Pokémon Ancestral Tree

[Terywj [태리]]

I say the same about Venusaur. It's not amphibious, it's reptilian.

And...Magmortar's a BIRD?! O_O

Edit: Nidoqueen and Nidoking seem more like lizards.

-Terywj

 

[Spire]

Ho-oh didn't create the dog trio, it revived them after they died in a fire. Assuming my memory is correct.

Also, ...why is venusaur an amphibian? Venusaur, it's a dino, aka lizard.

Good point. Some Pokemon get misplaced here and there (and some are completely forgotten). I'll move him.

I say the same about Venusaur. It's not amphibious, it's reptilian.

And...Magmortar's a BIRD?! O_O

-Terywj

Well Magby and Magmar are based on ducks or boobies and the mythical fire-salamander. Magmortar is hardly a bird or a salamander, so I categorized him based on Magmar.

EDIT: The Nidos are based on rabbits. They have distinct ears, and last time I checked, Lizards do not.

 

[zrky]

Should typhlosion be included in the lizards?
Can't wait for insects, that should be fun

 

[Spire]

Should typhlosion be included in the lizards?
Can't wait for insects, that should be fun

No way dude, he's like an echidna or something.

 

[Clownbot]

Came up with a couple ideas real quick (was too lazy to do the whole sprite thing since I'm not patient enough for that )

Poliwag > Poliwhirl > Poliwrath (or Politoed?) > Egg > Croagunk > Toxicroak

Kabuto > Kabutops > Egg > Anorith > Armaldo

Psyduck > Farfetch'd

EDIT: Anorith > Armaldo > Egg > Nincada > Ninjask

Just threw these together real quick and thought I might as well show you guys.

*may edit with more possible chains*

 

[Terywj [태리]]

What exactly is Wigglytuff anyways? Some sort of rabbit?

Also, Electrode would fall under the "Unknown Tier".

Edit: I see Rhydon under "Pachyderms" but not Rhyperior?

-Terywj

 

[Wave⁂]

RhyHORN stands on four legs, Rhyperior on two.

HOLY CRAP IM SO STUPID kthx

 

[Spire]

What exactly is Wigglytuff anyways? Some sort of rabbit?

Also, Electrode would fall under the "Unknown Tier".

Edit: I see Rhydon under "Pachyderms" but not Rhyperior?

-Terywj

I was actually just discussing the Wigglytuff thing with a friend of mine yesterday afternoon. Yeah, they're rabbits. I'll add them.

I thought Rhydon better represented that family seeing as how Rhyperior is extra. Rhydon can breed just as well and physically are closer to other Pokemon (Aggron who it NEEDS to be compared to).

 

[Terywj [태리]]

When are them bugs and crustaceans going to be added?

@Annoying: Rhydon stands on two...

-Terywj

 

[Spire]

When are them bugs and crustaceans going to be added?

@Annoying: Rhydon stands on two...

-Terywj

You could do them if you want. I haven't been able to find the time, but I will eventually if no one else does.

We need: plants, mollusks, crustaceans, insects and arachnids.

Oh, and Corsola is going to be added to the fossil tier.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Aren't horses odd-toed ungulates?

...Shouldn't it be listed in the same catergory as the tapir, drowzee/hypno since they are odd-toed?

Edit: Also pigs are actually even-toed ungulates so drowzee/ hypno being a tapir should be in a different category than the "swine"

 

[Spire]

Aren't horses odd-toed ungulates?

...Shouldn't it be listed in the same catergory as the tapir, drowzee/hypno since they are odd-toed?

Edit: Also pigs are actually even-toed ungulates so drowzee/ hypno being a tapir should be in a different category than the "swine"

But they're so closely related (more so than any other Pokemon) that I merged 'em together. I actually had them split into different categories at first, but decided to merge them so as to make it less complicated. We can't be too precise.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

But they're so closely related (more so than any other Pokemon) that I merged 'em together. I actually had them split into different categories at first, but decided to merge them so as to make it less complicated. We can't be too precise.

Why not create a catergory just called ungulates?

...Also, tapirs are apparently closer related to horses than pigs, they just look like pigs.

Also, the term pachyderm is not used by science anymore.

Rhino's are actually ungulates

 

[Terywj [태리]]

I could get started on those if necessary.

Mollusks...Clamperl...and...? [Brain dead at the moment]

-Terywj

 

[Spire]

Why not create a catergory just called ungulates?

...Also, tapirs are apparently closer related to horses than pigs, they just look like pigs.

Also, the term pachyderm is not used by science anymore.

Rhino's are actually ungulates

Alright, I'll throw them all under ungulates.

I could get started on those if necessary.

Mollusks...Clamperl...and...? [Brain dead at the moment]

-Terywj

Mollusks: Omastar, Cloyster, Clamperl... and somewhat Tentacruel, then Gastrodon and Magcargo.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Corsola and Tentacruel are related as Cnidaria, since tentacruel is a jellyfish

 

[Spire]

Corsola and Tentacruel are related as Cnidaria, since tentacruel is a jellyfish

I'm honestly learning a lot from you. Thanks

What about Shuckle? It's a fungus.

Corsola > Tentacruel
Shuckle...

Might Corsola be the first Pokemon since it's the closest to the red tube worms that are suspected to be the source of all life?

Corsola > Tentacruel, Cradily
OR
Corsola > Cradily > Tentacruel > Omastar > Cloyster, Clamperl > Gastrodon > Magcargo
.............................Tentacruel > Omastar > Kabutops > Kingler, Crawdaunt / Armaldo > Parasect, Scyther, Pinsir
................................................ Omastar/Kabutops > Relicanth > fish > amphibians > reptiles (Rampardos, Bastiodon, Aerodactyl) > birds > mammals

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Shuckle is a slime mold so you should have a fungus category...

Breloom is obviously a fungus, but what about Parasect?

It's a mushroom that has taken over an insect as it's host...

Technically it exists as both, though the mushroom is the one in control of it.

 

[Spire]

Shuckle is a slime mold so you should have a fungus category...

Breloom is obviously a fungus, but what about Parasect?

It's a mushroom that has taken over an insect as it's host...

Technically it exists as both, though the mushroom is the one in control of it.

Parasect is really interesting. It seems as though it came about due to these two chains merging:

Shuckle > Breloom > mushroom +
Kabutops > Crawdaunt/Kingler > crab-like insect host =
Parasect

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Also, under "Fish": Huntail and Gorebyss.

-Terywj

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Also, under "Fish": Huntail and Gorebyss.

-Terywj

But they evolve from Camperl...

Maybe they are some kind of bizarre shell-less mollusk

 

[Terywj [태리]]

But they evolve from Camperl...

Maybe they are some kind of bizarre shell-less mollusk

Ehh. I thought they would be significantly different enough.

-Terywj

 

[Spire]

But they evolve from Camperl...

Maybe they are some kind of bizarre shell-less mollusk

Yeah, that's what I hate about them. It's a mollusk that evolves into two eels.

I usually categorize Pokemon by their adult forms, but in this case (and Tyrogue's), the base Pokemon is the defining species.

But perhaps you are right Psycho. Huntail and Gorbyss may be mollusk-fish. I'm just going to look at this and assume that anything of that sort is possible:

 

[Terywj [태리]]

I'll work on the "Plant Tier" I guess. I may be able to work my way through all of them. But for now I'll tackle plants.

Also...should there be some sort of "Mineral Tier"? I.e. Regirock, Regice, Registeel, Castform, Glalie, Golem, etc.

Edit: What the heck is Exploud supposed to be...?!

-Terywj

 

[Spire]

I'll work on the "Plant Tier" I guess. I may be able to work my way through all of them. But for now I'll tackle plants.

Also...should there be some sort of "Mineral Tier"? I.e. Regirock, Regice, Registeel, Castform, Glalie, Golem, etc.

Edit: What the heck is Exploud supposed to be...?!

-Terywj

I see the Exploud family as a 3rd gen equivalent to the Wigglytuff family; both are based solely on singing/noise. While Wigglytuff is a bunny, Exploud seems to be some sort of uh.. well Whismur and Loudred look sort of like bunnies too. Really abstracted bunnies, slightly moreso than Jigglypuff and Wigglytuff are (Igglybuff is just a ball with a cotton tail on its head). Exploud is just some weird creature designed specifically for the concept of BEING REALLY LOUD.

But yes, we need a Mineral category also. Keep in mind that all you have to do is post the sprites of the fully evolved (or best representative stages) of each family. The lists I made aren't to show evolution yet, just categorizing.

 

[SpiredMoth]

Not sure how helpful I'd be, but I'll offer to help with somehing.

 

[victra♥]

heh this is pretty neat. The Pokemon Center has some pretty neat projects going on.

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

This is cool. If I think of anything I'll make sure to add it, but a lot of the stuff I thought about when I first saw this has been stated already.

Hmm...

 

[Terywj [태리]]

I'm working on the plant and will be starting on the crustacean and arachnid tiers.

[Epic nostalgia of when the Next Gen threads were booming during 07-08. xD]

-Terywj

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Here it is, the Plant Tier. I'll work on the Mineral, Crustacean, and Inscets if need be.

PLANT

-Terywj

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Cradily is actually a type of coral, and not a plant.

Cradily is an anemone...

So it's related to Tentacruel and Corsola

 

[Wave⁂]

Sudowoodo:

Although it always pretends to be a tree, its composition appears to be closer to a rock than a plant.

Despite appearing to be a tree, its body is closer to rocks and stones. It is very weak to water.

Cradily is the "Barnacle Pokémon".

Cradily roams around the ocean floor in search of food. This Pokémon freely extends its tree trunk-like neck and captures unwary prey using its eight tentacles.

And, in case anyone is wondering, Abomasnow is the Frost Tree Pokémon.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

I only based Sudowoodo off of Bonsly because Bonsly was a bonsai tree. But I'll go ahead and remove Sudowoodo and Cradily.

I'm starting on the Mineral Tier.

-Terywj

 

[Spire]

I'm really iffy about Celebi, but Cradily should stay. It's the closest thing we have to any sea plants, so as long as we recognize its origins and relations to Tentacruel and Corsola, we're good.

But back to Celebi.. what exactly is a fairy? Is it a humanoid, an insect, or just something entirely different? If anything, Celebi and Clefairy are related. OR, Celebi is the product of some leaves and magic.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Celebi's an onion, isn't it?

Anyways. I'm thinking the Mineral Tier will look like [in random order]: Golem, Sudowoodo, Probopass, Muk, Weezing, Castform, Regirock, Regice, Registeel, Lunatone*, Solrock*, Glalie, Froslass, Steelix, Claydol, Metagross, maybe Bronzong.

*Unless we devote a Space Tier, or keep it the Unknown Tier, then I vote that Solrock and Lunatone be placed in the Mineral Tier.

Also, where exactly will Mawile, Togekiss, and Jirachi be placed?

Kecleon should be under the Lizard Tier.

-Terywj

 

[Spire]

An onion? Where did you hear that? Celebi is based off of a fairy (I still believe it's based on both Link and Navi) and resembles a fairy.

Sudowoodo is a petrified tree and if seen in the real world, would be a tree before the petrification, so that gets priority. It may be rock type, but it's still a tree. Just a really, really hard tree. Muk, Weezing, and Castform definitely don't belong in the mineral tier. I've already placed Muk and Weezing in the bottom tier (aka man-made, man-influenced, unknown origin, outer space tier). Muk and Weezing seem to come from man-made commodities (sludge and poisonous gas).

Mawile is bizarre. I have no idea what to do with it. Togekiss and Jirachi also seem to be fairies though. I would happily put the two of them, Celebi, Clefairy, Chansey, and Manaphy in the same group.

Did I miss Kecleon? I'll add him.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Yeah that's what I based my judgement of Sudowoodo on: Bonsly, which is a bonsai Pokemon. Therefore it's a tree, which means it's a plant.

Castform is basically...water. That's why I placed it in the Mineral Tier.

BTW how will we be able to keep to Tier Lists in the opening post without exceeding bandwidth?

-Terywj

 

[Notlays_Nvhzl]

Mawile seems to be a close reprsentation to a crocodile for me based on its huge jaws (lol when spoken in cockney), but bulbapedia states it might be based more of a woman with a mouth in the back or even a carnivorous plant, and says the "jaws" are actually horns.

Hmmm... Crazy theory time!!

Mawile were Rhyhorns that were used for experiments to see if they can be make resistant to plants and water, aka pure steel. However, the immense tests it had to go through made it smaller and weaker that its counterpart, making the experiment somewhat unsuccessful. They dumped all of the failures to the great marsh, where they learned how to catch prey through Carnivines, and with time their horns became more jawlike. Other scientists dicover the new "species" and try to find alternative space for that pokemon as the Marsh is in risk of shrinking. They eventually discover that caves and rocky areas are best suitable for them.

End crazy theory time!!!

 

[Ninjabait]

Hmm. This looks like fun. Might as well throw in my opinions on the matter.

PRIMATE

Out of the primates, these are my only 'problems'. Considering the hairless state of Meditite, Medicham, Machop Machoke, and Machamp, I'd say that they would fit better into the Humanoid category, as that is where they would seem to fit. But then again, humans are a species of primate, so one could argue that the primate and humanoid categories should be merged, but I digress.

FELINE

After doing some thinking, I would argue that Mew is some sort of bacteria or amoeba, considering the fact that it can change it's form at will (a trait that it shares with the Pokemon Ditto, who, from appearance, one would guess would also be an amoeba) and is described as the 'origin of all common Pokemon', one would guess that it shares common traits with all species, ergo being the first living organism on the planet, similar to the theories that bacteria and amoebas started off animal life on our on planet.

As for Celebi, Jirachi, Cleffa, Clefairy, Manaphy, Clefable, Mawile, Phione, Happiny, Chansey, Blissey, and, to some extent, Igglybuff, Jigglypuff, Wigglytuff, Togepi, Togetic, and Togekiss (although the later three seem to be more like birds, while the former three seem to be rabbits) would require their own, unique, family. Considering that they show little to no common traits with other Pokemon, I'd guess that they would fit better into their own family.

DRAGONS

Now this brings up another problem, considering that Charmander and Charmeleon appear to not be dragons at all, but rather, lizards. Shouldn't they be in listed in the Lizard category, while Charizard is listed in the Dragon category?

I also think that Milotic and Gyarados should be in the Snake and/or Dragon categories respectively, while their pre evolutions should be in the fish category. Considering that the legend that they are based on depicts a small and weak fish climbing up a waterfall, and transforming into a giant sea serpent/dragon.

Another problem arises with the Big Fish and Fish categories, and this problem being Sharpedo, Mantine, and (although it is another tier), Garchomp. The are based on Chondrichthyes (which I probably spelled wrong), a form of cartilage based sea creatures, classified in a separate category than fish, meaning that these three (along with their pre evolutions) should have their own category, separate from the fishes.

And, as one final thing, what about ghosts? They don't seem to be animals, fungus amongusai plants, or bacteria, so where should they go?

 

[Terywj [태리]]

The problem with the differences in evos, as you have stated, is that it would be too many that have differences to add on.

There may be a Ghost Tier, beings which originated from Giratina.

-Terywj