Plusle and Minun, anyone?

[Tom]

I acquiesce, you bring many important points to the table.
If they add more pokemon, they probably should make them fire/water/rock/grass based. Would make for some cool moves and graphics, and we've got Pika and Pichu already as Thunder.

*sigh* My hat is off to you, McFox, and all I can do is hope that they are either alternate Pichu costumes, or that the devs love Plusle and Minun more than the boards do.

 

[outofdashdwz]

I'd just like to iterate that Plusle and Minun are nothing like Pikachu. They are much worse. Without the benefit of Light Ball like Pikachu does, they can't do anything. NU Baton Passing is the only way these mice would serve any slight purpose, and even in that category, Volbeat does it 20 times better. This is in terms of competative battling of course...

These 2 are probably more fit to play the doubles role than the ICs.

In Ice Climbers for NES, Popo and Nana didn't have to be used together. Hell, Nana could go wherever she wanted on the screen without the ******** restraint applied in SSBM. They can be independent.

Plusle and Minun can't. They are unusable alone. Actually, their not that much more usable together, but the point is, they are inseperable and would make a very nice replacement or addition to SSBB, kicking out Pichu and/or ICs.

And as a counter argument for too many electric mice, Mario, Luigi, Doc, and Wario all look (kinda) similar. Doesn't mean they have to play the same.

 

[CaliburChamp]

I would love if they added them together. The difference would be duo electricity combos. Double Thunder, double thunder jolts, double headbutts. (total shield wear down.) They would make a perfect pichu replacement. They just sound very very ideal. And Pikachu would have different properties than them, stronger, larger, heavier, jump higher, air mobility, same speed and agility im guessing. Plusle and Minum could be stronger as a team, and be able to pull off some crazy combos and deal more damage for a dual strike, weak damage if only one attacks.

There should be at least 2 duo characters. IC and Plusle and Minum Im hoping. But if IC do get take out, which I hope not, then probably the Hammer Bros. and not Diddy and Dixie, cause I think Diddy kong should be his own character.

 

[CaliburChamp]

True, we don't already have a Pichu-Pichu team, but we've already got two electric mice. Adding more doesn't add anything to the roster, it's just more of the same. If they add more Pokemon, they need to add more varied elements, not more of what's ALREADY in the game.
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Dude... I dont want 3-4 electic rodents in the game either. But have you ever heard of replacing? Geez, they can take out Pichu for good and add Plusle and Minum together as a duo. So there would only be 2 electric type rodents in the game, each with different physics. And its highly unlikely that they would add Raichu, although it might make a sweet alternate costume for Pikachu. And the elements dont mean so much in smash like they do in pokemon games. Nothing is super effective against a character. Like...

Pikachu uses THUNDER on Pit. Its super effective. Enemy Pit faints. Pikachu gained 2,300 exp. points.

In the pokemon world thunder is super effective against flying types. And Pit flys. But this isnt a pokemon game its smash. And one Pikachu and Plusle and Minum are very different in how they perform their attacks even though they are both electirc rodents, they are different in style.

 

[DokturSea]

I REALLY don't want them in Brawl, but, the sad thing is, I can REALLY see that happening.

 

[Mic_128]

There should be at least 2 duo characters

Why?

I dont want 3-4 electic rodents in the game either.

They can take out Pichu for good and add Plusle and Minum together as a duo.

If they did that, there'd still be 3.

 

[Paranoid_Android]

Could be a good Pichu replacement. Personally, I don't want to see a ton of pokemon on the roster.

 

[Meta_Owns_Ur_Mom]

cool! that would get rid of pichu for sure

 

[TwilightKnight]

I would prefer any other pokemon over those two to replace Pichu.
Seriously enough with the electric rats Pikachu is enough already.

 

[NukeA6]

We don't need any other rodent besides Pikachu.

Take a look at this list; would rather have one of these or another Pikachu?

Hitmonlee
Hitmonchan
Machop
Machoke
Machamp
Scyther
Scizor
Rhydon
Deoxys
Tyranitar
Nidoking
Lubario
Sceptile
Sneasel
Gengar
Meowth
Electabuzz
Magmar
Feraligatr
Vigoroth
Alakazaam
That Steel robot Pokemon (forgot the name)
Primeape
Golduck
Dragonite
Granbull
Gardevoir
Blaziken
Typhlosion
Sudowoodo

 

[Silpheed]

We already have 2 electric rodents, why on earth would we want more? There are much better pokemon, and much better "IC" style characters (IE, Hammer Bros, Diddy and Dixie. ect)

^ QFT, and Co-Sign.

 

[Meta_Owns_Ur_Mom]

true enough with the rodents, i only said that b.c. id prefer anything then pichu b.c. pichu blows. the best one would be deoxys

 

[G.Fizzle]

Plusle and Minun as an IC/Pichu combination? I dont see anything wrong with the idea. It would be an opportunity to have more double characters like IC, and there would be no problem with third party licensing.

Discuss? Flame? Personally, I think it would be fun as hell.

I do not agree wit u one bit on this

 

[Wolfblade]

Plusle and Minun would be brilliant. I can see their taunt right now. They both stand up and clap for each other. And it should give them a lil power boost if they pull the taunt off. Luigi has the only taunt that damages why not give this lil duo (who would be faily weak in the defence/ weight department) and allow them to have the only taunt that boosts strength/ speed/ whatever for a short time. But I do love Pichu's taunt and I would miss it. If you run and use it it looks like he fell on his arse, it's adorible.

 

[Rash]

Well, it would be nice to have another double-fighter on the roster. I'd much prefer Plusle and Minun over Pichu, just because there's more potential for strategy in them. Now, this is if they have to keep another Pikachu-esque character in the game; in a choice between replacing and keeping Pichu, replacement by P&M would be much in favor.

I'll agree that, if Pichu happens to leave the roster, there should be another, clever selection for a Pokemon to replace him. Deoxys or Meowth wouldn't be bad (as I've said in other threads).

 

[McFox]

Have I mentioned that this is a terrible idea? Because it is. I still have yet to see any legitimate reason that they should be added to the game.

 

[DokturSea]

Plusle and Minun as an IC/Pichu combination? I dont see anything wrong with the idea. It would be an opportunity to have more double characters like IC, and there would be no problem with third party licensing.

Discuss? Flame? Personally, I think it would be fun as hell.

I see something VERY wrong with it. The Pokemon world is so big that there are SO many Pokemon that are better to choose from than more electric mice! There's Zangoose, Machamp, Hitmonlee/Chan, Blaziken, Lickitung, Snorlax, and so many more. For god sakes, we already have TWO electric types. And they're both rodent-like creatures! Give us something new and fresh!

 

[Silpheed]

What boggles me is that theres 395 known pokemon, and everyone wants more pikachu/eletric rat clones.

EDIT: Please SW forums. Look at this list, and make sure you actually think it out, and know what you are requesting. Theres 392 reasons why this is the dumbest thread ever.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Pokémon_by_National_Pokédex_number

 

[FoxfireKit]

I think this is generally a pretty good idea. ^^ but, there are so many other possibilities, and not only in the pokemon world. It is a cool idea, it's just that there could be some better characters for it's place. I say it's better than pichu, but just pikachu is enough electric rodents for the game.

 

[FlipTroopa]

I can see these two appearing, WITH original moves (do any of you guys play Pokemon, or at least keep up with? ), but if they were to make a second duo, it could soooo better go to some other pair. Regardless, if they only take on 3rd gen rep, Deoxys wins out, always.

Just for fun, here's a quick B moveset for these two, using a few signature moves of their own:

Plusle and Minun, the twin electric rabbit Pokemon!

B: Spark -- The Pokemon in front shoots out a field of electricity around their body, similar to Kirby's Spark ability in his games. If you hold B, they can walk with the field, but its power and range decrease significantly, as does their walking speed. The partner only uses this attack when next to you, and adds to its range.

>B: Fake Tears/Charm/Thunder Wave -- Plusle gets Fake Tears, while Minun gets Charm. Plusle will cry like a baby, and negate energy/special damage he receives while using this attack. Minun gets Charm, which works similarly, but against physical blows. When the two are together, however, they combine their attacks for a Thunder Wave, paralyzing opponents they zap.

^B: Helping Hand -- Pretty clear cut. Similar to Belay, the one you control yells out for the other, who leaps towards them. The two fly into the air together, holding hands and tumbling upwards. At the end of their ascent, about the height of a Belay, the one you control is flung higher into the air than the other.

vB: Charge -- Focuses energy. Works similar to a charged attack like Samus's Charge Shot, only there's no finishing offense. The Pokemon focus their electrical energy and charge up, creating a powered up static force around them. Whenever they use electrical attacks while charged, they deal double damage with increased knockback. The catch? Since Plusle is positively charged, and Minun negatively, if you try Down B while the two are together... they negate each other. You must be solo to get the full benefit of Charge (you can have your partner out and about while you Charge, just don't touch them if they come back near you and start charging or are charged)

Individually, Plusle is stronger, but Minun is a little heavier. Most of their A attacks and throws involve shocking the opponent, hence the less electrically-inclined special moveset.

 

[fluffy]

pichu is bad as is. y do u want to make a lower form?

 

[Mic_128]

Now, this is if they have to keep another Pikachu-esque character in the game;

They don't.

Plusle and Minun would be brilliant. I can see their taunt right now.

....they should be in because of a cute taunt? Worst reasoning ever.

 

[fluffy]

....they should be in because of a cute taunt? Worst reasoning ever.

well actually...i think thats how pichu was added. but theyre not going to redo that mistake.

 

[Rash]

Well, it would take some serious analysis of the Pokedex to see which Pokemon would be best to replace Pichu as a playable character, in contrast to finding which Pokemon to fit into "Pokeball" status. Plusle and Minun is an easy way out, as it's pretty much just creating two Pichus as one character.

However, I'll disagree with anything that has to do with the "easy way out." If need be, Pichu, as a playable Pokemon, should be replaced by one which would do the SSBB roster justice. But, this is a tough thing to do, considering that there are nearly 400 Pokemon to choose from. This is why fitting a "legendary" in the game such as Deoxys is a good idea. He's powerful enough, and he contrasts the other 394 Pokemon enough to make him a worthy non-pokeball character, just like Mewtwo.

Pichu's presence is the result of desperation towards more characters. At the turn of the Millenium (the same time as the Gold/Silver Pokemon games) fans were introduced to what is basically an even more cute version of Pikachu, and fell in love with it. Due to this rush of popularity, Pichu got the green light, and is the Pikachu clone in SSBM we know today.

However, since then times have changed, and the Pokemon of the last few generations have sunk in. Some have become nearly obscure, while others have gained popularity. Either way you look at it, there isn't any immediate excuse of popularity-based roster changes (for Pokemon, anyway) because everything has evened out; instead of just choosing the most popular of them, it'll take a good analysis of which Pokemon deserve to be in the game, and what Pokemon the fans want to be in the game. Surely the one that takes Pichu's place will be better thought-out.

 

[c.falcon 58]

I Don'T Think Its A Good Idea Because There Are Way Better Pokemon To Put It Instead Of Those Two

 

[*Thrash*]

I'm all for it, I think the whole plus/minus/magnetism theme has lots of potential and can prevent them from being clones of our other two not-so-beloved electric rats.

At the very least, they should be in a Pokeball: the two run away from each other and then gather electricity, forming an electric barrier between the two, making a damage dealing line. Any character caught in the electricity will receive damage (like Zapdos, but you can move and it deals less damage.)

 

[#HBC | marshy]

This idea sucks. Let's get rid of Pichu and put in even worse (which I didn't think could happen) versions of Pikachu.

I don't care if they'd be on a team, this is still a horrible suggestion along with most of the character suggestions in this room.

 

[Black/Light]

We need different kinds of pokemon, not more pika likes. . .

 

[the problem]

We already have 2 electric rodents, why on earth would we want more? There are much better pokemon, and much better "IC" style characters (IE, Hammer Bros, Diddy and Dixie. ect)

yeah i completely agree with u tghey have enough pokem and diddy dixie would be an wasome team

 

[Black/Light]

yeah i completely agree with u tghey have enough pokem and diddy dixie would be an wasome team

Hold up, they DONT have enough pokemon seeing that they only have 3 kind reped (Mental, thunder and normal). There should be a fire (Blaziken), steel (Lucario), grass ( Grovyle) and water ( Swampert) rep in SSBB.

And replace Mewtwo with Deoxy and take Pichu out.

 

[#HBC | marshy]

No, there are already too many and we don't need 7 pokemon.

 

[Black/Light]

No, there are already too many and we don't need 7 pokemon.

So we shouldn't get more characters from one of the N's biggest cash cows? There are most likely (If none of the ones from melee are tooken out) 8 + Mario characters that are going to be in brawl so I see nothing wrong with 7 pokemon.

And theres going to be more pokemon. . . We all know this. So why not raw/ unique ones?

 

[Stryks]

No more cute pokemon!! The only pokemon I want in brawl is Deoxys, pretty much it.

 

[#HBC | marshy]

So we shouldn't get more characters from one of the N's biggest cash cows? There are most likely (If none of the ones from melee are tooken out) 8 + Mario characters that are going to be in brawl so I see nothing wrong with 7 pokemon.

And theres going to be more pokemon. . . We all know this. So why not raw/ unique ones?

The only reason I said I didn't want more pokemon was because there are many other characters I want and pokemon are at the bottom of my list.

wow, this sure was a waste of a 1,000th post.

 

[NukeA6]

So we shouldn't get more characters from one of the N's biggest cash cows? There are most likely (If none of the ones from melee are tooken out) 8 + Mario characters that are going to be in brawl so I see nothing wrong with 7 pokemon.

And theres going to be more pokemon. . . We all know this. So why not raw/ unique ones?

Mario is special. He saved the videogame industry from death. And no, we don't need 7 Pokemon. 4 is enough.

 

[McFox]

There are a ton of great Pokemon possibilities. More electric types probably don't fit the bill, because we already have electric. Let's get some different types represented.

 

[S.S.B.M]

That would be so awsome!Think of it now maybe Slippy and Peppy!

I'm in for it!

 

[S.S.B.M]

McFox is right we different types like umm................Wigglytuff and Clafable!

 

[McFox]

Don't double post.

 

[Black/Light]

Mario is special. He saved the videogame industry from death. And no, we don't need 7 Pokemon. 4 is enough.

While, pokemon 1. Give Nintendo a hella lot of money 2. Opened the doors for the fludd of anime cartoons (Im very thankful for that) and 3. Is one of the best turn based games ever AND got people into turn based games (those who didn't like it before ).

You may think 4 is enuff but many people think other wise. I say 7-6 is a good number as long as they are unique and fun to play . . . .