just uses Extreme Speed across the whole stage chasing all the enemies. He doesn't stay for long and only use one form each time he are out.

 

[marth's son 10]

Back to the poll, Lucario or Deoxys. Any fliying type would be waaay too confusing to control, not to mention a very cheap fighter. Mewtwo should be the only Psychic though.

 

[marth's son 10]

Though Eevee would be fun to experiement with.

 

[FiErCe_oNi]

Deoxys transformation? this is the best way i can think of it working

B Down: Transformation Mode
Press B Down and hold B to enter Deoxys Transformation Mode. the transformations would only alter Deoxys stats and appearence and the form Deoxys would transform into would depend on the direction you are holding while you are holding B. you would exit Transformation Mode after you release B and an additional stat boost to the increased stat would be given if the transformation is maxed out.
The directions you hold and what they would alter would work as so:

Neutral/No Direction: Normal Form

This would be Deoxys neutral form that it starts the match with. It would have balanced stats and the form it would turn into would look like the one above with hands instead of tentacles. transforming into this form would give it the above appearence with 2 hands and gradually balance out its stats. If this mode is maxed out, all of Deoxys stats would be given a slight increase.

Side/Left+Right: Attack Form

By holding the control stick to the side while Deoxys is in Transformation Mode, Deoxys would gradually transform into Attack Mode while its appearence gradually changes into the one above with 4 tentacles. While Deoxys transforms into this mode, it would rapidly replace its knockback resistance with additional damage, priority and knockback in all of its moves. If this mode is maxed out, Deoxys attack stats would be given an additional boost.

Down: Defence Form

By holding down with the control stick during Transformation Mode, Deoxys would gradually transform into Defence Form while gradually obtaining the appearence above with flipper arms. While Deoxys transforms into this mode, it would replace some movement speed, attack speed and attack stats with knockback resistance. If this mode is maxed out, Deoxys would have an additional boost in knockback resistance.

Up: Speed Form

By holding up while Deoxys is in Transformation Mode, Deoxys would gradually transform into Speed Mode while gradually obtaining the appearence above with 2 tentacles. While Deoxys transforms into this mode, it would replace attack stats with movement speed, attack speed and some knockback resistance. If this mode is maxed out, Deoxys would have an additional boost in movement speed and attack speed.

what do you think? i think it is the most plausible way of Deoxys transforming abilities. no need to worry about extra movesets. only additional appearences, but that doesnt sound like much of a problem if you ask me.

ps. i dont support Deoxys, yet i wouldnt mind it if it was in the game.

 

[marth's son 10]

I would say Eevee could be the same. And yes, Dragonite would be sweet in Brawl dude.

 

[Black/Light]

For the Deoxys thing, that seems like a good idea except there are people who want to see Deoxys in a certain form much longer. Plus if we can transform at will, he would be a broken character since he could change forms to counter everything that's thrown at him. He wouldn't be fair since he would practically have no weaknesses. Therefore, I think he would fit better as a Pokemon that comes out of a Pokeball. Then for each time you release him, he'll change to a certain form randomly.

I agree on that note. It would actually be like them making 4 characters in one (they have to make the animations different for each/ attack box different for each/ hit box different for each/ stats balanced out for each) which would take more than needed time for just one character. And it's something that either people will largely not use completely (attack and speed form would be the most used) or those who does use it completely would have made him completely broken.

 

[Diddy Kong]

For the Deoxys thing, that seems like a good idea except there are people who want to see Deoxys in a certain form much longer. Plus if we can transform at will, he would be a broken character since he could change forms to counter everything that's thrown at him. He wouldn't be fair since he would practically have no weaknesses. Therefore, I think he would fit better as a Pokemon that comes out of a Pokeball. Then for each time you release him, he'll change to a certain form randomly.

No I don't think that'd be a problem really. Just give the transformation really high lag and it's fine. Deoxys could still end up being a unfair character though, but hey... Peach, Marth and other Top Tier characters are unfair too if you compare them to the lower tier ones. They could also give Deoxys the Mewtwo factor, big target, light frame (except in Defence mode ofcoarse) while still being a strong character...

And FiErCe that's a nice idea for Deoxys' transformation. Good job.

 

[urban_shinobi]

Deoxys would either have to be a lot of playables, or a form change pokeballl character. And if he would transform, the lag time will either suck, or be a weakness for everyone else.

 

[FiErCe_oNi]

look at my transform description. the transformations would not be 1 whole form, but just a tweak in deoxys stats that would gradually take place. for example, you could transform into attack form for 1 second and have results so low, you wouldnt even notice them. then the whole transformation would take so long that you would have to do it little by little or else you would be caught in a combo, for you would be unable to do anything while transforming.

 

[Wrath`]

Although a good way to transform.It would take away posibiltys for cool b moves like phchic,phco boost.

 

[FiErCe_oNi]

Although a good way to transform.It would take away posibiltys for cool b moves like phchic,phco boost.

ummm... why? psychic could be with grabs, psycho boost could be a brawl move...

 

[KingK.Rool]

That's a really good idea, FiErCe_oNi. Well done.

Four forms COULD give Deoxys an unfair advantage, if they were implemented incorrectly. However, I'm thinking that each form, individually, would be relatively underpowered. There'd also be quite a bit of lag between transformations.

However, I think I may have given everyone the wrong impression. Naturally, Deoxys' attacks don't change, just his stats. I suppose they'd have to modify the animations and power of the attacks, but that's all. Also, maybe he should sacrifice the majority of his B moves in exchange for his unique advantage.

I'm not completely sure how they'd do it, but I trust Sakurai to be able to succeed with just about any idea. The main reason I support Deoxys here is because I find him more unique than any of the other Pokemon. Lucario, however awesome, is similar to pretty much every other character when compared to Deoxys.

By the way, I DO support Lucario, very much so, in fact. I wouldn't be disappointed to see Blaziken neither. But Deoxys remains my first choice for a new Pokemon.

 

[Wrath`]

I would actualy like to see electibuzz.It would solve the boring fire streak as oni would put it.
And hes humanoid.

 

[buddy9246]

I would actualy like to see electibuzz.It would solve the boring fire streak as oni would put it.
And hes humanoid.

Do you know how to spell anything, at all, correctly?

 

[Wrath`]

Ha ha buddy aren't you somthing.

 

[shadenexus18]

C'mon guys, cut Wrath some slack. You've been on his/her case from day one. You don't have to shoot down all of his/her ideas & opinions. It just isn't right.

Lets see.....Deoxys. As far as he goes, I would like to see all of his forms with the exception of his Defense Form. This form just looks so out of the ordinary & awkward. That's just me.

 

[Diddy Kong]

That's just the reason why it's awesome! All Deoxys's forms are ment for all out offence. Except his Defence form, which is perhaps the most dangerous of them all. The normal and speed form are both outclassed by the Attack one in my opinion...

 

[urban_shinobi]

i'm still skeptical, and dont get me wrong, i liked eeoxys, and would love for him to be in brawl. I say, when deoxys does an attack, say like his side B be a dashing attack, or sideway hit, and after that, then in a small flash of light he transforms, thus cutting out lag time, and for a few seconds he'll get a boost respective to the power used ( IE down being defence and up being speed as said by Oni) his normal one could be a paralysis move, thus opening the way for another attack, excpet a little easier to hit ( with a farther away hit being less effective).

 

[MewtwoMaster2002]

The thing about holding B longer for bigger difference in stats is it doesn't really represent him much in my opinion. I wouldn't like to see a Deoxys change from Defense to Attack with very little change because of lack of time to hold B. Then it'd be an Attack Deoxys with high defenses and low attack. That just wouldn't make any sense to me.

And if his moves are the exact same in different forms, the only purpose for his defense would be not to get knocked out. There would probably be only a few attacks for defensive purposes. I don't think Deoxys in his defense form should be using any offensive attacks, which he probably have much more of. If Deoxys does become playable, he should have different movesets for each form to fit certain needs.

However, people who master him will eventually take advantage of the abilities of each form. Then he'd be unbalanced. If he kept one moveset for all his forms, it wouldn't really represent him and he wouldn't be very fun (though still fun for the fact he can change forms).

I just came up with the idea that if Deoxys is playable, he can only transform by using his super move. All forms would use Psycho Boost before changing to a random form. That way, no one can abuse his abilities. The downside would be he can't transform when items are off. He may also start out the game at a random form. It would be better if each form had a different moveset though.

Overall, he would be fun to play as, but I think he should be a Pokeball Pokemon if he were in Brawl. I wouldn't object him as a playable character if Nintendo decided to make a completely different Pokemon game with the same style as Smash Bros. That's just my opinion. I'm done talking now.

 

[urban_shinobi]

well....ummm that kinda just summed it up right there. No arugements with me. I'd like for Deoxys to be play able, but it just seems like either he would be unfair or sucky. That, and a Randomized pokebal(think clefairy) would be great to have in the game, giving it a good twist. I'd really like to see how the artwork is goinng to be for the new characters though, because it would be cool t osee our favs with upgraded graphics

 

[Wrath`]

A few faults with deoxyes.I like him but he dosnt seem to have to have a good or fair way to transform.The only thing I can think of is that you choose his form as like you would a color for your garb.

 

[urban_shinobi]

That would suck for team battlers. Say a guy learns to main with speed form, which, hypothetically, is color red. But, when he gets to a tourney, his teamis color blu, defence (ouch). They'd have to have 4 different characters, or a way of changing type and characters at the selection screen. That would solve alot of problems with the sleection screen.

 

[Black/Light]

I agree on that note. It would actually be like them making 4 characters in one (they have to make the animations different for each/ attack box different for each/ hit box different for each/ stats balanced out for each) which would take more than needed time for just one character. And it's something that either people will largely not use completely (attack and speed form would be the most used) or those who does use it completely would have made him completely broken.

QFT. . .
(don't care if it's me)