PKAY FIAH! ~ Ness MU Discussion [INDEX PAGE + Various Discussions]

[oOTjayOo]

How are you going to bash Rob offstage? He has stupid range on his gtfo moves and only good move against Rob is usually fair. Also, if Rob doesn't approach and Ness tries to use a projectile, we shoot a laser to interrupt it. So if we have an advantage, we can just stand there. Also Ness has no ground game in this MU, all of them are either too slow or don't have range, forcing Ness to air, which isn't a big problem since Ness is really good in the air, but I just find Rob's options to be able to intercept Ness very well. Well I think the MU is actually Ness's advantage on Brinstar (Correct me if this is only good stage for Lucas) or Delfino, but on most stages, it's 60-40 and Rob's will ban those stages whenever possible.

The "gtfo" moves are slow.
Psi magnets absorb the lazor
we can jsut approch from the air with pk fire or anything liek that.
Ness doesnt need his ground game vs rob
Robs options are all slower than fair amirite.
Rising Fair Falling fairs retreating fairs all that. rob doesnt seem to be a huge problem.
Ness can use his Gyro well also with his second jumps and aireals.

btw pk thunder while robs offstage.

 

[Yink]

The "gtfo" moves are slow.
Psi magnets absorb the lazor
we can jsut approch from the air with pk fire or anything liek that.
Ness doesnt need his ground game vs rob
Robs options are all slower than fair amirite.
Rising Fair Falling fairs retreating fairs all that. rob doesnt seem to be a huge problem.
Ness can use his Gyro well also with his second jumps and aireals.

btw pk thunder while robs offstage.

I'd actually be a little careful if I were you with with Gyro. It can do some damage to you offstage, like rid you of PKT all together. I also wouldn't mess with ROB offstage much, PKT isn't a good idea. A good ROB is quite hard to gimp because of his long recovery.

But yes, Magnet will absorb the laser (not much but you do get some heal back). Watch for dsmash and throws though.

 

[Kole]

No 30-70 Matchups are you kidding me?

so far...

Did you even bother to read the OP?

"THIS INFORMATION IS OLD. We will be redoing each matchup for more accurate ratios, updated techniques, etc."

 

[_clinton]

ROBs laser use and how well you can deal with it depends on how well you can predict the ROB player IMO, so I could see you bugging him a bit off stage with PK Thunder, but not much.

The threat of you absorbing it though does work in your favor IMO as far as restricting use goes if played right (and the big laser gives a good % back to you at the least if you can absorb it).

 

[P.I.E.]

whats the best way to handle an airborne luigi? ( the best i can think of is projectiles and nair)

 

[Jiffyboob]

Wait for him to land honestly. =o

 

[milesg2g]

whats the best way to handle an airborne luigi? ( the best i can think of is projectiles and nair)

outspacing.

 

[Eagleye893]

Retreating fair spam and well placed aerial pkfires and OoS everything...

 

[Yink]

New discussion is up. We're discussing Zelda.

 

[oOTjayOo]

saving for other thread

 

[milesg2g]

New discussion is up. We're discussing Zelda.

lol what's there to say about Zelda?


I mean seriously

"Don't play her in lag" is my only advice lol

 

[Bartolon]

Falco pleaseee

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Get grabbed.

 

[Eagleye893]

Get PKT2'd at an early percent
Get dtilt trip > f/uthrown...
Get dtilt trip > fsmashd
Get aerial pwnd......

 

[MaskedAvnger]

Hey there Ness boards,

We're rediscussing the Ness/Toon Link matchup over at the Toon link boards, any input would be appreciated.

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=276273

Thanks!

 

[Meru.]

Well hello, my big-headed friends, you have been invited to Peach's rediscussion party right here

Cya!

 

[Yink]

Done and Done.

 

[Bartolon]

The link mains are discussing about ness atm, and they would like to have some input in that MU.

http://allisbrawl.com/forum/topic.aspx?pid=1516153#p1516153

 

[Yink]

I'll go to the Link chat.

 

[Magik0722]

The squirtle and charizard matchups seem pretty wrong to me

2:8 vs squirtle
3:7 vs charizard

 

[Bartolon]

Bad troll = a bad troll

 

[Kole]

edit: ninja'd by bart

 

[Chuee]

lol he's not trolling.
PT ***** Ness.

 

[Magik0722]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aS2ooJYY_a0

 

[Bartolon]

SmashDI + He doesn't even space well lmao

 

[Ayoub]

I think that Ness never heard of Fullhops, and how can you DI squirtle's throw so bad, (lol²ndstock).

 

[Yikarur]

bad Ness is bad, I should post a vid where I **** someone bad and display that as a 90:10 Match-up.

 

[Magik0722]

That video is the only decent PT vs Ness on youtube.

The matchup is bad because of the chaingrabs, water gun, and squirtle able to match ness's air game.

 

[Bartolon]

Water gun isn't even a big factor in this MU.
A good ness won't get hit by water xD

Meh he can match ness his airgame but we have fair =)

 

[Magik0722]

It limits your recovery options and if ness no longer has a double jump it makes it almost impossible to recover

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1ivy-BZ4zw#t=1m7s

 

[Bartolon]

Learn 2 read.

Water gun isn't even a big factor in this MU.
A good ness won't get hit by water xD

A ness always keeps his 2nd jump for recovering, your turn

 

[Chuee]

He'll get hit by water gun offstage.
Squirtle also juggles Ness really well with utilt and Uair.
EDIT: Which is why he hits you out of your DJ.

 

[Magik0722]

Wait so you never have to use your second jump to recover?

The best option ness has is to recover extremely high or usign a rising fair at the ledge, which is sheild grabblable, and after the grab air release you have no other option than to use upb.

Recovering from a high distance isnt desireable either as you will have lag afterwards when landing, which will most of the time lead to Ness being offstage again.

 

[Bartolon]

Dude... did you even read what I said..?

We can stall with psi magnet, change direction with psi magnet, recover LOW, Recover high if it's necessary..

Recovering isn't too hard vs squirtle as it is vs Mario for example.

 

[DtJ Jungle]

The squirtle and charizard matchups seem pretty wrong to me

2:8 vs squirtle
3:7 vs charizard

two thumbs up for this guy!~

 

[Yink]

Sorry, I don't see how the MU is 20:80, and if you didn't see the front page the information and chart is old, how about you come back when we talk more about the PT and his individual Pokes. I could see how this match-up might be 30:70, but surely it's not as low as 20:80.

 

[Magik0722]

Watergun isnt the only way to gimp ness, if you are being force to recover that low and stall with psy magnet, and offstage fair makes it even more difficult

 

[Chuee]

Stall with magnet?
Water gun.
Recover low?
Shield Fair and Fair OoS.
Recover high?
Get juggled on your way down.

 

[Bartolon]

We got dair SON

Chuee your soooooo boh

 

[Magik0722]

Sorry, I don't see how the MU is 20:80, and if you didn't see the front page the information and chart is old, how about you come back when we talk more about the PT and his individual Pokes. I could see how this match-up might be 30:70, but surely it's not as low as 20:80.

I know this information was old, which is why i offered my ratios. I thought by the title of this thread "Various Discussions" meant i could come in and offer my opinion.